Voter Fraud ?

[TheDoctor]

Two leading democrats have called for the investigation into GOP illegal robocalls. Now that the Democrats control the House, that investigation will occur.

 

[TheDoctor]

If the Democrats were interested in honest elections, they wouldn't sue to stop a voter ID law, whenever one is passed.

Many of the voter ID programs are simply ways to suppress voting by minorities. Many members of the GOP simply do not want minorities to vote. The original Georgia law as a disguised poll tax in that to vote you have to pay for a special ID. The Democrats will fight these laws if they are attempts to keep minorities from voting.

 

[Chuck S]

As some previous posters have pointed out, there has been both voter fraud and election fraud for years. I think the electronic machines will help BUT there also needs to be a verifiable way to do a manual recount if needed, and a way to void a specific ballot. For instancae, once someone uses a touch screen, the machine could print out a "receipt" detailing how the vote was cast, along with an electronic ballot number. If the voter determines that the machine incorrectly counted their vote, or maybe even the voter pushed the wrong button, that ballot could be voided in the system and the voter could vote again. Maybe a barcoded number could print ONLY on the copy the voter gets, and that barcode would be needed to void the ballot.

Using those receipts, which after review could be dropped in an old fashioned locked ballot box, a manual recount could be performed if the candidates decided it was needed.

Right now, in our area, there is no paper trail. We have no way to do a recount, we just have to take the machines count. When we first started using the machines a few years ago, I went to verify my ballot on screeen, and many of the candidates selected were wrong. I cleared the vote and redid the ballot, the second time the screen indicated my correct choices and I pressed the "vote ballot" button. I haven't had that happen since, but what if there is a software glitch AFTER te ballot is cast?

Again, that being said, I like the touch screens (our county uses the Diebold system)...but I think there needs to be a paper trail for recounts.

 

[my4kids]

Wait a minute--do you really think this was a coordinated action plan set forth by the RNC? REALLY??????? You don't think that it might just be some idiots acting alone (if indeed this really happened -- is there a credible news sourse reporting this?) who happen to be Republicans? And do you HONESTLY believe NO Democrats anywhere in the US did anything just like it? Really?????? If that's true--all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!

If the RNC or DNC got punished for every single unethical act committed by some of its idiots members acting alone--neither party would even go one day unpunished.

Yeah, if that is the case, then the DNC should be severely punished for stealing all of the republican candidates signs from in front of the polling places in the middle of the night in my town.

 

[my4kids]

Funny, we had all 3 networks on at the gym this morning and NONE of them were reporting any voting problems. I'm sure that problems will surface in VA if Allen wins, but so far not a peep about it.

If the Democrats were serious about reforming the way we vote in this country, we would be hearing about it even when they win.

Yeah, it's only fraud when the Dems don't benefit from it.

 

[Laura]

I understand the FBI has been called into VA to investigate the crazy phone calls telling people they'd be arrested if they went to vote.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

It is not Voter Fraud - it is Election Fraud. If you haven't, you should check out "Hacking Democracy" on HBO.

"This cautionary documentary exposes the vulnerability of computers - which count approximately 80% of America's votes in county, state and federal elections - suggesting that if our votes aren't safe, then our democracy isn't safe either."



Democracy?? When did that happen? I always thought our country was a Republic as identified in the constitution. There is a difference.

 

[TheDoctor]

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=75874

WASHINGTON, Nov. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- MoveOn.org Political Action is offering a $250,000 reward for new material evidence leading to a felony conviction for an organized effort of partisan voter suppression or electronic voting fraud.

Throughout the day accusations of election fraud and voter suppression incidents have been flooding into state and federal authorities throughout the country. In Virginia, the FBI has launched a criminal investigation into charges of voter suppression. In 20 Congressional districts, NRCC robocalls appearing to come from Democrats harassed voters with repeated calls in an apparently coordinated campaign to suppress the vote.

Complementing an earlier reward for whistleblowers, MoveOn's reward is being offered to anyone who provides this information

 

[Fitswimmer]

That was yesterday-election day. I just watched 4 hours of the Today show and voter fraud was not mentioned ONCE. The Democrats won, the accusations are over.

 

[TheDoctor]

I understand the FBI has been called into VA to investigate the crazy phone calls telling people they'd be arrested if they went to vote.

They are.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1270500

 

[sha_lyn]

Yeah, if that is the case, then the DNC should be severely punished for stealing all of the republican candidates signs from in front of the polling places in the middle of the night in my town.

I think I witnessed this Sunday evening on my street.

Although many times I doubt it is anyone acting on behalf of a candidate or political part. I feel that many times when it happens it is lone disgruntled citizens doing it.

In fact yrs ago my grandmother gave permission for a candidate to put a sign on her front lawn (rental). The owner of the home was a campaign worker for the opponent and kept taking the signs down.

