Vaping....much worse than cigarettes.

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This is what one of the school districts in my area is having to do---



They are putting educational information even in elementary school.....

Now cute but corny posters I'm not sure will work but that district said they will be teaching about not vaping in health class and trying to be more educational vs seeing it as a straight up punishable offense.

The 3 big districts, including the one mentioned above, in my area have all had such problems with vaping. It's just the new smoking of cigarettes and I'm honestly sad that all those truth campaigns, especially about being the last generation to smoke, are seemingly all for nothing if all these kids get addicted to vaping.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

To be honest , the only reson im adamant about this thread is that it was the only allternative that worked for me to stop smoking. I get that vaping may not be good. I tryed the allternitives, the gum , patch , drugs etc. This can help people. If you never smoked, or was addicted to something , you really can't understand.

Vaping as a means for smoking cessation is something that exists..it still can be harmful to you. But the point of using vaping as a smoking cessation is that you stop vaping too. If you end up vaping as an addiction you're in the same spot as you were before vaping.

I actually do know someone young who tried vaping to stop smoking but in the end it was just too expensive and they are now back to smoking.

Now the other side of the coin is that people have taken up vaping because it's the new smoking of cigarettes which is quickly becoming a huge issue.

 

[wgeo]

Vaping as a means for smoking cessation is something that exists..it still can be harmful to you. But the point of using vaping as a smoking cessation is that you stop vaping too. If you end up vaping as an addiction you're in the same spot as you were before vaping.

I actually do know someone young who tried vaping to stop smoking but in the end it was just too expensive and they are now back to smoking.

Now the other side of the coin is that people have taken up vaping because it's the new smoking of cigarettes which is quickly becoming a huge issue.

This is a real concern amonst the kids these days. Many kids who would tell you without a doubt that smoking is horrible and that they would never do it, still vape. They see it as harmless and "cool" sigh. It's those kids that I'd like to understand that it isn't harmless.

 

[Searc]

Then why were they all in the same hospital? And they some also admitted bying black market vape juice, so the weed oil.

They weren't all in the same hospital.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...ury-confirmed-suspected-13-others/1959408001/ (from beginning of August)

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/0...sease-in-16-states-possibly-linked-to-vaping/ (from yesterday).

 

[Sjm9911]

The original 13 in Wisconsin were, i was refering to the post avove mine. And i do see that there is a common thread of illegal unregulated vape juice mentioned in your articles. Additionally they say its still to early to rule on a cause.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The last one sounds like a joke, there are metel particals but we dont have any idea of a more then likely where there from. Must be some great scientists there. Lol. Sounds like you are quoting news articals that put together what they want to illicit a responce? So really not science fact.

Hardly. Medscape is a reliable medical informational resource:

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Medscape is a website providing access to medical information for clinicians; the organization also provides continuing education for physicians and health professionals. It references medical journal articles, CME, a version of the National Library of Medicine's MEDLINE database, medical news, and drug information.

Here’s another article from this month:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/916651
Chest radiographs revealed opacities in both lungs, typically in the lower pulmonary lobes. CT scans "showed diffuse ground-glass opacities, often with subpleural sparing," according to the WDHS statement from August 2. All patients tested negative for infections. Some worsened to the point of needing endotracheal intubation but improved after receiving systemic steroids.

This is not harmless water vapor. The aerosols in e-cigarettes release a pretty significant chemical cocktail," she told Medscape Medical News. "These cause inflammation in other circumstances, so you'd expect them to cause inflammation in the lungs." Although few studies have been conducted in this area, "we are very worried, " Wilson said.

Prevous research has suggested that vaping can alter lung function. The US surgeon general and the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine have concluded that e-cigarettes contain and emit potentially toxic substances.


In addition, Sadreameli said more cases of vaping-related harm are being presented at scientific meetings and in journals. "I expect we will begin to see more of these as time goes on," she said.

As for nonpulmonary side effects, the FDA announced earlier this week that it is continuing to investigate a possible link between e-cigarettes and seizures or other neurologic symptoms. The FDA posted an initial warning in April and has now received 127 reports of seizure or other neurologic symptoms among e-cigarette users.

 

[Sjm9911]

Still not buying it. Ground glass , in one , metel shards in another. I don't think that was because of normal vape shop stuff. Had to be black market, drug ladden stuff. To blame all vaping , on something obtained illegally is not good. Nor is not looking to find the real cause behind the glass and metel It would be easy to test the fluid, and or vape smoke of the person effected. I think cursading for a cause is good , but you need to know the cause first and not guess!

 

[kdonnel]

So I take it you are for decriminalizing (indeed legalizing) all drugs. Why not? Free country right? If I want to addle my brain with cocaine, should be my choice. For sure, we should start with nationwide marijuana legalization too, and make that age 18 too.

Sounds like a great plan. I have no problem with decriminalizing all drugs.

