VQ permanent for ROR

[cmarsh31]

No system will please everyone. But Disney has already voted for the "people want to sleep in on vacation" paradigm over the "early bird gets the worm" paradigm when they replaced the original FP with FP+ at WDW. I don't see them going backwards.

And thank goodness - we will RD sometimes, but it's not our standard preference. The old system wasn't good for us - we didn't start going frequently until FP+, and are definitely in the minority that we vastly prefer the DW version over MaxPass at DL. I'm already prepping my family for the inevitable insanely early-wake up for RoR in July. We just stood in line for Smugglers Run in November bc DH & DS were adamant about not getting up at 6am for a ride. Maybe by then... although I doubt it... we'll be able to get FP for RoR.

 

[montreid]

I didn’t say that this is what Disney will do. I said that this is a better system for the visiting customer. Clearly FP+ is better for Disney.

Not really. We Disneyland regulars have FP system that's essentially the VQ system. Works fine.

 

[Opie100]

WDW is a different beast than DL due to the vastly higher quantity of Disney hotel rooms to fill in Orlando. FP+ priority is a relatively inexpensive way for WDW to drive occupancy year round.

 

[GoingSince1990]

When FP+ was introduced I really wasn’t sure that I would like it, mostly because we had become such experts with the old FP system; rope-drop, ride major rides, grab paper FPs for later, zip around the park riding rides and stacking up more FPs, taking full advantage of return windows not being enforced. But as it turned out we love FP+; not being morning people, loving to sleep late, linger over breakfast and coffee, take our time getting to the park and still being able to do major rides with little wait is wonderful. We haven’t rope-dropped since FP+ was introduced, and I just hate the thought of having to choose between getting up at the crack of dawn and skipping RotR on our next trip. And I really hope this system is not extended more widely as I had thought that the days of having to get up early 3 times on a weeklong vacation were over once and for all.

 

[AngiTN]

No, he doesn't work for Disney, good one though, ha. Hes just a huge Disney guy, an AP holder and DVC member that follows Disney really close. He is usually spot on with his info. So time will tell.

Then how Earth does he know anything and why would you believe he knows stuff?

 

[Alynw]

Then how Earth does he know anything and why would you believe he knows stuff?

Did u read what I posted, the only thing my buddy said was that the VQ was permanent, he said nothing else. The rest is what I thought might happen. So as far as VQ goes, what makes u think hes not right. Show me one shred of proof where Disney said that VQ was temporary and would go away. Cause from where I stand, the proof is in the pudding. The vq has been integrated into MDE and has been now since August 29th, over 4 months now with no signs its going away. It's not just Disney, all the parks are looking for ways to incorporate some type of vq to help keep guests out of the lines. With the current fp system ur only guarantee 3 rides of which only one is a top tier ride that's even worth riding, the other 2 are low standby rides anyway, not much of an incentive at all. With the vq u could go through and vq 8 rides if u wanted and literally ride em all with no waiting if u like. I see nothing that suggests vq is temporary, maybe they make some changes to it but it's not going away.

 

[AngiTN]

There’s a fast pass line.

 

[AngiTN]

Did u read what I posted, the only thing my buddy said was that the VQ was permanent, he said nothing else. The rest is what I thought might happen. So as far as VQ goes, what makes u think hes not right. Show me one shred of proof where Disney said that VQ was temporary and would go away. Cause from where I stand, the proof is in the pudding. The vq has been integrated into MDE and has been now since August 29th, over 4 months now with no signs its going away. It's not just Disney, all the parks are looking for ways to incorporate some type of vq to help keep guests out of the lines. With the current fp system ur only guarantee 3 rides of which only one is a top tier ride that's even worth riding, the other 2 are low standby rides anyway, not much of an incentive at all. With the vq u could go through and vq 8 rides if u wanted and literally ride em all with no waiting if u like. I see nothing that suggests vq is temporary, maybe they make some changes to it but it's not going away.

