VDH Opening

[Yankee626]

I always thought this too and would be a game changer. Looking at google maps, it seems feasible.

I dont think enough people would use it to justify the cost of a walkway from Riviera to Epcot.
International gateway has the Boardwalk , Yacht and Beach club , Dolphin , Swan, Swan Reserve and now Carib Beach , Pop Century and AOA using that entrance as well as Riviera. The entrance you speak of would only have Riviera using it.

 

[MartyParty]

Totally agree. Grew up in the OC, spent many days on the public bus to the parks with my summer job earned annual pass in hand. Worked at the parks a couple of years myself, brother was a lifeguard at the hotel for 5 years, neighbors ran the hula and "Hawaiian wedding" shows that were performed regularly at the hotel in the 80's. The hotel has an aesthetic of it's own that is important to maintain. I think the room design is quite in respect with that and still has some personality.

I personally want my hotel room to be functional first, have a bit of personality second and be at a resort with common areas that dazzle a bit. To that end, my only disappointment is a bit of a reliance on Downtown Disney to complete the "resort" experience for the Disneyland Hotel. Certainly the Grand Californian provides that better....but the Disneyland Hotel is a classic and looking at those gorgeous Grand Villas has me dreaming!

Aligned with your thinking. I wish they would at least put a restaurant (top floor) or cafe (ground floor) in the building. Or both. I'm ok to walk to VGC Tenaya's for my ritual last day foot massage, so don't need that at VDH.

 

[nlenguyen]

A guide told me they were supposed to encourage cash booking for VDH at the moment. So I interpret that we won’t get point chart or be able to buy points for a while longer.

The website now says check back within the upcoming months. I know someone pointed it out earlier, but for me it was saying weeks at the time. I just want to make sure I get my reservation for our December trip

 

[nlenguyen]

With the current incentives expiring May 29,2023, would it be plausible to say that they may wait until then to release sales?

 

[Canchaser143]

With the current incentives expiring May 29,2023, would it be plausible to say that they may wait until then to release sales?

One can only hope, I thought this when the "winter" incentives ended, and well... here we are lol

 

[HIRyeDVC]

With the current incentives expiring May 29,2023, would it be plausible to say that they may wait until then to release sales?

I predict June sales. It’s 3 months prior to resort opening and 7 month booking window would be January 2024, which is after the holidays. Just my speculation.

Aligned with your thinking. I wish they would at least put a restaurant (top floor) or cafe (ground floor) in the building. Or both. I'm ok to walk to VGC Tenaya's for my ritual last day foot massage, so don't need that at VDH.

Is Tenaya Stone hard to book? I can only imagine it getting harder with only 1 spa servicing all of DLR.

 

[MartyParty]

I predict June sales. It’s 3 months prior to resort opening and 7 month booking window would be January 2024, which is after the holidays. Just my speculation.

Is Tenaya Stone hard to book? I can only imagine it getting harder with only 1 spa servicing all of DLR.The

I predict June sales. It’s 3 months prior to resort opening and 7 month booking window would be January 2024, which is after the holidays. Just my speculation.

Is Tenaya Stone hard to book? I can only imagine it getting harder with only 1 spa servicing all of DLR.

Doesn't seem to be. We book upon arriving at the resort but even then its a day or two after arrival. We go on our departure day with an afternoon flight. I suspect when we go in the morning most folks have went to the parks. Its really nice and the staff are wonderful.

 

[nalabear]

If cash sales are soft, then they will have more reason the pull forward. Does DVD ever discount their cash sales to match other Disney hotel promos?

Still believe that it's a regulation issue that's preventing outright sales.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

If cash sales are soft, then they will have more reason the pull forward. Does DVD ever discount their cash sales to match other Disney hotel promos?

Still believe that it's a regulation issue that's preventing outright sales.

yes, at Disney World cash stays at villas are virtually always included in promotions, including all of the current ones.

At Disneyland, however, it’s less of a sure thing, and hotel discounts there are usually neither significant nor frequent to begin with.

 

[elenex]

If cash sales are soft, then they will have more reason the pull forward. Does DVD ever discount their cash sales to match other Disney hotel promos?

Still believe that it's a regulation issue that's preventing outright sales.

Could be but I still think it's increased capacity and revenue for the holiday season. Someone mentioned California timeshare laws would limit how many rooms they could sell cash once they declare them, and it just makes no business sense to not increase cash capacity for the busiest time of year when you have the chance to do so.

Don't kid yourselves, these rooms will sell out. They're opening just in time for the Halloween season and then will roll right into Christmas/NY, DLRs best and busiest times of year. I just think they may sell out after all the other, better cash value rooms are sold, particularly if they discount regular DLH and GCH rooms as they usually do. I think points stays will start on or after 1/1/24.

