Vaccine harassment

[Alicefan]

HIPAA has nothing to do with you voluntarily sharing your own medical information.

That's not at all what this thread is about though. The girl did not wish to discuss her plans with her boss while sitting there at the front desk. It's NOT his business because it's not a mandatory vaccine.

 

[StacyStrong]

That's not at all what this thread is about though. The girl did not wish to discuss her plans with her boss while sitting there at the front desk. It's NOT his business because it's not a mandatory vaccine.

It may not be mandatory, but that does not mean that an employer is not legally allowed to ask. You can refuse to respond, but you can also get fired.

Just because you don't think something is someone's business, doesn't mean they can't ask you about it.

 

[Makmak]

This is not a good world to pass down to your children.

And just to remind you, ALL the children have cell phones and they will record what you have done and post it for all to see.

sorry I just wanted to insert a little humor into the debate.

 

[Alicefan]

No one is forcing anyone to get the vaccine. This boss simply asked if his employees were going to get it. That's it. And yeah, the scientists DO pretty much agree at this point that being fully vaccinated means you will ALMOST NEVER spread the virus to anyone else. They have released several studies at this point that all show the same thing.

Wait, that's not it. The boss was not simply asking people. He was berating the girl he asked before her and giving her all kinds of crap and name calling because she said no. There was a little more to it.

 

[Alicefan]

This is NOT the same as the average quack anti-vaxxer, and it’s offensive to suggest that it is. Not being 100% comfortable with a new type of vaccine which has only been used on humans in very small numbers until now - and never with official FDA approval - is actually more rational than simply going along and assuming it’s totally fine because “science”, even though that same “science” is continually changing and realizing new things. {/Quote}

Yeah cos' let's face it, science also created all of those drugs we continuously see offering settlements to people who were injured by them as well. Nothing wrong with waiting and seeing when the list of side effects are a mile long on pretty much ALL of these scientifically created drugs that are pushed. Jumping in head first after years and years of seeing drugs constantly pulled from the market is far more questionable behavior to me.

 

[Alicefan]

Yikes. You don't have the constitutional right to a private business.

"Man, I don't want to wear a shirt into this grocery store! How dare they give people who wear shirts the right to enter this grocery store, but not me!"

It's funny you use that as your comparison because we are completely living in a time where we have to bow down to anyone and everyone who has a complaint like this. I won't be surprised in the least if a group of bare chested dudes start a club and revolt. lol

 

[Gf77]

You literally responded to a post about sea world and cruises stating that it gives people different freedoms and rights. It doesn't. It's the same as requiring someone to wear a shirt in a private business.

If you read the entire quote, he mentions that this is no different than requiring a flu shot at work. It is wildly different for a multitude of reasons that cognitive dissonance will not allow you to see. Are you saying you are ok with a world where people who have taken 20 vaccines have no access to work (right to make a living), public transportation (paid for with tax dollars), or grocery stores (I guess we can grow our own food, right?), but the people who have taken 21 vaccines will inherit the Earth? I'm going to leave it at this post, because we are not only from different states, we are likely from different universes of thought.

 

[leahgoogle]

And just to remind you, ALL the children have cell phones and they will record what you have done and post it for all to see.

sorry I just wanted to insert a little humor into the debate.

That’s the truth!!!

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Yikes. You don't have the constitutional right to a private business.

"Man, I don't want to wear a shirt into this grocery store! How dare they give people who wear shirts the right to enter this grocery store, but not me!"

Thank you, I couldn't figure out how to word my response.

 

[TwoMisfits]

Covid I think is less anti-vaxxers and more people falling into hesitancy that ordinarily wouldn't. There's a lot of people willing at least (not saying they do get it but are willing) to get the flu vaccine, get other immunizations but are iffy on this one. If you're really only talking about actual anti-vaxxers yes they typically are judged harshly by the majority. Covid vaccine on the other hand public health officials are treating this with more gentleness, rather than strong-arm tactics most are hoping to do more easing of fears, education and sympathy. I have to say I agree that for most people it's going to be the better way to get people to cross over.

