VGF vs RIV with young kids

Just my different opinion, but I 100% disagree.

RIV is more understated elegance, similar to a European hotel on the French Riviera (maybe slightly Americanized).

Portofino Bay is much more "theme park-y" and reminds me more of the Venetian hotel in Vegas than an authentic European hotel.

And the quality of the rooms isn't even close. RIV by a mile.
To each his own, of course.

I understand what you are saying, but I have stayed at both, several times, and I agree Portofino Bay is older, as you might expect, but otherwise I much prefer it.

I have travelled in Europe a fair amount in the last few years, including France and Italy several times each, and I find Portofino Bay to be much more reflective of what Italy is really like. And I didn't find France to be much like Riviera at all, even though I have been on the French Riviera multiple times on those trips.

However, I will agree that Riviera has better food, and France certainly has great food. The people there take extra pride in their food, from the bottom to the top.
 
We have a 3 year old and own at Riviera. My son loves the skyliner, it's his favorite mode of transportation! He also enjoys the splash pad there.
I honestly like the convenience of Riviera. I love that it's a tower and you don't have to walk long distances outdoors and be subjected to the elements to get to where you need at the resort. I also like the theming.
I'd say buy wherever you like because kids grow up and MK isn't always where you'll need to be.
These are some of the reasons we just purchased at RIV. We have a 5 year old daughter who loves the skyliner. The compact layout is going to be amazing too. I’ve heard the bus from RIV to MK/AK is better than the busses from VGF to HS/Epcot/AK.

We may buy points at Poly 1 or 2 and/or FW in the future for MK area points.
 
As far as I am concerned, Riviera is not that wonderful. They have a decent Quick Service restaurant (better than most places) and Topolino's is nice - but expensive. Whereas VGF has many more and better restaurant options.

Ya okay....

Quick Service is better at Riviera
Normal Table Service is better at Riviera
Want super crazy expensive meal than Grand Floridan has you covered with Victoria and Alberts

Also guess what Riviera meals are in the same building.

Want options? All of Epcot, BW, BC/YC, Swan/Dolphin, HS (for a couple options) are all easily within reach.

Riviera blows Grand Floridan and the other MK resorts out of the water. Like its not remotely close when it comes to food. The only area close to Epcot resorts is going to be SSR (not even OKW right because the boat is down last I checked) as you have Disney Springs right there.
 
Not sure how people act like any MK resort can hold a candle to the Epcot area when you consider the sheer volume of easily accessible resturants and options for Riviera, Boardwalk, Beach Club compared to the other DVC offerings at WDW.

It always blows my mind when people who love non-epcot areas want to discount the sheer volume of resturants and focus on a single resort. The whole point is the consolidated offerings as a whole for the area within a short walk, boat, skyliner of where you are at.
 

The huge negative at VGF could be easily fixed - put a freaking coffee in the AM - wine in the PM bar in the lobby of VGF1 - I just want to be able to pop down the elevator and get a drink without making the trek to the main building.
 
We’ve stayed at both VGF and RIV with three kiddos. Both resorts are great and have excellent resort staff.

However, the feelings I get from each resort are very different. The Grand Floridian feels much more “adult” and “stuffy” than Riviera does to me. The Grand is more of a collared-shirt resort to me (although there are plenty of those at Riviera). GF has more fancy restaurants and you’ll see people dressed up to visit them. Both have good quick service restaurants, but Topolino’s Terrace at Riviera is our favorite Character Breakfast by far.

On room size and location, Riviera is a tower hotel and so it’s nice that everything is in one building. The VGF1 building is farthest from the main building and very far from the quick service restaurant. The studios are about 50 square feet bigger than the original deluxe studios at VGF. The new resort studios at VGF have a better layout and theme and are about 65 square feet larger than the original deluxe studios. The resort studios are also closer to the main building, but have no covered walkway like the DVC building. HOWEVER, the resort studios have paper-thin walls and you will hear your neighbors’ conversations and all their music/TV/showers etc.