I simply said you posted as if your random friend knows something only to later admit he's just a regular guy and knows nothing. He's guessing. He's doesn't know it's permanent. His opinion is that it is. Everyone has an opinion and his is no better than anyone's. Just while include from the start that is a guess

And conversely, can you show where they've said vq is here to stay?

However, so glad you and your buddy have secret knowledge of their plans and deemed us worthy to share with

But you are way off if you think WDW will go the way of DL and Maxpass (which is like a VQ system for the most part) Wish it would work but it won't

 

[AngiTN]

I never once said anything about having inside information so not sure what ur even talking about, I clearly stated, several times at that, this is just my theory on what I think Disney might do in the future. Nothing to do with secret info, just my opinion and I'm all for friendly conversation. I believe Disney with adjust the tiers again for certain rides, I think they will add a tier for paid fp's only, then tier 1 and tier 2 rides. For top tier paid fp's, those will also have the option of the vq system. This way, all rides have a free option to ride but some will also have a paid premium fp option as well.

You need to go back and read your first post. It being your theory is not mentioned

Was txtn my buddy about ROR and I was telling him how well the vq system is working and that I thought Disney should keep it this way and he said they are, said the vq was never a temporary system and was always setup to remain in place for ROR

Blogmickey is also stating that the vq boarding group process is also likely permanent. Guess time will tell.

Oh, well there's an second "reliable" source, lol

 

[Alynw]

here is my theory on it

Obviously my thoughts are just a theory

Here are 2 quotes from my original post, so u need to re-read it again before u come into my thread and start making statements that are not true. I mean really, u even qoated my post and then say I never stated this is just theory and it's clearly stated there if u actually read it, which u obviously didnt. I started this for friendly conversation about whether or not vq is temporary. U also make a comment "there is fp line" yes, ok, I've addressed that in several posts, i even said the fp isnt going away, did u even read anything that's been talked about in 4 other posts above yours, so again read the entire thread before posting the same stuff over and over again.

There’s a fast pass line.

Read.

 

[TDSAXX]

Obviously my thoughts are just a theory but as for ROR staying vq, my buddy said that's official and came from Disney. Anyone heard this.

You have a theory that they will start charging for FP.
As for the VQ being permanent, you state it’s official and comes from Disney.

 

[AngiTN]

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Here are 2 quotes from my original post, so u need to re-read it again before u come into my thread and start making statements that are not true. I mean really, u even qoated my post and then say I never stated this is just theory and it's clearly stated there if u actually read it, which u obviously didnt. I started this for friendly conversation about whether or not vq is temporary. U also make a comment "there is fp line" yes, ok, I've addressed that in several posts, i even said the fp isnt going away, did u even read anything that's been talked about in 4 other posts above yours, so again read the entire thread before posting the same stuff over and over again.



Read.

I read plenty
I guess you didn’t read your own post
Seeing the numbers that have same comments as mine you left out something that your mind has put
Besides that, I quoted all that was needed. No where did you say your friend gave his opinion
Not till called in who it came from

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Actually, fp is not better for Disney, it keeps more people in lines and also slows up the standby line which in return keeps those people in lines longer and Disney dont make money when people are waiting in lines. The less time people stand in line equals more time in shops and restaurants spending money. The whole intent of the vq is so people can continue to shop, eat and spend money whilst waiting for their time to ride. But u are correct, vq is definitely better for the extremely popular rides as it allows equal opportunity for everyone to ride without any long waits with the only downside u have to get there early. That's why if Disney added the pay fp to the already boarding group ride they would have the perfect setup. If u dont want get up early, u just pay for a fp and pick ur time. If u dont want to pay, then get up early and get boarding group. I bet anything we will see this.

