Wdw Needs Another Moderate Resort!

[CAJUNWDWFAN]

Walt Disney World needs another moderate resort!

I think there is enough deluxe rooms.
And all the new value resorts that have been build in recent years.

There is only 4 moderate resorts to choose from.

Build another!

What theme would you make it?

Oriental theme, Western theme (cowboy ranch)

 

[Ladyhawke10]

I've posted this before...but my favorite theme for a moderate is an Americana theme....like the Sleepy Hollow, American legends theme (babe the blue ox, johnny appleseed, icabod crane, colonial Mickey and Minnie). They have that Disney video American legends and they've never really done anything like that in a resort so far.

My other favorite idea is continuing the blizzard beach theme in a moderate, and have the pool inside an iceberg...there are plenty of Disney movies follow the snow theme, particularly doing a winter Paris type theme, as in Beauty in the Beast and the Aristocats.

 

[ducklite]

They will build another only if and when they have the need for more rooms in that price range. Considering that they seldom sell out what thye've got, I don't see that happening any time soon.

In all honesty, the one thing that they are missing that they would likely do well with is a boutique style ultra high-end luxury resort. Under 200 rooms and suites, all concierge with butler service. Keep it small to keep it filled.

They are losing guests to the high end resorts like the Ritz Carlton, W, Gaylord, and Peabody, and there are no boutique high end hotels in the entire area.

Anne

 

[Lewisc]

Anne--Dinsey thinks they've done that with the main concierge building at GF and to some extent with the concierge longhouse at the POLY. I think you're probably looking for a hotel with less non hotel guests taxing the facilities.

I think Disney needs value suite hotels. Take the philosophy of the value resorts, cinder block, simple theming but add a second room with a sofa bed and mini kitchen. Take care of the families who need to sleep 5 or 6 and want to do some cooking. Disney originally did this with FW and even the Disney Village.

Remember Disney just added 2,000 moderate rooms with CSR. The value and moderate hotels tend to have more rooms than the deluxe hotels.

 

[WDW LifeLong Fan]

I've posted this before...but my favorite theme for a moderate is an Americana theme....like the Sleepy Hollow, American legends theme (babe the blue ox, johnny appleseed, icabod crane, colonial Mickey and Minnie). They have that Disney video American legends and they've never really done anything like that in a resort so far.

I like this idea!!!

 

[ducklite]

Anne--Dinsey thinks they've done that with the main concierge building at GF and to some extent with the concierge longhouse at the POLY. I think you're probably looking for a hotel with less non hotel guests taxing the facilities.

I haven't stayed at the GF RPC yet, but I highly doubt if that is the level of service I'm looking for. And yes, it would be kept exclusive, where if you weren't a guest or didn't have a confirmed PS for dinner you wouldn't be allowed to just wander the grounds to "check it out".

I think Disney needs value suite hotels. Take the philosophy of the value resorts, cinder block, simple theming but add a second room with a sofa bed and mini kitchen. Take care of the families who need to sleep 5 or 6 and want to do some cooking. Disney originally did this with FW and even the Disney Village.

I somewhat like the idea of a value with junior suites, but not cooking facilities other than a mini-fridge and coffee-maker. I'll tell you why. In the big picture, WDW expects it's guests to consume $"X" of food. That consumption has an effect on room costs. If you take food consumption out of the picture, you've lost profit, and they'd have to charge more than $200% of the current cost of two rooms for one. I don't think people looking for budget accomodations would be willing to pay for this.

Also, because you can rent points for a DVC 1BR for the same price as two non-discounted value rooms, and there's a healthy market of rentals, there's just not any incentive there for WDW to build this type of accomodation.

What perhaps they need more of are connecting rooms with a king and two doubles which can be booked on a guarantee basis. Also rooms with a double and bunkbeds for a small additional fee at the value and moderates.

Anne

 

[Grumpy's Wife]

If they ever build another mod. resort I hope it can accomodate a family of 5.

 

[NCombs]

If they ever build another mod. resort I hope it can accomodate a family of 5.