The resort studios now make up the bulk of the room inventory at VGF. It will be easier to get a studio at VGF (harder at Riviera so may want to own there if prioritizing studios). Room inventory for 1 and 2 bedroom units is larger at Riviera and it will be easier to get those rooms at Riviera (harder to get at VGF so may want to own there if prioritizing 1 and 2 beds).

Both VGF and Riviera’s pools and splash pads feel underwhelming to me, but they are fun and adequate. Riviera’s pool bar is outside the pool gate, while the Grand has twice as many and they are inside.

Neither Riviera nor the Grand Floridian have playgrounds for kiddos. The Grand does have some beach sand to play with and a gray area. Riviera has some fake grass, and some lawn games.

The Skyliner is great in great weather. The monorail is unreliable in any weather and Grand Floridian has the worst spot on the resort monorail line. The grand does have a walking path, but it’s far too MK if you’re coming from the original DVC building (it’s basically like walking from the Poly).

Both resorts have points charts that are point-hungry compared to other DVC resorts, but Riviera is a little more favorable.

I do wish the Riviera had a slightly larger lobby and some more shopping choices, but it works. I don’t spend that much time in a resort lobby anyways. The Grand Flo’s lobby with a professional piano player dressed to the nines is quite spectacular. However, I fell out of place pushing a stroller and sweating from the Florida heat.

If you’re buying direct, incentives will vary slightly. Riviera has a longer contract, higher dues, and resale restrictions that likely mean you’ll sell it for much less than you purchased it for. VGF will have shorter contract, lower dues, and will fetch a resale price closer to what you paid direct.

If you’re buying resale, your VGF points will be more expensive and can’t be used at Riviera, Villas at Disneyland Hotel, or future dvc resorts. Riviera resale points are cheaper, but can only be used to stay at Riviera.

All that to say, which is best for families with kids? I think Riviera, especially if you want to stay in studios and have the home resort priority. VGF could be the more safe financial choice if you think you’ll sell down the road. Buying direct means getting access to both at 7 months.

Thank you. That was a very thoughtful comparison.
 
My kids are older now, but if they were small, i would take VGF over RIV. However, I agree with previous posters to wait for poly tower. We might sell some of our VGF for the new tower
 
Is both an option?

When kids are little little then MK has much more to offer than the Epcot area resorts, but that balances out in just a few years.

Personally I’m not a fan of taking the monorail to Epcot - MUCH prefer the ease and convenience of the skyliner - but that also isn’t perfect.

For our longer trips we are settling into a split stay routine with a few days at a MK resort for MK days, and longer for Epcot/HS. AK and anything offsite fits into either locale. It seems to be working really well for us.

The one thing I would say is that the less time you spend on a bus (opening/closing strollers) the better!
 
Then, when kids are older, it's an easy 5-10 minute walk from the corner of Pago Pago via the pathway to get to the TTC. There, you get on the Epcot monorail
Yeah, not even. It’s faster to walk to TTC from PVB1 than it is to get to the start of the MK walkway at the far end of VGF from VGF1, as an example.

We own at RR and PVB, and are considering buying more unrestricted points at VGF. 3 kids under 6. I value convenience (transportation, resort layout, dining) over theming differences. I’d give slight edge to RR over VGF.
 
I probably should also clarify that we are wanting to stay in 1 and 2 bedroooms. Both seem to be equally nice
 
Our kids are 9 and 10, own at Riviera and just stayed Grand Floridian. Our kids are past the splash pad age, but still totally are pool nuts, which I think is the No.1 priority with littles. I love the main pool at GF and think that's a great one to grow up with. The Riviera main pool is dull theming, BUT, as a parent, I LOVE the footprint! Everything is conveniently placed for sight lines as a parent for the splash pad, main pool slide, hot tub, shallow end with zero entry, and access to bathrooms and the bar and Primo Piatto. The convenience can't be beat. It's so much easier to keep an eye on them, and the Fantasia theming and water canons at the splash pad are really cute. The Alice in Wonderland splash pad is cute, too, but the spacing of it away from the pool causes a little separation when the kids are straddling the two age brackets.


