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I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)


I totally agree with you here! Well said! I stopped coming over to the vmk boards of the dis because of all the negativity. I don't think I'd be here today if I weren't looking for my friends!
 
Just my opinion here but could that have something to do with the fact that they realized that the promises they were making were unrealistic?? and maybe something to do with the slamming they were taking on this board from that. To me, too many people are attempting to hold them to the same standards that we tried (and failed) to hold vmk too, vmk very often promised us something and didnt deliver on time or at all (can anyone say tcg?) and that was a three year old website from a well established company, this is a group of people who have never done this before who so far are only doing it to give us (vmk refugees) a place to hang out. Everyone needs to chill out and remember how to say "Thank You!!". If you find their motivation or methods suspicious, dont play! Its simple.

the past? Why change the past, they are re-writing history in a game based on history? @_@

All they had to do is make one post that says, hey, Things have not been going smoothly as we would have liked. Instead they edited the entire website. Thats just dishonest.
 
the past? Why change the past, they are re-writing history in a game based on history? @_@

All they had to do is make one post that says, hey, Things have not been going smoothly as we would have liked. Instead they edited the entire website. Thats just dishonest.

you are entitled to your opinion, as am i. I feel way too much is being read into this and like i said in a previous post, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, dont play. I will continue to meet up with old and new friends on there, because i appreciate what they are trying to do for us, and find the whole experience of beta testing amusing (bugs and missed deadlines included). I refuse to go through life judging people on things that dont really matter in the grand scheme of life. I will always trust people till they give me a reason not too, and so far, they havent.
 

Problem is I have to read all these posts. So I still have to worry about it.
 
They released the game as promised, even tho they knew they were nowhere near ready. Why did they do that, to capture the audience who cant accept the fact that there is no other VMK. That is what bothers me the most.
 
They released the game as promised, even tho they knew they were nowhere near ready. Why did they do that, to capture the audience who cant accept the fact that there is no other VMK. That is what bothers me the most.

I cant answer that, noone can but them. The only thing i can say, is that when i woke the day after vmk closed, i was devastated, yes i am still upset about it, but i do have to say, that having vfk to go to...helped. I know it will never be vmk, but it can still be something fun and exciting. It really helped to have somewhere to go and meet up with people (even if we didnt know at the time if they were old or new friends) and with all the silly bugs going on, i was able to laugh and that felt good. They did open before they were ready, but i for one was thankful they opened the day after, it immediately gave me and others something to take our mind off vmk. Another point i want to make, their are a lot of people on this board who have very personal relationships with the old vmk hosts and other staff members, do you all honestly feel they would be involved in something that they didnt feel was fundamentally good and could work for us? I dont, I have more faith in them than that
 
I cant answer that, noone can but them. The only thing i can say, is that when i woke the day after vmk closed, i was devastated, yes i am still upset about it, but i do have to say, that having vfk to go to...helped. I know it will never be vmk, but it can still be something fun and exciting. It really helped to have somewhere to go and meet up with people (even if we didnt know at the time if they were old or new friends) and with all the silly bugs going on, i was able to laugh and that felt good. They did open before they were ready, but i for one was thankful they opened the day after, it immediately gave me and others something to take our mind off vmk. Another point i want to make, their are a lot of people on this board who have very personal relationships with the old vmk hosts and other staff members, do you all honestly feel they would be involved in something that they didnt feel was fundamentally good and could work for us? I dont, I have more faith in them than that

I would like to say, I honestly do respect your opinion. It's welcome here, and I even want to hear it. The negative opinions are valid as well was my main point.
 
yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)

Well said :)

And just for the record VFK's TOS has said it will eventually be pay to play with a forever free game also since the very first day the site went up, That was the first thing Doc and I looked for. So Yes, it is free, but just like every other game in the universe that is NOT VMK...you will have to have a subscription for special things.
I think the people with pitchforks and torches need to stand down a little and see how it all pans out, Nobdy is forcing ANYONE to take part in the Beta, and noone is going to FORCE you to pay when the time comes. I see no need to flame the site.
 
My heart has always been with the kids in the game. I personally loved to give to others. I have logged on to VFK. It is dissappointing, all I see are kids and some adults who are trying to relive what VMK Beta was. They have discussed how they are going to get rich, how they are going to be this or that. So unfortunately to alot of people, they do feel this is the new VMK. This is where they are going to become the person that they tried to become in VMK. It just saddens me, I hope they do get their dreams but honestly think that they should move on and try to be themselves not someone they want to be. That is why I made the comment above.
 
To be fair I can think of many ways VMK has compared to the things VFK are doing, for example:
In the second to last Yavn Speak's Yavn said "there will be a way to see your VMK friends in other Disney Game's and know they are from VMK", shortly after this way removed, a broken promise and editing.
 
Ok, so we will agree to disagree ;)
Aww..aengus, we had our first fight :rotfl2: :hug:

btw sorry but I reported you!!!

Well said :)

And just for the record VFK's TOS has said it will eventually be pay to play with a forever free game also since the very first day the site went up, That was the first thing Doc and I looked for. So Yes, it is free, but just like every other game in the universe that is NOT VMK...you will have to have a subscription for special things.
I think the people with pitchforks and torches need to stand down a little and see how it all pans out, Nobdy is forcing ANYONE to take part in the Beta, and noone is going to FORCE you to pay when the time comes. I see no need to flame the site.

I actually agree with this, I never have a problem with this, I would DEFINITELY like to see clarification from the conversation with Sarah last night tho. The TOS were always that way, and if its a surprise to anyone they should have read them.

ETA: Dude, they updated the current yavn speaks (at the time) The case I am talking about, last night they made several edits to their past submissions.
 
btw sorry but I reported you!!!



I actually agree with this, I never have a problem with this, I would DEFINITELY like to see clarification from the conversation with Sarah last night tho. The TOS were always that way, and if its a surprise to anyone they should have read them.

ETA: Dude, they updated the current yavn speaks (at the time) The case I am talking about, last night they made several edits to their past submissions.

you reported me? sorry still new to the boards, what exactly does this mean?
 
Well from all I see half the board sees the glass half empty - half see it as half full. Both are right. And until the air evaportes the water of it rains into the cup neither side will see eye to eye.

Even with the closing of VMK some did not even try to help because they did not see it as a bad decision. Others were heart broken with tears.

And thus makes the world turn. If we could always understand the other persons point of view there would be no wars, no poor people and no loneliness, no fear no thrill of sucess. In fact the world would be kinda boring :)

I for one am a dreamer of all things are possible. If I chose to listen to all the negative reminders of all the bad things that have happened in my life or fear of what could happen. I would be a bitter lonely person.

Thus I will always see the glass half full :)
 
Speaking of Fin.... I saw her for the first time tonight!!! W00T!!!!! Got my first VFK hug. :hug:


no offense but i think she faked it @_@



:rotfl: ok ok I am going away for a while... you all have fun in there and give fin a hug for me too :)
 
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