Disney does want people in lines. At least right now. Lines are people eaters. The parks currently don’t really have the capacity for nobody to be in a line and everybody to be doing some sort of activity/shopping/eating at once. If every ride was VQ and there was no such thing as standby lines then you’d have a lot of people in the parks standing around twiddling their thumbs. Every QS restaurant would be packed to capacity with people camping at tables waiting for their VQ number to be called.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

The reason I think VQ is temporary (I’m assuming it’ll be gone by my May trip) is that the main point of spending billions on the FP system was data, data, data. They want to know everything you’re going to do 30 days out. They want to know which park you’re going to be in and when you’re going to arrive and what rides (at least the first 3) are most important to you. VQ doesn’t give them that. Admittedly the MaxPass system doesn’t give them that either and they’ve kept it but DL is smaller with more local day guests. Having FP data is one element to why they can still be making more profits despite attendance being down.

Right now VQ is a great way to manage the ride capacity and not have to give out tons of anytimes when the ride goes down. When it’s more reliable I would guess it’s going to change.

 

[Alynw]

The reason I think VQ is temporary (I’m assuming it’ll be gone by my May trip) is that the main point of spending billions on the FP system was data, data, data. They want to know everything you’re going to do 30 days out. They want to know which park you’re going to be in and when you’re going to arrive and what rides (at least the first 3) are most important to you. VQ doesn’t give them that. Admittedly the MaxPass system doesn’t give them that either and they’ve kept it but DL is smaller with more local day guests. Having FP data is one element to why they can still be making more profits despite attendance being down.

Right now VQ is a great way to manage the ride capacity and not have to give out tons of anytimes when the ride goes down. When it’s more reliable I would guess it’s going to change.

I agree, FP isn't going anywhere and that's what I said, that fp is staying and that vq is not replacing the fp. What I was suggesting is that VQ is basically replacing the standby line. So instead of having a 4hr wait standby line and fp line, u will have a vq boarding system and a fp line. The only other thing I suggested was that Disney possibly start charging for fp on specific rides only like ROR. From my original post I stated fp was not going away, I just think Disney has also invested big money and integrated vq into mde and that they will decide to keep the vq and fp as options to ride instead of going back to standby and fp. Once the crowd dies down to where u could start a standby line and they start using fp, u would then be able to just show up and get boarding group most of the day, no more getting there early, this would eliminate people standing in line and everyone would get to ride without wait.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

I agree, FP isn't going anywhere and that's what I said, that fp is staying and that vq is not replacing the fp. What I was suggesting is that VQ is basically replacing the standby line. So instead of having a 4hr wait standby line and fp line, u will have a vq boarding system and a fp line. The only other thing I suggested was that Disney possibly start charging for fp on specific rides only like ROR. From my original post I stated fp was not going away, I just think Disney has also invested big money and integrated vq into mde and that they will decide to keep the vq and fp as options to ride instead of going back to standby and fp. Once the crowd dies down to where u could start a standby line and they start using fp, u would then be able to just show up and get boarding group most of the day, no more getting there early, this would eliminate people standing in line and everyone would get to ride without wait.

I didn’t say that you said FP was going away or quote any particular post of yours. I read your theory. I’m giving mine. it happens to be different.

I personally also don’t think that they will institute paid only FPs for major rides. They need to be mindful of filling the resorts. Right now 60 day FP is the main benefit that a lot of people see for staying on site. If that doesn’t get you an FP
Advantage, off site looks much more attractive to some. And the only rides it really helps you on are the major ones. Also, it goes back to data, IMO. Not as many people will pay for FPs as will use them for free so they get less data and it’s concentrated on a smaller group of guests. But I could be totally wrong about that. Disney is the only ones with all the data to truly know the pros and cons.

I spent much of the early part of this year following the thread that was predicting (based on info from sources with very good track records) that paid FP was coming in the May time frame. It didn’t. I spent time worrying about the impact to my trip and it was nothing So I’m a little more suspect about non official info these days.

 

[mmackeymouse]

I personally also don’t think that they will institute paid only FPs for major rides. They need to be mindful of filling the resorts. Right now 60 day FP is the main benefit that a lot of people see for staying on site. If that doesn’t get you an FP
Advantage, off site looks much more attractive to some. And the only rides it really helps you on are the major ones. Also, it goes back to data, IMO. Not as many people will pay for FPs as will use them for free so they get less data and it’s concentrated on a smaller group of guests. But I could be totally wrong about that. Disney is the only ones with all the data to truly know the pros and cons.