Lastly, just being totally lazy here, LOL, but we love the compact footprint of Riviera and all the great food options INSIDE. We like to order food in, and not having to get dressed and trek over to Gasparilla Grill or the Cafe is a perk to us. Primo is RIGHT there, as well as the little coffee/pastry shop in the lobby.

I also think RIviera is set up better for strollers and ECVs in their foyer. Grand Floridian is gorgeous, but the entry is kind of tight. However, Grand Floridian's balcony to watch the Electric Light Pageant go by is so nice, and their shopping is great.
I completely agree with this. I find Riviera the easiest resort to stay at with our boys (now aged 8, 7 and 5). It’s much easier to keep an eye on them and it’s small enough that you can give the older ones a little bit more freedom to wander around. The pool is also standing height for my five year old which is an added bonus as although he can swim it means I watch him more like a Robin than a Hawk! It’s also got a lovely room for arts and crafts and board games which again is very easily reached. My eldest was happy to wander over there with a friend whilst we were at the pool with the younger children.
 
Grand Floridian wins on location as magic kingdom is the most important park at Disney. Grand floridian cafe is the best sit down at either location. Topolinos is better than citricos and narcoossees, but reservations are hard to come by. Flying fish is as good as topolinos and is close to riviera. Riviera has a better room mix if you prefer 1/2 bedrooms. Grand floridian Big Pine Key resort studios were a bad addition. Skyliner is more fun than the monorail but less reliable. It is easier to get 7 month reservations at riviera. Grand floridian points are more valuable than riviera points based on resort demand and resale value.

We chose Grand Floridian.
 
I probably should also clarify that we are wanting to stay in 1 and 2 bedroooms. Both seem to be equally nice
This changes things somewhat IMO, while VGF is now larger than it was before BPK was added & your chance of getting a BPK resort studio is decent at 7 months as a result, for someone who wants a 1 or 2 bedroom VGF is still the small resort it’s always been.
VGF has 47 1 br.s & 94 2 br.s (47 lock offs & 47 dedicated)
Riviera will likely be easier to get at 7 months based on sheer numbers.
Riv has 177 1 br.s & 238 2 br.s (90 lock offs & 148 dedicated)
It’s too soon to see what effect the fact that at 7 months recent resale buyers can book VGF & cannot book Riv - but it’s likely going to make booking VGF at 7 months more competitive off set somewhat by Riv resale owners who can only book at Riv & presumably do so at 11 months to not lose the ability to use their points.
If you prefer one resort over the other then buy the one you like staying at, that’s been my approach.
If you are less committed to one resort, then think about things like if I want to switch to my second choice how hard will that be at 7 months, do I really like Riv. enough to pay its’ more expensive MFs & higher direct buy in cost ATM.
If I change my mind and want to sell do I like Riv enough now to take a bigger loss in the future due to the fact that it’s a bigger resort & thus there’ll be more resale contracts on the market so more supply v. VGF, plus the wild card on the demand side - finding a buyer who wants points that can only be used at Riviera?
 
I probably should also clarify that we are wanting to stay in 1 and 2 bedroooms. Both seem to be equally nice
I’d give RR slight edge on room layout, especially with strollers.

The 2BR dedicated SV rooms at RR are my favorite. Pretty much guaranteed to have an EPCOT fireworks view.
 
We decided to buy 200 points at RIV! We just love the resort and it has some sentimental value being our honeymoon resort. It’s amazing how fast points get loaded when you buy direct. It was about 3 hours after we finalized with our guide
Great choice and welcome home! Don’t forget that you can call DVC to book a “Welcome Home stay” with increased availability (from the cash side). You have to call to book it though and you can’t have booked anything online.