Exactly what I was going to post. Our choices are POR (which was great) and Deluxe.

 

[NCombs]

Exactly what I was going to post. Our choices are POR (which was great) and Deluxe.

AND we still can't stay in the more moderately priced Deluxe rooms at AK and WL.

 

[pixie08]

Although I think we would all like to see new hotels in ANY category I think the only new ones Disney will be building is DVC!!!! They seem to be doing REALLY well with this and it gaurantees people in their parks!

 

[Lewisc]

I haven't stayed at the GF RPC yet, but I highly doubt if that is the level of service I'm looking for. And yes, it would be kept exclusive, where if you weren't a guest or didn't have a confirmed PS for dinner you wouldn't be allowed to just wander the grounds to "check it out".

Probably doesn't, but I suspect Disney thinks it fills that niche. There was speculation about building some type of exclusive resort on Discovery Island.

I somewhat like the idea of a value with junior suites, but not cooking facilities other than a mini-fridge and coffee-maker. I'll tell you why. In the big picture, WDW expects it's guests to consume $"X" of food. That consumption has an effect on room costs. If you take food consumption out of the picture, you've lost profit, and they'd have to charge more than $200% of the current cost of two rooms for one. I don't think people looking for budget accommodations would be willing to pay for this.

Also, because you can rent points for a DVC 1BR for the same price as two non-discounted value rooms, and there's a healthy market of rentals, there's just not any incentive there for WDW to build this type of accommodations.


Anne

A DVC 1BR only sleeps 4. Rent points for a weekend and you'll pay a lot more than two value rooms, even during the week the numbers don't work. Guests renting points don't produce and room rental income directly to Disney.

Read all the threads with people using coolers as refrigerators, mug abuse and families with 3 and 4 children. Give those value customers a legitimate way to handle their needs. Maybe add a microwave but not a full stove.

I understand Disney would like to also make money on food but they are giving away coffee makers and refrigerators in the deluxe and moderates. Disney is trying to accommodate guests who aren't going to be eating exclusively in Disney restaurants. I think MYW dining will more than fill the restaurants. The guests might just wind up spending their food budget on a few character meals and breakfast in the room as opposed to just eating in the food courts.

Disney has an entire section of POP to build. It'd be nice if they tried something more creative. Just don't build so many that guests think they have a shot of a free upgrade. HIFS found a niche for itself.

 

[ReninDetroit]

I agree with both Anne and Lewis.

I think they would do tremendously well with something in the style of the Beach Club Villas, but with a cheaper price. Something like the TownePlace Suites: http://marriott.com/towneplace/default.mi?WT_Ref=mi_left

I also think they would make some serious money with a boutique hotel. I think one of the reasons they're losing customers to the offsite high end hotels is because some of the luxury hotels are so big they're almost unmanageable. And the Ritz-Carlton, etc. are actually slightly cheaper. The GF, AKL, etc. are all REALLY big and some people want a smaller feel with more personalized service. Also, some people come and want to escape the kids. Hard to do at WDW but like Victoria and Alberts in a hotel.

 

[mommykds]

If they ever build another mod. resort I hope it can accomodate a family of 5.

I have to agree...For a "family" vacation resort, they don't seem to accommodate larger (& is 3 kids really a large family anyway?) families who do not want to go deluxe. All they have is the POR right now.

I'd love to see a value or moderate that sleeps 5-6.

 

[Ladyhawke10]

They will build another only if and when they have the need for more rooms in that price range. Considering that they seldom sell out what thye've got, I don't see that happening any time soon.

In all honesty, the one thing that they are missing that they would likely do well with is a boutique style ultra high-end luxury resort. Under 200 rooms and suites, all concierge with butler service. Keep it small to keep it filled.

They are losing guests to the high end resorts like the Ritz Carlton, W, Gaylord, and Peabody, and there are no boutique high end hotels in the entire area.

