WDW -Disability Access Service (DAS) - ARCHIVED THREAD; no longer vslid

[WantToGoNow]

Curious as to which company u used? I had the same issue, but they corrected it quickly

Buena Vista Scooters

 

[cmwade77]

I wasn't aware the FP line for BTMMR wasn't accessible if you're using a mobility device? Guess seeing as I have a chair it would be pointless me booking a FP+ for it then haha?

That is a good question, my understanding is that if you have a FP or FP+ for an attraction, that you would not need a return time for that attraction.

 

[DaisyD]

That is a good question, my understanding is that if you have a FP or FP+ for an attraction, that you would not need a return time for that attraction.

When we were there last week you had return times on FP and FP+. Only the DAS gives you leeway with no return time.

 

[mistysue]

I have the same problem with me son but a portable devices doesn't work. It makes him more hyper

I'm so sorry. Portable devices have become my lifeline. I would go crazy if all the little books and games didn't keep my kids busy.

 

[cmwade77]

When we were there last week you had return times on FP and FP+. Only the DAS gives you leeway with no return time.

Yes, you would still need to return within your window, but my point was that even if you needed the accessible entrance, you are still supposed to be able to use FP/FP+ under the new system and not need to wait for a return time, as you have already waited the same as everyone else.

 

[DaisyD]

Yes, you would still need to return within your window, but my point was that even if you needed the accessible entrance, you are still supposed to be able to use FP/FP+ under the new system and not need to wait for a return time, as you have already waited the same as everyone else.

Ok, I guess I'm not understanding. Last week we had FP and FP+ along with our DAS and still had to return at a certain time or couldn't use it. We were 10 min late for Soaring using our FP+ and couldn't get in. I think I see what you are saying now. LOL IDK it's late and I'm sleep deprived.

 

[disney david]

Ok, I guess I'm not understanding. Last week we had FP and FP+ along with our DAS and still had to return at a certain time or couldn't use it. We were 10 min late for Soaring using our FP+ and couldn't get in. I think I see what you are saying now. LOL IDK it's late and I'm sleep deprived.

i think what cmwade77 is saying is if you have a fast pass and have a wheelchair and need the accessible and the fast pass is for lets 1-2. ANd you arrive at 110 will they allow you in the fast pass line or will they still give you a return time ticket to wait for the accesible car. which will mean more waiting i think that what cmwade means and sorry if i misunderstood it.

 

[samnbilly]

Buena Vista Scooters

I had Apple Scooters.

I did see quite a few (especially elderly) using the canopy with their scooter. It's hard to find shade @ times. I did see where you could order it online.

 

[SueM in MN]

i think what cmwade77 is saying is if you have a fast pass and have a wheelchair and need the accessible and the fast pass is for lets 1-2. ANd you arrive at 110 will they allow you in the fast pass line or will they still give you a return time ticket to wait for the accesible car. which will mean more waiting i think that what cmwade means and sorry if i misunderstood it.

Sort of, but not quite.
DaisyD was talking about Soarin' which is a Mainstream Line (accessible thru the main line). So, there is no extra wait on Soarin' for an accessible line/ride car.
DaisyD got there 10 minutes after the Fastpass window expired, and they would not let her use the Fastpass.

Using Fastpass or Fastpass Plus, there is a 1 hour window to return. So, you have to be there within the window or not be able to use it.
With a DAS Return Time, there is not a one hour window to use it. You can return at any time after the return time.

If you are using Fastpass, Fastpass Plus or a DAS and need an accessible ride car, there is no separate return time ticket because you already waited your time. You would just come into the Fastpass line.

 

[aubriee]

I was just reading on one of the FP+ threads where people are complaining about offsite guests not being able to get FP+, FP-s running out sooner, and offsite guests having to stand in longer lines. One of the posters said point blank that he planned on getting a DAS for each of his six family members and had no problem lying to get them. He basically said he felt sorry for the people that actually need a DAS, but no way was his family standing in those long lines and he felt no guilt whatsoever about getting one for each of his party, so they could repeatedly use them through out the day. I guess he already has his lies made up as to why each member of his party can't stand in line and will lie and say they won't all be going on the same ride at the same time, so need six DAS. Apparently he plans to have six return times active at all times (one for each DAS). He justified it by basically saying WDW gave him no choice but to cheat the system, when they wouldn't allow them to use FP+. What got me is he point blank said he knew it was wrong, but still had no guilt doing it. With so many people unhappy about FP+ not being available to offsite guests and unhappy about the three FP+ limit, I just wonder how many other people might be planning on abusing the DAS system? I sure hope those CMs ask some very indepth questions if a party of six each need a DAS. Of course they can still lie and that poster already admitted he was planned on doing so.

