Value of a point spent at a resort

[Patpat15]

Your posts always seem to have a negative ring to them. You contradict yourself, and seem to have a chip on your shoulder about DVC. If you dislike DVC so much, sell it. Nobody makes people buy this timeshare. Many of us realize the situation is not perfect, that anything owned or controlled by Disney is money making based. Knowing that, many of us bought in because we love the whole DIS aura, with the less than perfect intent. I really think that there is a strong possibility that you spent more time evaluating the point structure and pricing between the DVC resorts, than the DVC execs do. Maybe it really isn't as complicated as you make it all in your original post. I'm a teacher and had to read it three times to understand what your poll was about.undefined

 

[Richyams]

I am happy that most seemed to have seen my point and agree with me.

Contradict myself? Please give examples...

I think DVC is the greatest thing in the world. I say that all the time. I do have a very serious problem with DVC sales using lies and fraud and this new trend towrds delivering less value per point spent, but what other aspects of DVC do you see me railing against?

I think that you are probably one of very few who think I hate DVC...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

 

[nydizfan]

I agree 100 percent dvc is the best thing . but some people just dont get your angle. its not the end of the world . its just they are not as adamant as you about the issues . keep it up . dave

offsite '71 contemporary '72 golf resort '76 village resorts '93 okw '94 okw '95 contemporary '96 okw '97(got married) okw '97 late okw '99 okw '00

 

[tiggersnj]

You guys are killing me, I can't stop laughing.

 

[reneesam]

I find this to be all very interesting. I agree entirely...I personally feel that WVL and subsequent resorts built as add-ons to existing resorts are just that, the half-sister in the shadows, the also-ran, not the prime time headliner. OKW is a condominium resort, and was planned and executed with that in mind. BWV has equally well planned hotel and condo accomadations designed as a coherent unit which is a destination in and of itself. Parking-lot condos don't capture that...they are afterthoughts.
I think Drusba's last post (the one before she started writing her own gravestone poetry)summed it up best.
Renee

 

[HorizonsFan]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> so when some buy at BCV because Disney convinced them that resales were silly [/quote]

I know about your crusade against guides selling VB points and telling buyers that they will have no problems staying at WDW. I agree that this is less than honest. Please give some evidence that Disney is convincing people that resales are silly...

Dave

 

[teenk]

that Rich gets critiqued for failing to clearly convey his "DVC" theory! Guess we're just fortunate that he chose something other than writing as a career!!!

Just had to add my two cents here
Lisa (DW)

 

[baileybrad]

The most consistent point that Richyams has always made on these boards in the past is buy where you plan to stay, that, and he stays mostly in Grand Villas at OKW.

SO that being said what is your beef? If you have a 11 month booking window at your dear home resorts that you love so very much then who cares what DVC charges for the nightly point rates at their future resorts. We bought inflation protection for our current home resorts and for that point in time and nothing more. What Disney is doing is consistent with what any business would do in maximizing its profits. Seems to me that the OKW folks are now in the same spot that some of you, Richyams most recently, are always harping on, that the HH and VB folks are so screwed when it comes to visiting/exchanging into the WDW DVC resorts. I know some people have no interest in staying any place but their home resorts and the change in the point stuctures at the new resorts won't affect a thing for those folks.

A somewhat important issue I have with all of this conjecture is the broad assumptions that are made. Please remember that the many thousands of DVC members are so different. We have no interest in any further stays at Boardwalk or the future BC DVC resort. This is not a shot at BW or BC, it is one preference. OKW is fine, not very Disney- like but it is a great place for us. We just stayed at the VWLs and plan to go back to WDW in late October and, if available, decide between OKW and VWL. And as shocking as some would believe, we will take the VWL over OKW if available. Higher points or not it is a decision that only, us, the individual DVC owner gets to make at this point in time.

And one other thing, we are part of "the red-headed stepchildren" who have HH as our home resort. So I suppose that we had better enjoy one of our few remaining WDW visits at a DVC resort because I am sure our time has run out. This was going to happen when the Boardwalk property was built, also....guess what it has not happened.

