Vaping....much worse than cigarettes.

[wgeo]

I agree with this.
I do not believe there have been peer-reviewed journal articles published about the long-term consequences of vaping - simply because it hasn't been around enough to do long-term studies. Anything someone says or writes right now is pure hypothesis. Anecdotal evidence is not scientific data.

I totally agree with this, but it goes both ways. Whether they are harmful or not, or whether they are better/worse than cigarettes at this point is hypothesis. Time and more studies will give us more accurate information.

However, I will continue to tell my kids that vaping is horrid and that they shouldn't start, even if I don't have official studies to back me up yet.

 

[loves to dive]

My son is a RP as well and he always gets upset when he sees someone vaping. When my honey decided to quit smoking he did all the research and went with the patch for awhile and then stepped down to the gum.

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

I've thought all along that time would prove vaping is as dangerous, if not more so, than cigarettes. I had no idea it would happen so fast. I am also all behind the T21 initiative that would make vaping/smoking illegal for people under 21. Will it entirely stop it? I'm not an idiot...of course not. But studies confirm that in places where it has been made illegal, ready access to those under 18 ends. And, usage rates in high school decline. The reason is simple. Every single high school has kids who are 18 and therefore in the "social circle" of younger kids. Not so many high school kids share a "social circle" with 21+ year olds and therefore have ready access to those things. I truly do not get the resistance to such laws. The ridiculous argument that "if you are old enough to fight for this country, you are old enough to get cigarettes" or "it interferes with our freedoms." Personally, I don't think we should send 18 year olds off to die for us for precisely the same reason we shouldn't let them buy alcohol ... their brains aren't developed to make good decisions....frontal lobe development is key to being an adult. They don't have it. Period. As for the "freedom" argument, good grief...should we not legalize cocaine and heroin too? Those laws "interfere" with my freedom too. I think if we knew back hundreds of years ago what we know now, nicotine would be an illegal drug. Now, because of the heavy lobbying power of that industry, it stays legal. There is zero positive benefit to that stuff. None. Zip. Nadda.

I agree, I've always felt like vaping was going to end up worse for our health than smoking. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

The other point you bring up happens to be a pet peeve of mine. The reason we send 18 year olds off to die for us in war is twofold: first, because their brains are in the sweet spot where they have developed to a point where they have good cognitive reasoning skills but still retain some of the recklessness of the teen years; second, because they typically have no dependents for the government to support in the event of their deaths. I have nothing but respect for the men and women that serve in our armed forces and keep us safe, I lack respect for the decision makers at the highest levels. At a certain point in the heirarchy, the decision makers stop seeing individuals and they become a faceless group to be used toward a strategic military advantage advantage.

 

[mummabear]

Yes there is.... to have a safer alternative to smoking or for others, to use it as a means to quit

IF that is the case (and that is still an if) then it should come prescribed so that people arent starting vaping and it is only used to quit smoking.

 

[Sjm9911]

Why would you do that and make it harder for poor people to access it? Additionally , no other nicotine allternative needs a perscription? As for peole starting vaping, i dont get it, i hate vaping. I liked smoking. Vaping is , for me , a better alternative. Maybe more enforcement, and kids parents getting involved is better. But who knows, as this fad waines another will take its place. Such is the epidemic of addictive chemicals, drugs. When i was a kid everyone was doing wip its. You could buy the cartridges and a special inhalation decice on the streets. Im gussing now most dont even know what they are.

 

[DisneyOma]

Your confusing quiting smoking with vaping, smoking is much worse as far as my real life study determined. Vaping, while maybe bad, dosent have the same effect of shortness of breath, coughing, snoring, etc. Additionally there are no tar, smoke , residue left behind for second hand contamination. While your freind may vape more, he smokes less. Additionally, he may be reducing the nicotine level in the juice that causes the user to vape more. This is a first hand experience and not a conclusive study. But i smoked for 30+ years. I can tell you the benifits are there.

Your real life study is missing a few things. There is definitely residue left behind (enough to set of the smoke detector in the school bathroom) There are chemicals being inhaled that cause issues with lungs, issues that show up faster than issues with smoking. You are just switching one bad thing going into your lungs, body, brain, with another.

 

[Sjm9911]

Ok, lets start with the smoke detector, it depends on the type. Typically it will not set off the school bathroom smokes. ( fyi , i do this for a living). I have no issues with anything ahowing up fasyer with smoking? Can you link your data? I atually get yearly lung x rays and a full work up for asbestos exposure. Lung capacity tests and the like. So far, my lung capacity tests have gotten better? I never said it was good for you, just that its beyyer then smoking. Like i said , post your articles stating it effects the lungs and is much faster progressing. I never have sceen anything conclusive but the news saying ot was so.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Nicotine increases your heart rate, raises your blood pressure, slows down then production of insulin. And you can become addicted to the nicotine easily.

 

[SensesFailed]

IF that is the case (and that is still an if) then it should come prescribed so that people arent starting vaping and it is only used to quit smoking.

Well last time I checked we still live in a somewhat free country, so adults should be able to make decisions that when it comes to this on their own. Other devices dont need a prescription and purchasing vape devices shouldn't need one either.

 

[mnrose]

Well last time I checked we still live in a somewhat free country, so adults should be able to make decisions that when it comes to this on their own. Other devices dont need a prescription and purchasing vape devices shouldn't need one either.

So I take it you are for decriminalizing (indeed legalizing) all drugs. Why not? Free country right? If I want to addle my brain with cocaine, should be my choice. For sure, we should start with nationwide marijuana legalization too, and make that age 18 too.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

People are right, there is still not a lot of data on vaping yet.

However, here is the latest of what we do know.

