WDiW to spend 15 million dollars on Disney Transportation

[Aintdisablast]

And Aintdisablast, Last I checked, The DVC places had their own pools. So what you're really saying is that Disney didn't create pools at the DVC resorts good enough to keep the customers happy. The customers had different expectations that weren't fullfilled. And now instead of fixing the pools, they're restricting a 25 year old tradition.

I'd like to see some stats on locals using the pools. WDW isn't exactly in the middle of a bustling suburb. It takes some work to get there.

Don't go putting words in my mouth, that's not at all what I'm saying.

DVC resorts that were built as stand-alone resorts - OKW,BWV,SSR,VB & HHI have great theme pools as well as quiet pools. BCV & VWL were add-on resorts with limited capacity.Because of the close proximity to the theme pools of BC and WL ( the farthest room at BCV or VWL from the theme pool is still WAY closer then the farthest rooms at the other resorts) and the additional dues expense to BCV and VWL owners to maintain their own seperate theme pool - lifeguards being a major expense - it simply made more sense to use the existing resort pools and share the expense.

As for local abuse stats: I'm sure none exists although I'm absolutely certain it happens because I've had conversations with these abusers at SAB. When we discuss safety issues in the parks, we always agree that one incident is one too many, you never stop trying to improve your safety standards. Even though the consequences of locals using pools cannot compare to a safety issue, the "one is one too many" standards still needs to apply.
If ONE Disney resort guest is denied a pool lounger or turned away because the pool is at capacity or inconvienced in any way because of a freeloader, then something must be done to correct the problem.

As for your last point..... it's no more difficult for a local to pack up a day trips worth of stuff and head over to SAB then it is for them to drive to any other public facility. Personnally, I think the abuse is more a product of the Boardwalk Entertainment area and the exchange of info over the internet. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how easy it is to park for free at an Epcot resort, spend the day at SAB, shower & change in resort pool house and spend the evening at Jelly Rolls. Disney may have made a couple bucks at Jelly Rolls, but it can never be enough to justify a resort guest not getting what they paid for.

 

[DisneyKidds]

And Aintdisablast, Last I checked, The DVC places had their own pools. So what you're really saying is that Disney didn't create pools at the DVC resorts good enough to keep the customers happy. The customers had different expectations that weren't fullfilled. And now instead of fixing the pools, they're restricting a 25 year old tradition.

Hate to say this Yoho, but you're all wet on this pool hopping issue.....especially as it pertains to SAB.

As for DVC, it was always intended that DVC would have full use of SAB, in fact it was a selling point. The pool over by the Villas was never intended to be used exclusively by members, nor keep members from using SAB. Yes, the BCV did add to the number of people using SAB, but that was reasonably expected.

As for why pool hopping isn't what it used to be, throughout WDW for all guests, it isn't due to DVC, or locals abuse, so much as it is about WDW resort growth, IMHO. Back in the days when there were only a handful of resorts, and most of those resorts had very nice pools, people could pool hop but most likely rarely found the need to. Yes, some would be drawn to a complex like SAB, and that combined with locals using the facility made than location more problematic than others, but by in large people could pool hop, but how much did they really?

Enter the resort explosion. More moderates (although they for the most part had pretty nice pools) and then all the Values.

You have just increased the number of WDW guests exponentially, and that creates an awful lot more potential pool hoppers. Add to that the fact that the Value resorts didn't have pools anything close to the deluxes, and I can see why pool hopping in general became something that had to be curtailed.

As for abuse of individual pool complexes, that greatly contributes to the situation at SAB, and the WL to a lesser extent. I'm glad they control SAB with the wristbands, and they should do the same at the WL. You don't know how many people we've chatted with at the WL pools who weren't staying at the resort. The primary abusers there are the folks who can hop a pleasant boat ride and stroll right into the pools.

They really need to take the old River Country and convert it into a decent pool complex for Ft. Wilderness.