Exactly, I agree 100%. If I am an onsite guest, and the only FPs I have access to at 60 days are the lower level rides, honestly, I would be pretty peeved. I get on at 60+ days out for FoP, not Kilimanjaro. If I get on there and I don't have access to the newer rides, it would bother me, but moreso if they convert existing big ticket rides to VQ.

A couple of other issues is it can have a direct effect on dining and park-hopping. That extra park-hopper fee is essentially free money for Disney. And, personally, it would make it pretty hard to plan a park hopper day, knowing that I won't have a general idea of when I will be done with SWGE until I am in the park. I think a lot of park-hoppers would stop going with park hoppers, and like I said....free money for Disney. Same with dining reservations. It would not be unusual to do a half day at a park, then leave the park for a break and make reservations for lunch somewhere. But, if I don't get a Boarding Group until like 2 in the afternoon, I am likely to miss my meal (and fight with Disney about dropping my cancellation charge) And instead of a table service meal (more $$), I am eating quick service, or more likely, skipping lunch altogether.

These are things that having FPs and knowing exactly the timeline of the day helps with. I love the idea of a VQ, I genuinely do. I don't like the idea of not knowing when you will be able to leave said park and being sort of slave to an unknown factor.

 

[pangyal]

I’m not sure if OP would agree to do so, but I feel that simply adding a question mark at the end of the thread title would be a very helpful step for all who are looking through the titles for news, etc. The way the title is worded makes it seem like this idea is a fact rather than speculation.

 

[GoingSince1990]

Same with dining reservations. It would not be unusual to do a half day at a park, then leave the park for a break and make reservations for lunch somewhere. But, if I don't get a Boarding Group until like 2 in the afternoon, I am likely to miss my meal (and fight with Disney about dropping my cancellation charge) And instead of a table service meal (more $$), I am eating quick service, or more likely, skipping lunch altogether.

Indeed. It's hard enough planning dining reservations 180 days out, but even harder if you don't know whether or not you will manage to get into a boarding group, and if so, whether you will have to wait one hour or six hours before your ride time.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

Exactly, I agree 100%. If I am an onsite guest, and the only FPs I have access to at 60 days are the lower level rides, honestly, I would be pretty peeved. I get on at 60+ days out for FoP, not Kilimanjaro. If I get on there and I don't have access to the newer rides, it would bother me, but moreso if they convert existing big ticket rides to VQ.

A couple of other issues is it can have a direct effect on dining and park-hopping. That extra park-hopper fee is essentially free money for Disney. And, personally, it would make it pretty hard to plan a park hopper day, knowing that I won't have a general idea of when I will be done with SWGE until I am in the park. I think a lot of park-hoppers would stop going with park hoppers, and like I said....free money for Disney. Same with dining reservations. It would not be unusual to do a half day at a park, then leave the park for a break and make reservations for lunch somewhere. But, if I don't get a Boarding Group until like 2 in the afternoon, I am likely to miss my meal (and fight with Disney about dropping my cancellation charge) And instead of a table service meal (more $$), I am eating quick service, or more likely, skipping lunch altogether.

These are things that having FPs and knowing exactly the timeline of the day helps with. I love the idea of a VQ, I genuinely do. I don't like the idea of not knowing when you will be able to leave said park and being sort of slave to an unknown factor.

Good points. It seems doable with 1 ride that has a VQ set up. Yes, some people will get their BG called at an inconvenient time but in general most people will be able to work within the 2 hour windows. But imagine if there were 2 BGs to be part of. Or more? It would get difficult to manage with everything else and Disney already has a perceived 'complexity problem'. And yes, it might discourage hopping for people new to it. I think the people who have used hoppers for a long time would continue to do so but it might put off people who were only moderately committed to it or new people.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Disney execs have these types of discussions. It would be fascinating!