Voter Fraud ?

[Chuck S]

How can a homeless person provide an address to prove what district they live in?

Shelters have addresses, don't they? I never had to show a utility bill or other "proof" of address to register to vote.

 

[my4kids]

If you check your constitution, you'll see that particular requirement is not listed as a requirement for voting.

As long as you make it easy for *everybody* to get a picture ID, there isn't a problem. But keep in mind there is a very real segment of the country that wasn't issued birth certificates when born, have never driven or been employed. And yet they have just as much right to vote as the rest of us.

There are a number of voter ID programs out there that really do try and reach out to everybody. But most don't.

Yeah, I know it is not a requirement. But is should be, and it is still ridiculous. There should be a constitutional amendment - and I like the idea about a voucher for a free picture ID when registering to vote. I mean really, if someone can get registered to vote, they can handle a photo ID if it is free.

 

[my4kids]

Here is a great example of a GOP dirty trick. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...6/11/07/AR2006110701756.html?nav=most_emailed

Ok - first of all - The Washington Post is not exactly what we would call non-partisan or non-biased - It is the only newspaper that is openly further left of the Baltimore Sun.

Second, I'm in Baltimore - and this is like a non-story here. It was a teeny tiny incident that was done by ONE person and given to a very SMALL amount of people (at like one polling place) The Washington Post was just doing it's part to get the fire going in case their candidates did not win, they would have already laid the ground work for the ugly law suits by the Deomacratic Party (because we all know Dem's are sore-losers). Interestingly, I did not see ANY articles in either of the aforementioned liberal rags about how some idiot spray painted the word "corrupt" in big red letters on every large Erhlich (cand. for Rep. Gov and the incumbent) sign in town. As well as how most of his signs were stolen from in front of polling places. Not only was this dispicable, but so off base as Erhlich has been a very successful and popular Governor who has done nothing but improve the state I live in in 4 short years after inheriting the biggest mess made by Democrats anywhere. He is a good man - and it makes me sick in the pit of my stomach that he will no longer be our Governor because a pompous whiner who fancies himself as the next Jack Kennedy is stepping in to undo all the progress that was made.

By the way, Doctor of whatever your a "Doctor" of, the election is OVER. You can stop your absolute relentless tirade of liberal crap that you have been spewing all over the internet. You did you part, I'm sure you even swayed a couple stupid people who can't think for themselves, just like the Washington Post does...you can rest now, you did good.

 

[TheDoctor]

Yeah, I know it is not a requirement. But is should be, and it is still ridiculous. There should be a constitutional amendment - and I like the idea about a voucher for a free picture ID when registering to vote. I mean really, if someone can get registered to vote, they can handle a photo ID if it is free.

Again, while you are at it, lets put a poll tax on these voters. You don't want the wrong people voting after all. Voting is a right and not a privilege. The GOP has a long history of voter suppression including the Southern Strategy (a plan where the GOP aligned itself with racists in the South to keep minorities from voting).

 

[Fitswimmer]

Do all states have voter registration cards? If they do, what is the harm in adding a picture to that. It's free, and you have to register to vote anyway. Why not add a picture?

 

[TheDoctor]

By the way, Doctor of whatever your a "Doctor" of, the election is OVER. You can stop your absolute relentless tirade of liberal crap that you have been spewing all over the internet. You did you part, I'm sure you even swayed a couple stupid people who can't think for themselves, just like the Washington Post does...you can rest now, you did good.

Look up the definition of Time Lord and you may understand the reference.

As for the liberal crap, I present facts to counter the untruths from the GOP and rove machine. BTW, thank you for the compliment. I hope that the facts that I presented did sway people (the people who understand my posts tend to be able to think for themselves).

Have a good day. I am.

 

[eclectics]

No matter what anyone calls it or how many options are available to allow it to take place, making people pay to vote is illegal. Period.

 

[TheDoctor]

Do all states have voter registration cards? If they do, what is the harm in adding a picture to that. It's free, and you have to register to vote anyway. Why not add a picture?

The motor voter law and other voter registration laws allow you to register without a picture ID including allowing you to register over the internet and by mail. Changing that would be a bad idea.

 

[Fitswimmer]

The GOP has a long history of voter suppression including the Southern Strategy (a plan where the GOP aligned itself with racists in the South to keep minorities from voting).

ever heard of the Daley's in Chicago? The originators of the phrase "Vote Early, Vote Often"? I believe they were Democrats, weren't they?

Good grief, a friend of mine got PAID to vote by the Democratic party in Bayonne in 2004!! He fooled them, he voted straight Republican when he got in the booth and kept the $$!!

Neither side has any room to be all holier than thou on this issue.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Changing that would be a bad idea.

Why? Why are you so afraid that only citizens who actually have the right to vote would be allowed to vote?