 

[YoHo]

Now now now Kidds, I never said that was my position, I'm just connecting the dots the way they were laid out in front of me. If DVC is the reason that poolhopping was shut down, then logically Disney made some sort of mistake in the construction of DVC.

As you pointed out though, DVC ISN'T the problem. And how interesting that our old nemisis the Values pop up as the issue. Hmm, these are the same resorts with no dining options? and far away from everything meaning that they're more likely to generate guests riding the system looking for food or drink or.....

Wheels within Wheels, becuase I bet the average Poly guest who has two resutrants and easy access to resturants at 2 other resorts and an awesome pool is less likely to clog up a transportation system meaning there are a few seats available for those Rosa Parks like offsite undesirables (err guests) who are scraping up a little Disney magic.



Quick, What's the line on people reading through the Hyperbole and discussing the point vs just getting outraged by the hyperbole?

 

[Aintdisablast]

Now now now Kidds, I never said that was my position, I'm just connecting the dots the way they were laid out in front of me. If DVC is the reason that poolhopping was shut down, then logically Disney made some sort of mistake in the construction of DVC.

As you pointed out though, DVC ISN'T the problem. And how interesting that our old nemisis the Values pop up as the issue. Hmm, these are the same resorts with no dining options? and far away from everything meaning that they're more likely to generate guests riding the system looking for food or drink or.....

Wheels within Wheels, becuase I bet the average Poly guest who has two resutrants and easy access to resturants at 2 other resorts and an awesome pool is less likely to clog up a transportation system meaning there are a few seats available for those Rosa Parks like offsite undesirables (err guests) who are scraping up a little Disney magic.



Quick, What's the line on people reading through the Hyperbole and discussing the point vs just getting outraged by the hyperbole?

While I'm not a big fan of the Value resorts, I really don't think they are the ones doing all the hopping or clogging up the buses.

First, IMO must guests staying there are there for a reason. A meal at Cal Grill probably doesn't fit into their budget.

Second, unless you visit often, are you going to waste valuable vacation and park pass time visiting snotty resort pools ? I go three weeks a year - always say I want to try Poly's pool, but in 10 years I still haven't managed to find time to do it.

Third, if Value resort guests are invading Deluxe resort pools, why haven't they resorted to wristbands ?

Y&B & BCV comprise a very large resort area. There probably isn't a lot of excess space to begin with - even less after BCV - so even a little abuse at the wrong time will be sorely felt.

 

[Aintdisablast]

Until I see documented proof, I wouldn't believe it. the last parkhopper I bought said I had use of all WDW transportation with no restrictions at all. For instance, as an offsite guest, I can schedule a dinner at any of the resort resturants. Can I not use a bus boat or monorail to get to that resturant?

I sure as heck can. Unless it's a very new rule.

I have an old park hopper pass with a couple days on it that NEVER expire. If I never step foot in another park again, does that old PH pass entitle me to free, unlimited use of all Disney transportation ? Forever ??

 

[DisneyKidds]

Y&B & BCV comprise a very large resort area. There probably isn't a lot of excess space to begin with - even less after BCV - so even a little abuse at the wrong time will be sorely felt.

I agree. Outside of SAB (and the WL since I have seen the amount of pool crashers there first hand) I don't think pool hopping was really ever that onerous an issue. I also think that locals, as well as value and other resorts guests, contributed equally to whatever problem did exist.

Overall, given the growth in the number of WDW resorts, I think it was reasonable to curtail pool hopping. Just too much potential for problems given all the people now on site..........even if it never really become a big problem but in one unique location.

Of course it's easy for me to say that because I can pool hop almost anywhere I want .

 

[CarnotaurDad]

I don't understand the uproar over trying to limit pool hopping.

There are only two places that WDW limits it: BCV and AKL.

BCV, because of the fact that SAB is almost a little water park, it is limited to those who stay at YC, BC or BCV.

AKL, because of the proximity to AK and they don't want it to get too crowded.

What, exactly, is the concern with limiting those pools to the people who paid for those resorts? Why is that an issue?