My mom will be with us in Dec and I think she would probably actually qualify for a DAS (due to her many medical problems), but we had not planned on getting her one, because we figured she could get by with just using an ECV, keeping her out of the sun as much as possible, and shorter park days. We figured there were other people that needed them worse, then I read about this jerk, who doesn't need one at all, but openly admits he has every intention of lying, trying to get six different ones.

 

[KPeveler]

I was just reading on one of the FP+ threads where people are complaining about offsite guests not being able to get FP+, FP-s running out sooner, and offsite guests having to stand in longer lines. One of the posters said point blank that he planned on getting a DAS for each of his six family members and had no problem lying to get them. He basically said he felt sorry for the people that actually need a DAS, but no way was his family standing in those long lines and he felt no guilt whatsoever about getting one for each of his party, so they could repeatedly use them through out the day. I guess he already has his lies made up as to why each member of his party can't stand in line and will lie and say they won't all be going on the same ride at the same time, so need six DAS. Apparently he plans to have six return times active at all times (one for each DAS). He justified it by basically WDW gave him no choice but to cheat the system, when they wouldn't allow them to use FP+. What got me is he point blank said he knew it was wrong, but still had no guilt doing it. With so many people unhappy about FP+ not being available to offsite guests and unhappy about the three FP+ limit, I just wonder how many other people might be planning on abusing the DAS system? I sure hope those CMs ask some very indepth questions if a party of six each need a DAS. Of course they can still lie and that poster already admitted he was planned on doing so.

My mom will be with us in Dec and I think she would probably actually qualify for a DAS (due to her many medical problems), but we had not planned on getting her one, because we figured she could get by with just using an ECV, keeping her out of the sun as much as possible, and shorter park days. We figured there were other people that needed them worse, then I read about this jerk, who doesn't need one at all, but openly admits he has every intention of lying, trying to get six different ones.

I worry too about what will happen. Disney answer to so many things is to just wait for FP+, but we do not even know if my resort (my family is military and stays at SOG - other resorts are almost never an option) will have FP+.

Unfortunately, especially with the internet, it is very easy to find out how to lie to get a DAS, which makes things worse for those of us who do need one. And it makes families, who actually do have multiple family members with needs, look bad.

I hope Disney is ready for the craziness - I will be there in January, so I will get to see what it is like as compared to DL.

 

[disney david]

Sort of, but not quite.
DaisyD was talking about Soarin' which is a Mainstream Line (accessible thru the main line). So, there is no extra wait on Soarin' for an accessible line/ride car.
DaisyD got there 10 minutes after the Fastpass window expired, and they would not let her use the Fastpass.

Using Fastpass or Fastpass Plus, there is a 1 hour window to return. So, you have to be there within the window or not be able to use it.
With a DAS Return Time, there is not a one hour window to use it. You can return at any time after the return time.

If you are using Fastpass, Fastpass Plus or a DAS and need an accessible ride car, there is no separate return time ticket because you already waited your time. You would just come into the Fastpass line.

Okay thanks so I misunderstood I thought cmwade77 was asking in general not for a specific attraction.

 

[infopurposesonly]

I worry too about what will happen. Disney answer to so many things is to just wait for FP+, but we do not even know if my resort (my family is military and stays at SOG - other resorts are almost never an option) will have FP+.

Unfortunately, especially with the internet, it is very easy to find out how to lie to get a DAS, which makes things worse for those of us who do need one. And it makes families, who actually do have multiple family members with needs, look bad.

I hope Disney is ready for the craziness - I will be there in January, so I will get to see what it is like as compared to DL.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.

 

[delmar411]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.

We did not have to have everyone with us. We have 4 kids so 6 in the family but I mostly visit the parks with the 3 little kids. I got the card for 6 though because I did not want to have to wait in line at GR again if we all went to the parks together. N they had no issue with that.

Of course we only have 1 person needing the card in our family so that probably makes a difference.

 

[SueM in MN]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.

We did not have to have everyone with us. We have 4 kids so 6 in the family but I mostly visit the parks with the 3 little kids. I got the card for 6 though because I did not want to have to wait in line at GR again if we all went to the parks together. N they had no issue with that.

Of course we only have 1 person needing the card in our family so that probably makes a difference.

If it is 6 or less, you don't need to all be present, only the person who is requesting the DAS card ( or a person who will ask for them, if they are not able to speak).