 

[indimom]

Still not buying it. Ground glass , in one , metel shards in another. I don't think that was because of normal vape shop stuff. Had to be black market, drug ladden stuff. To blame all vaping , on something obtained illegally is not good. Nor is not looking to find the real cause behind the glass and metel It would be easy to test the fluid, and or vape smoke of the person effected. I think cursading for a cause is good , but you need to know the cause first and not guess!

That phrase does not mean they had glass in their lungs. It's medical terminology to describe what is seen on the scan. Just wanted to clarify.
I would certainly be concerned about these instances. They were severe episodes akin to COPD exacerbations. I've never heard of cigarettes causing rapid onset acute lung injury. Its a major concern and one that needs to be clearly identified and prevented.

 

[TheConsciousness]

Its too bad that big tobacco has spent all this money to smear vaping, just so they don't lose their loyal customers. Vaping will never be as bad as cigarettes.

 

[LSUmiss]

Its too bad that big tobacco has spent all this money to smear vaping, just so they don't lose their loyal customers. Vaping will never be as bad as cigarettes.

They paid those kids to be hospitalized & for the hospitals to falsify medical records. Life must be exhausting for you.

 

[lifesavacation]

Its too bad that big tobacco has spent all this money to smear vaping, just so they don't lose their loyal customers. Vaping will never be as bad as cigarettes.

I mean, maybe this is true, but I’m pretty skeptical. A major tobacco company has minority ownership of Juul so they definitely have a stake in their success and aren’t leading some smear campaign.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...20/juul-altria-investment-vaping-big-tobacco/

 

[Pea-n-Me]

This just in

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...usfdi7edxjpt6k5e23e-story.html?outputType=amp

 

[Sjm9911]

This just in

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...usfdi7edxjpt6k5e23e-story.html?outputType=amp

Exactly , more blaming people vaping when they all were using tbc. In plain terms, illegal drugs in there vapes. Vapes were never ment for that and who knows where the stuff is made, could be in someone's basement. Blaming vaping for people doing illegal drugs isn't right. But the media cant resist a cause and a story.

 

[Floridaman999]

Vaping helped me quit an almost 30 year smoking habit. Now I don't smoke or vape so it worked okay for me.

Oh, I'm not dead either.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Exactly , more blaming people vaping when they all were using tbc. In plain terms, illegal drugs in there vapes. Vapes were never ment for that and who knows where the stuff is made, could be in someone's basement. Blaming vaping for people doing illegal drugs isn't right. But the media cant resist a cause and a story.

“Public health officials say these mystery illnesses appear linked throughout the state and country, but still haven’t identified one common cause, or one specific product responsible.”

Putting all the information together, there is a lot that is not fully understood, but vaping itself appears to put people at risk.

 

[Sjm9911]

Read the paragraph above the one you quoted, lol. "In many of the cases, including in Illinois, patients said they used THC products, but did not identify a specific product, according to the CDC. "
I say that the thc appears to put people at risk. So , in absence of any apparent proof we can blame whatever we like. And you are correct, its not understood at all. If 100 people ate hamburgers with tained meat and got sick do we blame the McDonald's they got the hamburgers from? Or do we blame the tainted meat? Many people dont get sick from vaping, and its been around for like 15 years now. Why did we never hear of this sooner?

 

[bcla]

There's a reported death.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...m-lung-illness-linked-to-vaping-idUSKCN1VD22Y

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Many people dont get sick from vaping, and its been around for like 15 years now. Why did we never hear of this sooner?

They've been doing studies on this in recent years. We still don't know all about it but I do think it's like weed. We know there are some negatives to it without knowing the full gamut at the moment.

And in recent years it's become an epidemic among young teens I doubt that was the case 15years ago (taking your word for it when it started). That school district I mentioned earlier--they've had students come in saying they want to quit but they can't because they've become addicted to it. That's what has so many people concerned. It's that we have so many young people becoming addicted to something that has yet to be fully studied for its adverse health affects and in many cases it was never used as a smoking cessation but rather they started with vaping.

I've also seen where people have said that because vaping is more convenient than smoking-since they can do it inside, pull it out of their pocket, do some puffs here and there, etc that they've actually increased their usage beyond what they did when they smoked cigarettes.

And no I'm not trying to say vaping=evil or media this or media that.

 

[Lynne M]

I think everyone's focusing on "vaping good" vs "vaping bad," when a lot of the risks are based on what's in the vaping liquid.

If you're getting your liquids from a reputable source, like one of the major vaping brands that's part-owned by the big tobacco companies, you can be pretty sure that what's on the label is what's in the cartridge. But many people get them from random internet sites. Gas station convenience stores. Local smoke shops. Classmates. Friends of friends. And then who knows what you're inhaling?

That doesn't address the toxic metals issue, but that's another story.

Oh, and the phrase "ground glass appearance" in a radiology report doesn't mean there's ground glass in your lungs. It's referring to the appearance of a certain kind of opacity on the scan - it looks like ground glass.