 

[YoHo]

I have an old park hopper pass with a couple days on it that NEVER expire. If I never step foot in another park again, does that old PH pass entitle me to free, unlimited use of all Disney transportation ? Forever ??

I do believe that on the back of that pass there's a time restriction based on first use since you're required to exchange old media you would get credit towards a new pass which did include transportation, so you're question is actually covered.

As for your other post,

I happen to have a very good friend that regularly stays at the Values for their price then uses the Poly pool. Does it all the time. Called me from there over Thanksgiving in fact. I guess we all have Mr. Straw man as a friend whether they're locals using a pool, riding a bus, or DVC members, or the miserly/poor/undesirables.

The rumblings out of Disney are that the Values don't hold poor people. They hold the same people that used to pay for the moderates who just want to spend less money. These people have no problems ponying up for a night out.

 

[YoHo]

I don't understand the uproar over trying to limit pool hopping.

There are only two places that WDW limits it: BCV and AKL.

BCV, because of the fact that SAB is almost a little water park, it is limited to those who stay at YC, BC or BCV.

AKL, because of the proximity to AK and they don't want it to get too crowded.

What, exactly, is the concern with limiting those pools to the people who paid for those resorts? Why is that an issue?

Well, in and of itself, it's bothersome because it goes against 25+ years of tradition AND, I see it of a sign of bad planning.

Within the context of discussion, poolhopping and higher use of resort resources by Value guests, DVC members etc. represents a strain on the transit system that was poorly planned for.

 

[DancingBear]

I don't get the 25 years of tradition thing. There were no SABs on property years ago. So unless they build an SAB at every resort, they're being stingy?

 

[CarnotaurDad]

I guess I'm missing it, but how is it bad planning? I apologize for my ignorance in this regard.

 

[YoHo]

I don't get the 25 years of tradition thing. There were no SABs on property years ago. So unless they build an SAB at every resort, they're being stingy?

No, Poolhopping was allowed from day one. I could use the poly pool if I was stying at the campground etc. etc.

SAB may be an awesome pool, better then Poly's volcano pool, but not so much better that the poolhopping effort is worth it.

Also, I think it was bad planning to make that entire Boardwalk complex with out addressing the fact that it could and does lead to issues with the Pools. This isn't rocket science here.

 

[raidermatt]

Ok, before I really jump in, help me out. For non-DVC guests, does the limit on pool hopping only apply to SAB and AKL?

 

[CarnotaurDad]

Hi raidermatt, yes, it does. SAB and AKL are the only two that disallow pool hopping.

 

[raidermatt]

So Yoho's fried is within his rights to stay at Poop Century and go over and use the Poly pool?

I've never pool-hopped simply because we just never got around to considering it, but I could swear I've read discussion on other Dis boards that led me to believe the ban went beyond that.

But like I said, I wasn't that interested personally, so I know I could be wrong.

 

[YoHo]

Yeah, I thought the ban was resort wide, just only enforced at SAB and AKL.

 

[CarnotaurDad]

Hi raidermatt, officially, the ONLY pools they check are SAB and AKL. So, to answer, yes, one could stay at Pop Century (a whole 'nother debate, because it is nowhere near as bad as others want it to be) and swim at CR or GR or Poly. Nobody is going to check your credentials at any other resort except for SAB and AKL.

 

[peter11435]

Hi raidermatt, yes, it does. SAB and AKL are the only two that disallow pool hopping.

Wrong. Pool hopping is not allowed at any WDW resort pool . The pool rules signs clearly state that they are for the exclusive use of Disney's (insert name) resort guests only. However since they don't check at any other than SAB (I have never seen them check anyone at akl) you could get anway with it everywhere else.

 

[CarnotaurDad]

Correct me if I am wrong (which I might be), but it is only enforced at AKL and SAB. I may be confusing the Disney Vacation Club rules with the other rules. Please feel free to set me straight.

 

[raidermatt]

DVC can pool hop except at SAB. I purposely wanted to leave that out for now though.

It sounds like it its resort wide otherwise, its just that they only actually enforce it at SAB and AKL.