Even when we factor in dollar amounts and try to justify DVC purchases, there is a large portion that is the emotional value. Riviera is a beautiful resort with a great location- which is why it is one of my family’s home resorts.
 
Grand Floridian wins on location as magic kingdom is the most important park at Disney. Grand floridian cafe is the best sit down at either location. Topolinos is better than citricos and narcoossees, but reservations are hard to come by. Flying fish is as good as topolinos and is close to riviera. Riviera has a better room mix if you prefer 1/2 bedrooms. Grand floridian Big Pine Key resort studios were a bad addition. Skyliner is more fun than the monorail but less reliable. It is easier to get 7 month reservations at riviera. Grand floridian points are more valuable than riviera points based on resort demand and resale value.

We chose Grand Floridian.
1. MK is the most important park at Disney
- From a numbers perspective definitely, but depending on your personal taste if you like Epcot/HS more. Having grown up going to Disneyland MK is probably my third favorite at WDW.
2. Grand Floridian Cafe is the best sitdown.
- Personally I like Primo Piatto, those grits in the breakfast platter are amazing
3. Topolino is better than Narcoosee/Citrico
- Haven’t personally been to Narcoosee’s but in a week that’ll change but both Citricos and Topolino are excellent IMO
4. BPK studios were a bad addition and RIV has more 1/2BRs
This might be the one thing I agree with lol, BPK studios while aesthetically nice have gotten a lot of complaints regarding noise and essentially being a quick flip is still using a lot of the old infrastructure that likely should’ve been updated although it is nice to have a lot more studios at VGF.
5. Skyliner is less reliable than the monorail
I’d probably agree with this too if there’s rain/lightning it doesn’t run unfortunately.
6. It is easier to get a reservation at 7 months at Riviera than VGF.
- This one I’m going to disagree with. RIV is just barely over halfway sold. I imagine once it’s filled availability will become even tighter. Obviously both VGF and RIV are still selling but RIV has a larger amount of inventory left to sell. If you want a chance at a few nights in a row or to not have to waitlist to book standard view rooms at RIV then you need to own at RIV. If you don’t care about standard vs. preferred view then owning at RIV doesn’t matter as much but it is an extra 20% in points essentially to stay in a preferred than standard.

Why’d I do all of this? Just to show there is no one right answer and ultimately it all comes down to your personal preference OP.

Edit: Lol I’m reading this on my phone at 330AM and saw you already picked 😂. I may be biased but I think you made a good choice.
 
Have not had the luxury of staying at VGF yet but I’m typing this from Riviera as we are hosting 25 people for a family reunion with a broad range of little ones who vary from 2 years old up to older teenagers. Many of this party were also with us at Wilderness Lodge for a few days before coming to Riviera and the overall consensus is they love Riviera. They give the splash pad high marks, love the slide at the pool, etc. The party also loves the Skyliner.
 
We decided to buy 200 points at RIV! We just love the resort and it has some sentimental value being our honeymoon resort. It’s amazing how fast points get loaded when you buy direct. It was about 3 hours after we finalized with our guide
Just wanted to say, we have stayed at Riviera one-bedrooms almost every trip, and have done the two-bedrooms once and are planning to do it again next year. They're WONDERFULLY laid-out rooms. So spacious and intuitive for strollers and kid/family gear.
 
Buy where you like, not the kids. It's Disney World they will love it all. We love both but there is something really special about the Grand Floridian and I don't think it ever feels stuffy at all. No one treats you that way so if some feel it is stuffy that is on them, not the resort.
I do agree about the new Polynesian though. I would wait to see what is offered there.

We felt out of place and under dressed the first time we walked into GFV but got over it quickly. Most of the people will be in standard shorts and tshirt with a few in “resort wear” and a few dresses up. At then end of our first stay it was our entire family’s favorite resort and still is. We bought there in April.

We have not stayed at Riviera but that one felt closed in and a bit claustrophobic to me. We have also stayed at Caribbean beach, Port Orleans (French quarter and Riverside), AKL, BRV, and Yacht Club.
 















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