From Medscape:

Vaping Harms Vasculature, Even Without Nicotine
August 20, 2019
(snippets)

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/917031
In a small group of healthy young people who did not smoke or vape, vaping one nicotine-free electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) produced transient changes in blood vessels similar to those seen in early atherosclerosis, a study found.

Not as Benign as Some Believe
Karen M. Wilson, MD, MPH, a pediatrician at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York City, who was not involved with the study, told Medscape Medical News that "there has been this narrative that electronic cigarettes create this harmless 'water vapor,' " thereby making them useful for adults who want to quit smoking.

But "what we're really starting to understand" is that in addition to nicotine, the aerosol contains other potentially toxic particles, she said.

Importantly, "some of these vascular changes in the lungs or the direct irritation from those toxins and particulates in the aerosol [may be] what's precipitating" the recently seen cluster of cases of severe lung disease in young people who had been vaping, Wilson said.

As recently reported, from July through August 8, there were 12 confirmed cases and 13 cases under investigation of teens and young adults in Wisconsin who were hospitalized for severe lung problems after vaping.

Importantly, the current study shows that "even without the nicotine, [e-cigarettes are] still harmful," she stressed, adding that there is no need to inhale anything except air or, if needed, a medication, such as albuterol for asthma.

Similarly, Deepak L. Bhatt, MD, MPH, a cardiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, told Medscape Medical News, "Vaping is growing among young people at an alarming rate, and the widespread belief among them is that this is safe for health." Bhatt was not involved with the study.

However, "this study demonstrates that these aerosols do negatively impact markers of endothelial function as assessed by MRI and adds to the growing literature that vaping is bad for cardiovascular health.

"Unfortunately, the full clinical impact of vaping will not be known for several years," he noted.

Effect of Aerosols on Blood Vessels
The e-liquid in e-cigarettes contains propylene glycol, glycerin, flavorings, and different amounts of nicotine. When heated, the aerosol that is formed contains formaldehyde and acetaldehyde (probable carcinogens) and tiny metal particles (likely from the heating element).

Once inhaled, these substances reach the lung alveoli, where they are taken up by blood vessels and can cause systemic oxidative stress and inflammation, as reported in studies of e-cigarettes that contain nicotine, the researchers write.

 

[Sjm9911]

The Wisconsin thing was people all from the same area , and one of the few cases reported, so a cluster. And probably from something else , like pot infused juice. There was never another report of so many stricken so fast.
The last one sounds like a joke, there are metel particals but we dont have any idea of a more then likely where there from. Must be some great scientists there. Lol. Sounds like you are quoting news articals that put together what they want to illicit a responce? So really not science fact.

 

[Sjm9911]

To be honest , the only reson im adamant about this thread is that it was the only allternative that worked for me to stop smoking. I get that vaping may not be good. I tryed the allternitives, the gum , patch , drugs etc. This can help people. If you never smoked, or was addicted to something , you really can't understand.

 

[LSUmiss]

To be honest , the only reson im adamant about this thread is that it was the only allternative that worked for me to stop smoking. I get that vaping may not be good. I tryed the allternitives, the gum , patch , drugs etc. This can help people. If you never smoked, or was addicted to something , you really can't understand.

But if it’s discovered to be just as unhealthy or worse, has it really helped you? Have you not just replaced an addiction to one thing with another?

 

[Sjm9911]

Yes , but you can controll the amount of nicotine in vapes. So i can keep weening myself off. And it hasent been determaned to be just as unhealthy, as i stated, it feels 1000 times better. Its an addiction, but you get so much more back. The stuff thats assosiated with smoking , shortness of breath etc are mostly gone after vaping. And the other side effects. Long term effects unknown, bit short term are a great improvement. Of in the future its uncovered that it has the same long term effects, its still better in that it dosent have short time efects, and that it gives you an opportunity to cut down the nicotine so that its possable to quit. So , no , its not swapping on vice for the other.

 

[Kitty 34]

To be honest , the only reson im adamant about this thread is that it was the only allternative that worked for me to stop smoking. I get that vaping may not be good. I tryed the allternitives, the gum , patch , drugs etc. This can help people. If you never smoked, or was addicted to something , you really can't understand.

I'm curious on how long you have been vaping and how long you think it will take to successfully stop? I quit smoking 23 years ago with the help of Acupuncture. I went in for my first treatment in the late afternoon, went back the next morning and was done and have never ever had a craving. Just saying this to you because there are things that do work besides this vaping. Good luck, tho.

 

[PollyannaMom]

Yes , but you can controll the amount of nicotine in vapes. So i can keep weening myself off.

Please don't feel you're being attacked for using vaping to quit smoking. Different things work for different people, and if you and your doctor found this to be the best method for you, that's great! You've got to do what works, and less nicotine is certainly a plus.

We just don't want kids getting the idea that they should start vaping (when they were not previously smoking anything) because "it's not as bad as cigarettes". - We may be finding that it's just as bad, or worse, for them.

 

[Searc]

The Wisconsin thing was people all from the same area , and one of the few cases reported, so a cluster. And probably from something else , like pot infused juice. There was never another report of so many stricken so fast.
The last one sounds like a joke, there are metel particals but we dont have any idea of a more then likely where there from. Must be some great scientists there. Lol. Sounds like you are quoting news articals that put together what they want to illicit a responce? So really not science fact.

They were not all from the same area in WI. LOL

 

[Searc]

To be honest , the only reson im adamant about this thread is that it was the only allternative that worked for me to stop smoking. I get that vaping may not be good. I tryed the allternitives, the gum , patch , drugs etc. This can help people. If you never smoked, or was addicted to something , you really can't understand.

All you did was replace one unhealthy obsession with a different unhealthy obsession.

 

[Sjm9911]

They were not all from the same area in WI. LOL

Then why were they all in the same hospital? And they some also admitted bying black market vape juice, so the weed oil.