Requests for a DAS for more than 6 require a Supervisor to approve and they will ask more questions about your party.
If the total number is more than 6, everyone in the party needs to be present when the DAS is requested.

 

[lovethattink]

That kind of abuse of the system is sickening. I wish there was some kind of safeguard against that kind of abuse.

It is true that FP are gone earlier and standby lines are longer. We stayed offsite for the 2nd time since DAS started. The most attractions we were able to hit in a day was 2, since standby isn't an option.

On Friday, DS needed his DAS renewed, but the queue to get into GS at Epcot was too long and in the sun at 4pm, so we ate at Sunshine Seasons and walked around. By 7pm the queue was not in the sun and was still lined up out the door. Got his DAS renewed. He was beat, so headed home.

Saturday was our Sea World day. Got one attraction in there, the new penguin one (110 minute wait for the non-rider) and trick or treating. Then headed back to the motel.

Sunday was our MNSSHP. Went on Buzz and the speedway before the party started. Then focused on the party.

Monday was back to Epcot. No rides at all. Did 2 countries of Agent P and a few Kidcot stops. Spent a nice amount of time up in the Chase Lounge.

With GAC the most attractions we were able to do in a day averaged 4 rides. So DAS has halfed that. And for him there's no coasters, no simulators, no TSM, no tea cups, etc.

If we did not have annual passes and did not live so close to the parks, it would be a waste of money for us to go. Being nearby and having the annual pass allows us the opportunity to go frequently and enjoy what we can do. We are stopping and smelling the roses. Doing and seeing things that are not rides.

 

[cmwade77]

Ok, I guess I'm not understanding. Last week we had FP and FP+ along with our DAS and still had to return at a certain time or couldn't use it. We were 10 min late for Soaring using our FP+ and couldn't get in. I think I see what you are saying now. LOL IDK it's late and I'm sleep deprived.

Ok, what I am saying is of you do not have a FP or FP+, but have a DAS card, they will give you a Return Time equal to the wait of the standby line. You will not be able to ride until that time or later.

If you have a FP or FP+ and you return within your window, they will send you straight to the accessible entrance, you will not need to wait for the length of the standby line. But you must still return within your hour window with FP or FP+.

But, If you just get a return time on your DAS, you have until the park closes to return, although you do have to wait until the length of the standby line had passed.

 

[cmwade77]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.

You only need the entire party with you if your party is larger than 6 people.

But then the question comes up what happens when more than one person in that group truly needs a DAS? Obviously that leaves potential for abuse, but chances are with that large of a group that there will be times where one of the people that needs the DAS will not be riding a certain attraction and the other will. And there is a strong chance that more than one person will need a DAS.

Even when it's just my wife and I going, we each need a DAS. At WDW this won't be too much of an issue, as there is nothing my wife will go on that I won't and we won't split up, except av handful of rides that I will go on that she won't, but she will just wait for me. So I would just get the DAS.

But we live near Disneyland and she will sometimes go when I am at work. So, b she needs her own and there are times when I go without her abs rides that I will go on that she won't, so I need my own. Now, we are ones that try to follow the rules, but there is the potential for abuse there as well, as there is nothing stopoing us from both getting return times.Even though we try to follow the rules, We have accidentally had this happen when meeting in the parks and I needed to get my DAS or renew it, as they offered to put the first return time on my DASv when I got it. In both cases, we never used my return times. But the point is that even if you are not trying to abuse the system, it is possible to accidentally get the return times on multiple cards when multiple people in the same party need them. I do not know what the answer is to solve this problem, as you can't just say multiple people in the same party can't get a DAS, as there are legitimate reasons that multiple people in the same party may need a DAS. Now obviously the simple solution is for those of us who follow the rules is if you do accidentally both get return times to self police it. But there will be those who don't follow the rules and will exploit this. Unfortunately, I have no ideas for a solution to this one.

 

[WheeledTraveler]

But then the question comes up what happens when more than one person in that group truly needs a DAS? Obviously that leaves potential for abuse, but chances are with that large of a group that there will be times where one of the people that needs the DAS will not be riding a certain attraction and the other will. And there is a strong chance that more than one person will need a DAS.

Even when it's just my wife and I going, we each need a DAS. At WDW this won't be too much of an issue, as there is nothing my wife will go on that I won't and we won't split up, except av handful of rides that I will go on that she won't, but she will just wait for me. So I would just get the DAS.