There was never any guarantee how many future DVC resorts would actually get built. So how can folks have a valid argument about how the DVC handled the future properties. It seems that if you really want a guranteed stay at any of these newer or soon to be on-line resorts, buy the points from Disney or in OKW/BW's cases through resales. The only thing that we presently have to hang our hats on is the 4 month home resort booking advantage. After that it's everyone for themselves which is what we all knew when we joined. If the DVC ever changes the booking windows or for that matter anything else then the conjecture that crept into this thread of folks buying at a less desireable or more expensive resort while planning to stay at a more desireable location might hold water. I still think that there are so many members with so many diverse ideas of what is or is not more desireable that the small percentage of total members responding to this poll is by no means the final word on anything. Especially when a small group continues to post (which is their right to do so) essentially the same points over in order to defend their various positions. (Again not a shot but a reality when a thread is going back and forth.) I might do the same if someone attempts to distort my very long opinion.

We have stayed at OKW 6 times, BW 2 times (with my brother's family), HH 4 times, and VWL just 7 days ago. We have never stayed at VB and don't have any plans to...we beach vacation in Daytona. That being said, we enjoyed VWL probably more than any place we have ever stayed...higher point cost or not. This has nothing to do with anything except to point out that we have experienced all of the resorts that are being debated as to the rising costs associated with their stays.

[This message was edited by baileybrad on 02-18-01 at 10:52 AM.]

 

[Dean]

I think one VERY important point in dealing with DVC is often overlooked by the members. I own at OKW and not at BW, etc and that is what is guaranteed to me within the rules that apply. DVC has included me and all of the members at the various resorts in the "Disney Vacation Club" which has certain (many) priviledges. Although I think it's unlikely that things will change much, there is no guarantee that those priviledges will continue. Anytime one of us uses our points to stay at a sister resort, we have performed an exchange into that resort and are guests of the members there. Just because it's easy, we can use our points directly and the management is the same does not change the facts. It's really no different than being a Marriott member and doing an internal exchange for another Marriott resort.

Dean

 

[jade1]

Someone was asking about when new resorts come on line if they were "discussed" in a not so positive light-kind of like SSR threads on occassion. Kind of interesting.

 

[joepoe]

Someone was asking about when new resorts come on line if they were "discussed" in a not so positive light-kind of like SSR threads on occassion. Kind of interesting.

Rest in Peace Richyams and may all your hallways be short ones.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Wow, the old "no one will stay at VWL and BCV because they cost more points" theory never came to pass did it!! This should make the SSR owners feel good, bashing seems to be a right of passage. Don't worry Rich, I'll spend more points to stay at BCV, God bless ya!

 

[sajetto]

Wow, I can't believe folks thought no one would stay at BCV or VWL or that another thread started by Rich has appeared again.

 

[tomandrobin]

Maybe we should start the CRV bashing thread now and get it out of the way! That way we could just enjoy it when it starts!

 

[DVC Sadie]

Maybe we should start the CRV bashing thread now and get it out of the way! That way we could just enjoy it when it starts!

No bashing from me. I am waiting to snap up CRV as soon as they beome available. Just have to figure out how many points I want.

 

[cobbler]

Its curious though. I wonder how many SSR owners will fall into the trap of bashing a new and upcoming resort for the same (basically the bashing has been similar) reasons as SSR was bashed.

It does make an interesting read.

 

[tomandrobin]

I don't own yet, but will soon. But I only would be upset if a new resort was exclusive to a different DVC membership that required an addition fee for older DVC resorts to use.

I know that there is specualtion that SSR sales are not well. However, if you read the financial report for 2005 and the 4th quarter for 2005, it notes that profits are doing well for DVC as a whole.

From my research, there could be two or three additional DVC resorts at WDW. Maybe two or three external to WDW. I am guessing that DVC in California may happen. Which would lead to a second DVC out west, external to the resort. And if all they expired in 2054, it would create a second level of ownership. That would help to protect the prices and value of the newer resorts from the older resorts as they peak in 10 or 15 years.

 

[CRSNDSNY]

I always like seeing one of Richyams threads pop back up.