Anne

I would love this as well! As a luxury hotel addict, admittedly the Poly seems like a big change from the Lodge at Koele or Manele Bay Hotel on Lanai...and comparably priced! I love all the entertainment WDW has to offer, but an exclusive deluxe would be amazing...something to plan your anniversary stay within.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I'd like to see something between a mod and a deluxe that could sleep 5-6. Something like the family suites thing. I would still go for the deluxes because I like the amenities but if I was designing a new hotel, it would be a mini suite with 2 queen beds, sleep sofa, fridge, microwave and coffee maker. I would make the grounds as attractive as POR, themed pool and food court. If possible I would find a way to make a transportation other than solely buses (like the boat to DTD from POR). I think Disney would pull in a lot of people who go offsite because they can't afford deluxes and have 5-6 in their families.

 

[ducklite]

I'd like to see something between a mod and a deluxe that could sleep 5-6. Something like the family suites thing. I would still go for the deluxes because I like the amenities but if I was designing a new hotel, it would be a mini suite with 2 queen beds, sleep sofa, fridge, microwave and coffee maker. I would make the grounds as attractive as POR, themed pool and food court. If possible I would find a way to make a transportation other than solely buses (like the boat to DTD from POR). I think Disney would pull in a lot of people who go offsite because they can't afford deluxes and have 5-6 in their families.

So what you're asking for is basically a deluxe with exterior hallways? Isn't that what OKW is?

The problem with all these ideas is that they aren't going to build something which will cannabalize all the existing resorts. If they built something like that they'd have to charge as much if not more than a deluxe for it based on the amount of square footage and the extra bodies needing transportation and using the pools, etc.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

IMHO they'd be better off changing the next round of DVC rooms to offer a dedicated 1BR's with a queen and bunk beds in the master BR, and a sleeper sofa in the living room. That would likely be an incentive for many to buy.

Can't CHANGE DVC after the POS has been filed, so do'nt get any ideas on that.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

I was talking to my husband about this, and his suggestion is that they build rooms at a value that are about 100sf larger than the current rooms, and add a sleeper sofa. They could charge about 175% of the rate for a current regular room--saving money over getting two rooms, but sleeping six.

He also brought up a good point about allowing any cooking facilities. They'd have to change the entire electrical service to be able to run coffee makers, fridges, and microwaves at the same time, which would dramatically increase construction costs. Also, they'd need to build heat resistant surfaces and add fire extinguishers, plus additional ventilation. So creating cooking facilities would add so much to construction costs, that they'd have to add that to room rates, thus making it prohibitive.

Anne

 

[Lewisc]

He also brought up a good point about allowing any cooking facilities. They'd have to change the entire electrical service to be able to run coffee makers, fridges, and microwaves at the same time, which would dramatically increase construction costs. Also, they'd need to build heat resistant surfaces and add fire extinguishers, plus additional ventilation. So creating cooking facilities would add so much to construction costs, that they'd have to add that to room rates, thus making it prohibitive.

Anne

Disney is adding coffee makers and fridges to the moderates and deluxe resorts. Guests in the value resorts can rent fridges from Disney. I'd say the existing electrical service is adequate. Worse case Disney may have to go with the micro-fridge that are used in college dorm rooms as well as hotels that are adding mini-kitchens. The units have a relay that turns off the refrigerator compressor when the microwave is on. What kind of heat resistant surface is Disney adding when guests receive a coffee pot? Adding a heat resistant counter and fire extingisher really wouldn't add much to the cost.

I agree with your first post, Disney doesn't want to discourage food court sales.

I was thinking of increasing the room size by 50% and increasing the rates by about 50% but limiting the number of rooms, free upgrades and discounts applicable to the rooms. I'd think the extra sink, refrig,coffee pot and microwave shouldn't cost more than 50% of the cost of what would be a second bathroom if we were looking a two rooms.

Disney still has half of POP to build.

I wouldn't be looking to stay in this type of room. Based on of the posts in this board it sounds like there is some demand. The question is if these guests would be willing to pay for what they're asking for.

 

[ducklite]

Unless I'm mistaken, the buildings at Pop have already been built as far as the block goes. Once that's done you can't really change the floorplan.

Anne