 

[nalabear]

What adds to the quarterly reports faster? $30,000 150pt sale or a $2500 booking?

Disney can do both and will do both if able to. Something is different with VDH than other DVC releases that's changed from their MO.

DVD can easily move a small segment of rooms to DVC points and sales for only VDH purchases until end of 2023 then points for all in 2024. Nothing stopping them for doing that right now -- at least internally decision.

 

[elenex]

Yeah but, they can do both. They can start selling any time they'd like with a "DVC opening date" after 1/1. Have their cake ($34k+) and eat it too ($2k/3 nights in the smallest room in the DLR). It's not an either/or, they just tell DVC folks they have to wait a few months.

Edit: In fact to further my conspiracy theory, an on sale date when current promotions end makes perfect sense for a January points-booking opening. It would give guides the ability to sell us on the 11-month booking window availability right off the bat as if you bought in late may you would have time to book even Jan 1 before the 7-month window opens.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Yeah but, they can do both. They can start selling any time they'd like with a "DVC opening date" after 1/1. Have their cake ($34k+) and eat it too ($2k/3 nights in the smallest room in the DLR). It's not an either/or, they just tell DVC folks they have to wait a few months.

Edit: In fact to further my conspiracy theory, an on sale date when current promotions end makes perfect sense for a January points-booking opening. It would give guides the ability to sell us on the 11-month booking window availability right off the bat as if you bought in late may you would have time to book even Jan 1 before the 7-month window opens.

I can’t imagine they can book a DVC sale until the resort actually takes its first guest. If anyone has corporate finance experience let me know if I’m mistaken.

If I’m right, it’s interesting that it’s projected to open right before the Fiscal Year ends, because it would allow them to book all presales in FY 23 instead of FY 24. So just that date makes me imagine that they will be selling points well ahead of September.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I can’t imagine they can book a DVC sale until the resort actually takes its first guest.

?? I don't understand what you're staying here? As soon as they have their ducks in a row and filings complete they can declare inventory and begin sales. There generally is a completion point in the building that is necessary but I do not know the details of what CA requires.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

I can’t imagine they can book a DVC sale until the resort actually takes its first guest. If anyone has corporate finance experience let me know if I’m mistaken.

If I’m right, it’s interesting that it’s projected to open right before the Fiscal Year ends, because it would allow them to book all presales in FY 23 instead of FY 24. So just that date makes me imagine that they will be selling points well ahead of September.

Normally you can start booking DVC inventory (from whatever is declared) before a resort opens to any guests.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Normally you can start booking DVC inventory (from whatever is declared) before a resort opens to any guests.

"Always" might be the more precise word.

 

[CarolynFH]

I can’t imagine they can book a DVC sale until the resort actually takes its first guest. If anyone has corporate finance experience let me know if I’m mistaken.

Are you talking in accounting terms here, i.e. they can't enter the sale onto the books as revenue until the first guest checks in? I have no idea about that.

For example, sales of RIV began in March 2019 but the resort didn't take its first guests until mid-December that year.

 

[elenex]

I'm not really sure where the confusion is... I don't see it as an either/or proposition. They could start selling VDH tomorrow with an official timeshare opening date of let's say 1/1, and everyone who intended to buy it would still buy it. At the same time, they could also continue to book every single room as a cash room from 9/28-12/31. Couldn't they? Then they'd be pocketing the same DVC sales income and at the same time be pocketing 3 peak months of cash sales on an extra 350 rooms or so. It also gives them leeway if they are still wrapping up in October/November as they could just pull those rooms out of cash inventory.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

?? I don't understand what you're staying here? As soon as they have their ducks in a row and filings complete they can declare inventory and begin sales. There generally is a completion point in the building that is necessary but I do not know the details of what CA requires.

Normally you can start booking DVC inventory (from whatever is declared) before a resort opens to any guests.

You both are misunderstanding what I mean by book a sale. It’s an accounting term that has nothing to do with reserving something. In accounting you (generally) book (in essence, include in financial statements) revenue when you provide the associated product or service. For DVC I’m wondering out loud if that doesn’t happen until the resort opens.

Are you talking in accounting terms here, i.e. they can't enter the sale onto the books as revenue until the first guest checks in? I have no idea about that.

yes.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I can’t imagine they can book a DVC sale until the resort actually takes its first guest. If anyone has corporate finance experience let me know if I’m mistaken.

If I’m right, it’s interesting that it’s projected to open right before the Fiscal Year ends, because it would allow them to book all presales in FY 23 instead of FY 24. So just that date makes me imagine that they will be selling points well ahead of September.

Why couldn’t they book it as soon as the client is past the recession period?