I don't want to see anyone have to pay anything, nor do I want to put any undue hardship on any eligible voter. Good grief, I have another thread out there asking how we can get more than 40% of eligible voters to the polls! I'm only suggesting that voter fraud should be prevented at all portions of the process.

 

[Chuck S]

Do all states have voter registration cards? If they do, what is the harm in adding a picture to that. It's free, and you have to register to vote anyway. Why not add a picture?

I don't think so. We do in Texas. When I lived in California we did not, but that was over 20 years ago, and that may have changed.

Actually, with all the electronic voting, they could have a photo of you on file on the screen to look at when you go to vote and they look up your registration. Or, since we get new cards every two years here in TX, they could add a photo to that card. The problem would be having to get everyone into the voter reg office every two years for the photo, and the hassle of having everyone there at once, since unlike DLs, they all renew/expire at the same time. If they switched it to expire on your birthday, then that would help spread it out.

 

[salmoneous]

Why? Why are you so afraid that only citizens who actually have the right to vote would be allowed to vote?

Nobody is afraid of such a thing. We just want it implemented in such a way that groups of people aren't disenfranchised.

 

[mrsltg]

Nobody is afraid of such a thing. We just want it implemented in such a way that groups of people aren't disenfranchised.

Especially those who have no right to vote or may wish to vote more than once.

 

[Fitswimmer]

We just want it implemented in such a way that groups of people aren't disenfranchised.

Agreed, but that shouldn't be inconsistent with wanting accountablility for eligibility. I was trying to figure out why TheDoctor was saying that we couldn't change the law and have a picture. I find it hard to believe that we can't come up with a solution that satisfies both needs.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Shelters have addresses, don't they? I never had to show a utility bill or other "proof" of address to register to vote.

I don't have to demonstrate that proof either--though they do ask if I am still at the address after I show my photo id.



RE: expiration--the just send us a new voter card as they do with my driver's license. My picture is the same from 2000--I don't have to get a new pic for even longer. I have since renewed my license and the same pic was used. Just like at Sam's Club.

For adults--if the cards are printed by the same computer as the DL--then all you'd have to do is print the same photo on the card.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The motor voter law and other voter registration laws allow you to register without a picture ID including allowing you to register over the internet and by mail. Changing that would be a bad idea.

Wasn't the law changed when those voter laws were put in place? It could be modified to include a photo for those who could otherwise not afford it (which I think is the topic at hand).

If they can't afford an id..how are they registering by internet?

 

[Chuck S]

For adults--if the cards are printed by the same computer as the DL--then all you'd have to do is print the same photo on the card.

You obviously don't live in TX, that would be too simple.

We actually have a separate county elections office with a year round staff (AKA good ole boys on payroll). But even so, if they used their own computer system to take photos and make the card, they would only need one photo evey few years, and could use it when the send out new cards.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Depends on who wins and how close it is. If the Democrats win, I doubt we'll hear much. If they lose or lose by a narrow margin there will be fraud reported everywhere.

We Democrats will make you a deal. If you Repugs will stop your voter suppression and intimidation, we'll stop reporting it.

 

[TheDoctor]

The GOP controlled House passed a voter ID law on a straight party line vote last year that died in the Senate. Here are some comments from one Democratic representative who opposed that bill. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/21/124142/791

This bill imposes strict new identification requirements on all voters in federal elections - most notably, it requires that voters provide proof of citizenship. Proof of citizenship is not something most of us carry around every day in our wallets; citizenship can only be proven with a birth certificate, a passport, or a certificate of naturalization. The vast majority of Americans do not currently posses the identification required by this bill, and thus it would disenfranchise millions of Americans - particularly the elderly, people with disabilities, and ethnic minorities.

Imagine you are a victim of Hurricane Katrina. You lost everything - including your birth certificate, and like 75 percent of Americans, you never acquired a passport. Under H.R. 4844, you would be denied your right to vote.

Imagine you were born at home around the turn of the century, and never were issued a birth certificate. Under H.R. 4844, you could not vote.

Imagine you are a Native American born on a reservation and were never issued a birth certificate. Under H.R. 4844, you would be denied your right to vote.

Imagine you are living paycheck to paycheck, you're not sure what happened to your birth certificate, and you can't afford the $100 to apply for a passport. Under H.R. 4844, you would not be allowed to vote.

Voting is a right and a privilege - for everybody, not just the fortunate or the affluent.

Of course some would argue that these are the people that the GOP does not want to vote.

 

[Fitswimmer]

We Democrats will make you a deal. If you Repugs will stop your voter suppression and intimidation, we'll stop reporting it.

I'll take that deal IF the Democrats stop paying people to vote and allowing illegal aliens to cast ballots.