I highlighted this, b/c I agree...the easiest way to cause someone who is nervous to dig their heels in is to tell them they have to do it...or else.

We'll get to herd immunity b/c we'll convince each other it's the right path, not b/c we'll make each other do it. And I know we'll get to herd immunity. I've posted that before, but it's worth remembering. This takes time - it was always gonna take time - and we're on the right path, and we're getting there.

Will we have hiccups, and some rude folks like this boss, and some worries - yes. But nothing great happens without a few bumps in the road, and we'll overcome the bumps and get to the finish line.

I know it's not totally on point, but it's worth repeating - we change minds through love, not hate. Kind words and actions, empathy, understanding...we'll get there b/c we support each other.

 

[Gf77]

Further, if you look at the media today, it is precisely the same commentators that are anti mask and anti vax that also think lightly of domestic violence and poo poo sexual assault and harassment even to the point of making fun of the victims

So let me make sure I have this right- If you're against masks and emergency use authorization vaccines, you're an evil person who thinks sexual assault and domestic violence are hilarious? That's a hot take.

 

[StacyStrong]

If you read the entire quote, he mentions that this is no different than requiring a flu shot at work. It is wildly different for a multitude of reasons that cognitive dissonance will not allow you to see. Are you saying you are ok with a world where people who have taken 20 vaccines have no access to work (right to make a living), public transportation (paid for with tax dollars), or grocery stores (I guess we can grow our own food, right?), but the people who have taken 21 vaccines will inherit the Earth? I'm going to leave it at this post, because we are not only from different states, we are likely from different universes of thought.

What I think the government *should* do and what I think a private business *can* do are two seperate things. This whole thread has been about private employers to which asking about or requiring vaccination are irrelevant to our constitutional rights (absent a medical or religious exemption).

Oh, and being able to differentiate between the two is not cognitive dissonance.

 

[amylevan]

If you read the entire quote, he mentions that this is no different than requiring a flu shot at work. It is wildly different for a multitude of reasons that cognitive dissonance will not allow you to see. Are you saying you are ok with a world where people who have taken 20 vaccines have no access to work (right to make a living), public transportation (paid for with tax dollars), or grocery stores (I guess we can grow our own food, right?), but the people who have taken 21 vaccines will inherit the Earth? I'm going to leave it at this post, because we are not only from different states, we are likely from different universes of thought.

You have the right to make a living doing anything legal - you do not have a right to force me to employ you if I decide to enforce a vaccine mandate ESPECIALLY if I decide that it is in my business’s best interest. See any number of businesses that already require flu shots.

Public transportation...well I’m not sure our right to public transportation is protected by the constitution. They make you buy a pass, do they not? If you can’t afford a ticket, you don’t ride. But nevertheless, I haven’t seen any vaccine mandates discussed for that yet.

Grocery stores, again, there are other ways to get food. Pick a different store, use curbside pickup, etc.

Not that I’m necessarily for vaccine mandates, but your argument has some flaws.

 

[HashberryOTG]

If one disagreement with the owner is grounds for her calling up the chain and making a hostile work environment claim, I wouldn't want her working for me. If privacy was her concern, she could have pulled him aside to explain she wasn't comfortable answering the question. This boss may be right or wrong about asking in the first place, I have no idea about the status of asking about vaccinations now-a-days, its all so crazy. But if she felt so strongly about it, she could have spoken up and had a more professional conversation about it instead of leaving early.

I think the calling her supervisor part is fine. That's what your supervisor is for. To guide you and answer questions. Tone, both hers and her bosses, is so subjective. He may have been just as offended by her tone as she was by his. Tone and a misplaced (if it is) question do not make for a hostile work environment. A harassment trend might.

 

[Gf77]

You have the right to make a living doing anything legal - you do not have a right to force me to employ you if I decide to enforce a vaccine mandate ESPECIALLY if I decide that it is in my business’s best interest. See any number of businesses that already require flu shots.

Public transportation...well I’m not sure our right to public transportation is protected by the constitution. They make you buy a pass, do they not? If you can’t afford a ticket, you don’t ride. But nevertheless, I haven’t seen any vaccine mandates discussed for that yet.