But we live near Disneyland and she will sometimes go when I am at work. So, b she needs her own and there are times when I go without her abs rides that I will go on that she won't, so I need my own. Now, we are ones that try to follow the rules, but there is the potential for abuse there as well, as there is nothing stopoing us from both getting return times.Even though we try to follow the rules, We have accidentally had this happen when meeting in the parks and I needed to get my DAS or renew it, as they offered to put the first return time on my DASv when I got it. In both cases, we never used my return times. But the point is that even if you are not trying to abuse the system, it is possible to accidentally get the return times on multiple cards when multiple people in the same party need them. I do not know what the answer is to solve this problem, as you can't just say multiple people in the same party can't get a DAS, as there are legitimate reasons that multiple people in the same party may need a DAS. Now obviously the simple solution is for those of us who follow the rules is if you do accidentally both get return times to self police it. But there will be those who don't follow the rules and will exploit this. Unfortunately, I have no ideas for a solution to this one.

I'm not sure that if there are multiple legitimate DAS holders in one group that it is actually breaking any rules by having a different ride with return time on each pass. The pass is specific to the holder, not the group. It's not with the spirit of the change to DAS, but I can't see anything in it that breaks a rule. There's always the possibility that a group may decide later to split up or someone changed their mind before the DAS times come up. It is, as far as I can tell, the main reason someone might choose to lie to obtain a DAS since most of the rest of the perceived GAC "benefits" are gone. I think it would be easier to abuse at WDW than at DL because of the kiosk system at DL. It'll be more awkward and more likely to get questioned when two group members are asking for return times for 2 different rides at the same time at a kiosk.

I also tend to think that the guy who says he's going lie to get 6 DAS, one for each family member, will have a harder time than he thinks. We've already heard reports here about people having issues getting them due to either misunderstandings of needs or misunderstandings of what qualifies. I'm hard pressed to figure out how one could lie to get 6 DAS issued for one group at one time without raising red flags for the CMs.

I do also wonder if this is something they will be able to monitor more eventually with the RFID implementation. It still becomes tricky because groups can decide to split up after they get the return time and it wouldn't be fair to the second holder to have to wait through the time for a ride they aren't riding, but I'd think it would at least be easier to link DAS if it starts being something handled more by RFID than actual people.

It also sounds like the abuse it something that WDW could do if they figured out how to modify FP+ to have it work for folks staying offsite as well as onsite. I understand that they want to encourage folks to pay Disney the money to stay onsite, but they could potentially lose some visitors since there isn't enough on-property housing to fill the parks. Something in my memory says that FP was originally only available to folks staying onsite so hopefully FP+ will follow with offsite eventually like FP did. Obviously it's harder to manage with FP+, but I'm sure Disney could come up with a way to make it work.

 

[SueM in MN]

I'm not sure that if there are multiple legitimate DAS holders in one group that it is actually breaking any rules by having a different ride with return time on each pass. The pass is specific to the holder, not the group. It's not with the spirit of the change to DAS, but I can't see anything in it that breaks a rule. There's always the possibility that a group may decide later to split up or someone changed their mind before the DAS times come up. It is, as far as I can tell, the main reason someone might choose to lie to obtain a DAS since most of the rest of the perceived GAC "benefits" are gone. I think it would be easier to abuse at WDW than at DL because of the kiosk system at DL. It'll be more awkward and more likely to get questioned when two group members are asking for return times for 2 different rides at the same time at a kiosk.

I also tend to think that the guy who says he's going lie to get 6 DAS, one for each family member, will have a harder time than he thinks. We've already heard reports here about people having issues getting them due to either misunderstandings of needs or misunderstandings of what qualifies. I'm hard pressed to figure out how one could lie to get 6 DAS issued for one group at one time without raising red flags for the CMs.

I do also wonder if this is something they will be able to monitor more eventually with the RFID implementation. It still becomes tricky because groups can decide to split up after they get the return time and it wouldn't be fair to the second holder to have to wait through the time for a ride they aren't riding, but I'd think it would at least be easier to link DAS if it starts being something handled more by RFID than actual people.

It also sounds like the abuse it something that WDW could do if they figured out how to modify FP+ to have it work for folks staying offsite as well as onsite. I understand that they want to encourage folks to pay Disney the money to stay onsite, but they could potentially lose some visitors since there isn't enough on-property housing to fill the parks. Something in my memory says that FP was originally only available to folks staying onsite so hopefully FP+ will follow with offsite eventually like FP did. Obviously it's harder to manage with FP+, but I'm sure Disney could come up with a way to make it work.

Disney has said that eventually Fastpass Plus will be for all guests, not just those staying on site.
During the test phase, it is just resort guests.

A number of people have also been told that eventually DAS will be connected with their Magicbands. I would classify that as a pretty high possibility rumor