 

[conciergekelly]

It doesn't matter who won today. Congress needs to look into regulating the voting systems and fraud. It is long over due. People need to have confidence that they are doing the best that they can to count and recount all of the votes accurately. Hacking can take place by either side.This is not a Democrate or Republican problem. It is and American problem.

 

[TheDoctor]

http://www.laborradio.org/node/4591

The AFL-CIO organized a voter protection program in 23 communities in six key elections states Tuesday, manning a “War Room” to field calls from activists about voting rights violations and other problems at the polls. Damon Silvers ran the AFL’s “War Room”.

[Damon Silvers]: “And most seriously of all we saw a lot of evidence that there are organized forces at work in our political system that are trying to prevent people from voting, who are entitled to vote, through trickery and bullying. What’s particularly troubling is that these kinds of things seem to happen when races are particularly close.”

Silvers, who is Associate General Counsel of the AFL-CIO, says evidence of voter suppression will be turned over to law enforcement authorities.

[Silvers 2]: "And also I believe there will be people in COngress who will be interested in investigating and we're certainly going to encourage them to investigate this type of conduct in our elections."

 

[Gary M]

Many of the voter ID programs are simply ways to suppress voting by minorities. Many members of the GOP simply do not want minorities to vote. The original Georgia law as a disguised poll tax in that to vote you have to pay for a special ID. The Democrats will fight these laws if they are attempts to keep minorities from voting.

In Indiana we have to show a picture ID to vote. These are issued to anyone free of charge at the license bureau. My 87 year old mother has never driven a car in her life, but has a state issued picture ID. She has had the ID for several years and has to use it for different things in life. The Democrats fought the law, but so far they have been unsuccessful in overturing it. I think the free ID shoots down their case.

Why play the race card? There are probably more poor white people in the USA than poor minorities. How do these poor people cash work checks or use government programs and benefits without proper ID?

 

[sha_lyn]

Why play the race card? There are probably more poor white people in the USA than poor minorities. How do these poor people cash work checks or use government programs and benefits without proper ID?

Exactly...The far left uses the race card to scare minority voters into electing them.

 

[Chuck S]

Why play the race card? There are probably more poor white people in the USA than poor minorities. How do these poor people cash work checks or use government programs and benefits without proper ID?

Not exactly. Overall, a higher percentage of the minority population is poor, compared to the percentage of the overall non-minority population. They may not have a drivers license, but only a social security card. They are often paid in cash (yes it is legal to do so) or have such small checks that the "check-cashing for a fee places" take the risk of no ID.

 

[my4kids]

Many of the voter ID programs are simply ways to suppress voting by minorities. Many members of the GOP simply do not want minorities to vote. The original Georgia law as a disguised poll tax in that to vote you have to pay for a special ID. The Democrats will fight these laws if they are attempts to keep minorities from voting.

This is so ridiculous. If you can't get yourself a picture ID, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Especially if they are free. I can't believe it when I go to vote and they don't ask me for ID. I know of some people who did not bother to vote, I know where they live, I could have gone to the polling place in their neighborhood and cast their votes for them. No one would have ever known the difference. Not being able to get an ID is just no excuse for opening up the door to easy election fraud.

 

[Chuck S]

I think the free ID shoots down their case.

Why play the race card? There are probably more poor white people in the USA than poor minorities. How do these poor people cash work checks or use government programs and benefits without proper ID?

True, if the ID were free, I would not have a problem. But in MOST states it cost nearly the same as a regular drivers license to get a state issued photo ID. If they issued a voucher when you registered to vote that entitled you to a free ID, then it wouldn't be a problem.

But forcing folks to get an ID to vote that they must pay for is, IMO, very similar to an illegal poll tax.

 

[salmoneous]

If you can't get yourself a picture ID, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Especially if they are free. I can't believe it when I go to vote and they don't ask me for ID.

If you check your constitution, you'll see that particular requirement is not listed as a requirement for voting.

As long as you make it easy for *everybody* to get a picture ID, there isn't a problem. But keep in mind there is a very real segment of the country that wasn't issued birth certificates when born, have never driven or been employed. And yet they have just as much right to vote as the rest of us.

There are a number of voter ID programs out there that really do try and reach out to everybody. But most don't.

 

[autumnbaby9]

True, if the ID were free, I would not have a problem. But in MOST states it cost nearly the same as a regular drivers license to get a state issued photo ID. If they issued a voucher when you registered to vote that entitled you to a free ID, then it wouldn't be a problem.

But forcing folks to get an ID to vote that they must pay for is, IMO, very similar to an illegal poll tax.

In Idaho you have to pay for a state issued ID. The price of an ID may not seem like a lot to some people but to people who live from paycheck to paycheck that ID money could be their grocery money for the week. If they were to make it were you got a free ID then I would have no problem showing ID's at the poll (I always take mine just in case).