Value of a point spent at a resort

What about the people who purchase Vero Beach points with the intent of using them for the Disney Cruise Line? Any thoughts on this? :D ;) :D

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CarolAnn using DVC points for anything except making DVC resort reservations at your home resort we are all equal. I think this is what DVC salespeople try to convey.
 
I agree with that completely. I am not to sure about wether that would be a money saving proposition going forward. There are no guarantees, like your points getting you this or that forever. VB points also have the highest dues, it still could be the most beneficial purchase available from Disney because of the ilcentives.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?
 
Did anyone factor age into this? As we get older, won't the more upscale quiet resorts with a high proximity to the parks become more attractive for some? The older I get the less I may tolorate the hustle and bustle of BWV therby making the higher point cost at BCV worth it. Would that make this trend better in the long run for many?

We will all get older won't we? ;)

JC
 

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Hopefully. The alternative doesn't require any points at all. ;)
 
The Disney cemitary. Now there's an idea!

JC
 
Since I am already way past the century mark, I might need that cemetary long before my 41 more years are up! :)

Disneydiane
 
A classic, PamOKW!

Disney, if it could find a way, would sell points for that...

And some of us would be lining up to get in...

And the rest would worry and post messages trying to find out if the 7 month ressie window will work.
 
Are they already selling the cemetary shares onsite? Sign me up! There is a bit of space right next to Haunted Mansion that would make a splendid spot for a crematorium. ;)

Right behind WLV would be an excellent choice as well - peaceful, serene, lots of wildlife (missing from BWV) with that gorgeous lagoon nearby, and tha marina, and the best jacuzzi I have ever been in... my mourners would be very comfortable there. OKW is a close second. BWV wouldn't be quite right. ;)

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No no no...the city mice will want to be buried near the action! Put it smack-dab in the middle of MGM.
Location, location, location, the plots can be smaller but it'll be worth it!

(Could someone check my spelling on "smack-dab"?)

JC
 
That's it! Now you got it. I want to be one of those bricks that they lay to remember people by.
 
OMG, where are the DVC marketing guys when you need them, we are really onto something here! :D

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Wow, leave it to Rich to get a good thread going. But this is an important thread of discussion. The idea of 'value', OKW larger but farther out being equal to BWV smaller, but in the middle of the action is very valid. 'Value' is whatever we as individuals are willing to pay for something. Cost was also mentioned but I don't think was analyzed in full. It 'cost' Disney xxx dollars to build VWL resort. They only have so many rooms, and the seasons have to be the same across all resorts so you can calculate the total number of points the resort would have based on the rooms (studio, 1-br, 2-br) and the seasons, based on any initial point values you assign. You can then do a simple geometric regression to determine cost vs value. Let's say Disney perceived the 'value' as being equal to OKW and wanted to set the point scale the same as OKW. Doing the math then might show they would need to charge $80/point to recoup their costs. Since HH and VB are not sold out, it would be hard to justify $80/ point for new sales there. Obviously, if they left HH/VB at the old $67/point, and moved only VWL to $80/point, nobody would buy VWL but would buy HH/VB and expect to use the points elsewhere. (We've been down that road many times)

So Disney needs to keep the cost of points the same at all locations, HH/VB/VWL. This means, to get the total $$$'s they need to meet their costs, they have to require more total points so they can sell them at a lower price. So the progression might be to go 1 additional point/night higher than OKW, but that might only bring the selling point down to $79 each, still too high for HH and VB if they ever want to sell anymore of those. So you do the next step, and the next etc until you get the balance you need. When they got to the same point scale as BWV's they would probably have to stop because if it were higher, the 'value' to members of more points per night there than at OKW or BWV's might not be high enough to promote sales. So with a point scale stuck at no higher than the BWV's rate, they calculate their costs and determine the sales price has to go to $72, the largest one time jump ever. This may be the best 'value vs cost' combination that was available. Being newer than BWV's and probably more expensive to build, the VWL's costs were much higher and they had to do a balancing act.

Now the real question, which I believe is reflected in Rich's original post, is what will happen when BCV's are completed. My guess is that they can't justify charging more points per night than at BWV's as people will not perceive any greater 'value' there than at BWV. So they will have to raise the original purchase prices from the current $72/point. Of course, if HH and VB are not sold out by then, another price increase would hurt those sales even more.

It's probably a tough balancing act. But to have VWL's point structure lower than BWV's, which many of us would have probably considered a more equitable 'value', might have required a much higher point sale price than the raise they did have, and that would hurt sales at VWL, HH and VB combined.

Let's just hope they're watching their 'costs' on BCV's and this doesn't get out of hand where their 'costs' start to far exceed the 'value' the members 'personally' receive.

Caskbill
 
If HH and VB are not sold out by the time BCV comes on-line, they could simply come up with special MB programs like the one currently at VB to effectively lower the price at those resorts, and pretty much charge whatever they needed to (wanted to) for a point at BCV.
 
Caskbill:

Exactly my point. Value is NEVER a measure made in absolute terms, but rather a very subjective concept. If I can be at my favorite resort, away from the rush, not having to walk everywhere I want to go, just steps from my car, I don't care is the points cost twice as much, because at the end of the day (for me) they are by far the better VALUE!!

As to the cemetary sub=thread, I can't wait. I'm dying to get in on that deal! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Jon
 
teri, DIS Veteran wrote:
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Are they already selling the cemetary shares onsite? ...Right behind WLV would be an excellent choice as well - peaceful, serene, ..OKW is a close second.
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teri, are you saying WLV is dead and OKW is almost dead? Flame On - OKW is every bit as dead if not more so and Rich is looking for a Grand Villa (if the point scale isn’t too different than OKWs.)

You guys are Killing me with this DBC (Disney Burial Club) stuff.

I expect Disney will undertake it soon.

The Vero guides will make a killing.

Now we’ll never need lay to rest the towel discussions! :D

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Gosh, I almost forgot about Vero! Now that would be a lovely gravesite! As long as it isn't on the other side of the road, of course.

I just got back from 4 nights in a studio at heavenly OKW. I spent a few evenings soaking in the divine spa at the WLV as well. Not dead, oh no. Everlasting peace!! My idea of heaven on Earth! :D

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teri@iluvdisney.com
 
Okay, thanks Rich for your 'attempt' at answering my apparently annoying and, to you, somewhat stupid question. (Having now been on the receiving end, I can certainly see where people misinterpret your tone with your posts. I'm sure your intentions are, nonetheless, sincere) Really no need to get exasperated and annoyed. However, wading through all that, I was finally able to see your point.

But, I think my thanks goes more to LisaF for her consise, cogent, and insightful response. It was she that made me really understand your argument, to which, I agree, is cause for concern. Although being a new owner, my immediate reaction is...(yawn).

So, Rich, my intent was not to annoy you with my question, I really was obviously too dumb to understand it, and too lazy to sift through the plethora of posts to get the point. Please accept my apologies for randomizing you. Nevertheless, thanks for enlightening me, and keep up the good work with keeping DVC honest. It is appreciated.

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I changed my mind if I get into that Disney Burial Club, I want to be in the Haunted Mansion graveyard. The headstone would read:

Here lies drusba
a DVC member
His only regret
Is that he didn't get
To that last DVC December.?
 














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