Vaccine - change of mind

[leahgoogle]

I haven't read anything about it getting weaker. I have read that it will remain prevalent in communities with low vaccination rates, which are pockets throughout the US. In some parts it's rural, and in other parts its urban. For example, the rural areas of AZ have higher vaccination rates than the metro areas. However, ID rural areas have much lower vaccination rates than their urban areas. NPR did a write up about this.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-common-cold-virus-future.html

 

[RamblingMad]

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-common-cold-virus-future.html

It basically says that if you get a mild case of it as a kid, you'll get a less severe case of it as an adult. But we don't know how long immunity lasts. And if you're an adult that hasn't had it, then you'll more likely have a severe case. This is making the case for getting vaccinated since as an adult you can't get it as a kid under the model circumstances. It doesn't become less severe unless you had it.

"Their model predicts that if SARS-CoV-2 becomes endemic, and future generations are primarily exposed during childhood, the virus "may be no more virulent than the common cold," the authors wrote. Once endemic, the virus's infection fatality ratio, or the number of people who die compared with those who are infected, will fall below that of the seasonal flu, the authors wrote."

 

[leahgoogle]

It basically says that if you get a mild case of it as a kid, you'll get a less severe case of it as an adult. But we don't know how long immunity lasts. And if you're an adult that hasn't had it, then you'll more likely have a severe case. This is making the case for getting vaccinated since as an adult you can't get it as a kid under the model circumstances. It doesn't become less severe unless you had it.

"Their model predicts that if SARS-CoV-2 becomes endemic, and future generations are primarily exposed during childhood, the virus "may be no more virulent than the common cold," the authors wrote. Once endemic, the virus's infection fatality ratio, or the number of people who die compared with those who are infected, will fall below that of the seasonal flu, the authors wrote."

Yes, that's after it becomes endemic in the future. It's based on what happened to other coronaviruses. They got weaker over time. My reply was to you saying that you hadn't read anything about it getting weaker. This says that maybe over time it will get weaker. Obviously, we have to wait and see.

 

[RamblingMad]

Yes, that's after it becomes endemic in the future. It's based on what happened to other coronaviruses. They got weaker over time. My reply was to you saying that you hadn't read anything about it getting weaker. This says that maybe over time it will get weaker. Obviously, we have to wait and see.

The virus doesn't get weaker. People's immune systems get stronger, so it's less severe. You still have to either get COVID and build a strong immune response, or you need to get vaccinated. And everyone that gets COVID doesn't build a strong immune response. And we don't know how long it lasts yet.

 

[disneyseniors]

No, haven't changed our minds.

 

[OKbyme]

I go back and forth on this. Until recently, I didn't qualify and even those who did couldn't get a shot. PA was horrendous in the beginning. I don't know if that was a federal gov't or a state, but it was bad. DS was high risk and couldn't find anything anywhere. Stalked the internet and couldn't even get him on a list. Finally did, when his employer offered them and he was able to get it there. I don't know if there is a state wide data base, but he never got called from any of the facilities where he was registered. He was my main concern.

My oldest works in long term nursing/rehab facility and it went through there like wildfire. By the time the vaccine got there, they had already started losing residents. Many died and quite a few of the nurses, aides, etc., contracted it as well. She showed a temp the day she was to get the vaccine, she got tested for Covid instead and they sent her home. By the time the results came back, they were no longer offering the shot. Test was negative, but she feels since she was exposed to so many with the virus, she probably had it.

Youngest also works outside the home. Every one of her co-workers have had it. She was never tested, but she thinks she had to have had it. They work in close contact and only wear a mask. She just qualified for the vaccine as well. She will be returning to college in the fall, so I expect she will get it.

Although I worry about long term and how this will all work for the youngest in our world going forward.

H is adamant he won't get it. Thinks we are all lemmings. And no, he isn't afraid of needles. He was one of those kids who was always in the hospital for stitches; his mom said she doesn't know how she survived his childhood.

I was signed up for it and then the news came out about the J&J, which I wanted to get due to the one shot. I had a very sever illness back in June of 2020. I had very high fever, was tested for Covid, no, and ended up in the hospital where they found my platelets had dropped to 40,000. Number of other issues as well. But reading about the low platelets issue with the J&J and even reports on VAERs with Moderna & Pfizer with blood platelet issues, I cancelled my appointment. Someone here even suggested I probably had Covid even if the test was negative. Anyway, we are on a holding pattern for now.

 

[JLTraveling]

I was signed up for it and then the news came out about the J&J, which I wanted to get due to the one shot. I had a very sever illness back in June of 2020. I had very high fever, was tested for Covid, no, and ended up in the hospital where they found my platelets had dropped to 40,000. Number of other issues as well. But reading about the low platelets issue with the J&J and even reports on VAERs with Moderna & Pfizer with blood platelet issues, I cancelled my appointment. Someone here even suggested I probably had Covid even if the test was negative. Anyway, we are on a holding pattern for now.

Please talk it over with your doctor. The platelet issues are so rare, and from everything I've read, a prior platelet issue isn't disqualifying (and the blood clot risk from Covid is sky high). But of course, I'm not a doctor and none of us are your doctor, so I would definitely seek medical guidance on this.