Grocery stores, again, there are other ways to get food. Pick a different store, use curbside pickup, etc.

Not that I’m necessarily for vaccine mandates, but your argument has some flaws.

Maybe we could even come up with some kind of symbol (maybe?) that would identify me at a glance as a non-Covid vaxxer. Something I wear on my clothing? Or maybe I can just carry a card that denotes me as this certain type of citizen that I need to produce every time I go into public. What do you think would be easier to implement? "I'm not necessarily for vaccine mandates, but if they did happen, you could always collect and recycle plastic bottles for a nickel as a living and eat day old bagels out of the bakery dumpster, you have so many choices. McDonald's dumpster, Burger King's dumpster, the choices are endless."

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

So let me make sure I have this right- If you're against masks and emergency use authorization vaccines, you're an evil person who thinks sexual assault and domestic violence are hilarious? That's a hot take.

I didn't say that at all. Nowhere did I say if you're against masks and anti vax you're an evil person. Nor did I say if you're against masks and anti vax you think domestic violence and sexual assault are hilarious. I hope I have cleared up any confusion. If not, feel free to PM me.

 

[dez1978]

Essentially we’ll have two classes of people. Those that vaccinated. And those that didn’t.

Those that don’t will be able to do less. We already see that with cruises and sea world in CA. This is our reality.

At work I don’t see how this is any different than a flu shot.

Lol at my job you get the flu shot or you don’t have a job. Period. I expect this to be the same by next year when the determine boosters are needed. Just like the monthly testing for Covid. Its now a condition of employment. Skip your testing, bam, fired. And I still don’t feel like that means it’s being forced on me. I’m completely able to choose another job somewhere else if I don’t want to comply.

 

[dez1978]

Maybe we could even come up with some kind of symbol (maybe?) that would identify me at a glance as a non-Covid vaxxer. Something I wear on my clothing? Or maybe I can just carry a card that denotes me as this certain type of citizen that I need to produce every time I go into public. What do you think would be easier to implement? "I'm not necessarily for vaccine mandates, but if they did happen, you could always collect and recycle plastic bottles for a nickel as a living and eat day old bagels out of the bakery dumpster, you have so many choices. McDonald's dumpster, Burger King's dumpster, the choices are endless."

My best friend is Jewish and super pro Covid vaccine and I think she’d be super pissed about this comparison of comparing business owners mandating vaccines to nazis.

 

[Gf77]

My best friend is Jewish and super pro Covid vaccine and I think she’d be super pissed about this comparison of comparing business owners mandating vaccines to nazis.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I've said, but on a side note, I'm actually not sorry that history offends you. It's very important that we never forget it. We probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in now if people picked up a book every now and then to read about how terrible humanity can be when nobody stands up for anyone else because "at least it's not them". I never thought that one day I'd have to argue with someone on the internet about why vaccine passports are bad and should be protested against by every single person on this planet. Yet here we are, vaccine passports are out in some places, and being developed in others, and we have people clutching their imaginary pearls over a historical comparison while simultaneously unironically screaming "private businesses can do what they want".

 

[StacyStrong]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I've said, but on a side note, I'm actually not sorry that history offends you. It's very important that we never forget it. We probably wouldn't be in the situation we're in now if people picked up a book every now and then to read about how terrible humanity can be when nobody stands up for anyone else because "at least it's not them". I never thought that one day I'd have to argue with someone on the internet about why vaccine passports are bad and should be protested against by every single person on this planet. Yet here we are, vaccine passports are out in some places, and being developed in others, and we have people clutching their imaginary pearls over a historical comparison while simultaneously unironically screaming "private businesses can do what they want".

Vaccine certificates ALREADY exist, so you should really pick up a book every now and then if you're going to berate other people for the knowledge you claim to have but seemingly choose to ignore.

"Historical comparison?" Man, equating actual, literal GENOCIDE in order to "ethnically cleanse" the world to a vaccine during a pandemic for the good of public health is.....quite a take. Have fun on that hill.