 

[Mrs. Ciz]

1. This is a new technology for a vaccine that has never been used on humans before.....fact

Obviously you get to decide what is best for your family, but I need to point out that your first item is false.

mRNA technology has been studied in clinical trials for cancer tumor vaccines and HAS been used on humans before the covid vaccine. When I did my deep dive research a few months ago, I found clinical trial info going back almost 20 years. I just did a quick google search and found this clinical trial for the mRNA cancer tumor vaccine from 2014. There is so much misinformation out there. People need to be truly informed.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/hv.29553

 

[disney4us2002]

Nope.

 

[leahgoogle]

Obviously you get to decide what is best for your family, but I need to point out that your first item is false.

mRNA technology has been studied in clinical trials for cancer tumor vaccines and HAS been used on humans before the covid vaccine. When I did my deep dive research a few months ago, I found clinical trial info going back almost 20 years. I just did a quick google search and found this clinical trial for the mRNA cancer tumor vaccine from 2014. There is so much misinformation out there. People need to be truly informed.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/hv.29553

Fair enough, but clinical trials are different than mass production. There has never been an mRNA vaccine used commercially to this scale. This gives me pause.

 

[OKbyme]

Please talk it over with your doctor. The platelet issues are so rare, and from everything I've read, a prior platelet issue isn't disqualifying (and the blood clot risk from Covid is sky high). But of course, I'm not a doctor and none of us are your doctor, so I would definitely seek medical guidance on this.

Unfortunately, I lost a lot of faith in the medical community last summer. The first ER I went to sent me home with a prescription for some antacids! My Dr called me early the next morning and told me to get to the ER immediately as my platelets at the first ER were at 50,000. Dr couldn't believe they sent me home.

By the time I got to the ER, different hospital, my platelets were at 40,000. I also had an irregular heart rhythm, inflamed liver, and duodenum. They somehow missed a bacterial UTI. When I got sent home I felt a little better but then within a 2 week period I was sicker than I had ever been. 103 degree temperature and was being sent to the ER 2 or 3 times a week. They would give me some fluids, the same medication, and I told them I had been on it already, but home they sent me. By the time they realized I wasn't getting the correct medication, I was on the verge of sepsis.

I think Covid world was just way overwhelming for so many in the medical community, but I am now more hesitant to trust what anyone is telling me. So still in a wait and see mode right now.

 

[JLTraveling]

Unfortunately, I lost a lot of faith in the medical community last summer. The first ER I went to sent me home with a prescription for some antacids! My Dr called me early the next morning and told me to get to the ER immediately as my platelets at the first ER were at 50,000. Dr couldn't believe they sent me home.

By the time I got to the ER, different hospital, my platelets were at 40,000. I also had an irregular heart rhythm, inflamed liver, and duodenum. They somehow missed a bacterial UTI. When I got sent home I felt a little better but then within a 2 week period I was sicker than I had ever been. 103 degree temperature and was being sent to the ER 2 or 3 times a week. They would give me some fluids, the same medication, and I told them I had been on it already, but home they sent me. By the time they realized I wasn't getting the correct medication, I was on the verge of sepsis.

I think Covid world was just way overwhelming for so many in the medical community, but I am now more hesitant to trust what anyone is telling me. So still in a wait and see mode right now.

I'm so sorry to hear all that. It's similar to what happened to my Dad a few years ago when we were moving from Orlando to New Orleans. He started having some random fevers/chills/back pain that would come and go. Went to the ER in Orlando a couple times, they didn't find anything and sent him home. By the time we got to New Orleans he was SICK. But it was flu season and the shot was only like 15% effective that year, so we thought it might be that. About a week later, he told me to call 911 because he could barely breathe. He was in full septic shock by that point. ER doctor said he would have had maybe another hour to live. They treated the sepsis, found and treated an ulcer, gave him blood transfusions. Finally released about 10 days later, feeling MUCH better. Doctor called a few days later....turns out he had a trapped kidney stone that they had completely missed! Chances of sepsis recurring were extremely high. Surgery two days after that, and he's been fine ever since. The medical world can definitely be a mess sometimes.

 

[mousefan73]

I have actually known quite a few people who originally said no and only recently have changed their minds and have registered themselves. My mother overheard a group of younger people in town saying they are now going to get a shot because they want to go on vacation sometime soon. That has actually less to do with what requirements may be a bit more the fact you do feel more comfortable traveling if you know you’re protected.

 

[kanerf]

While I doubt that the US government will impose travel restrictions based on not being vaccinated there is nothing that will prevent private companies from doing so. Vaccination will be required to go on cruises and possibly for international travel. Some other countries may require proof of vaccination for entry.

I never had a desire to avoid the vaccination. I have a number of comorbidities that make getting the virus very dangerous for me. I have received both Moderna shots and it has now been over two weeks since the last one so I am fully vaccinated and should be at very low risk of getting sick from COVID-19.

 

[Suger Mag]

I admit initially back in 2020, I was a little apprehensive about when and how the vaccines would be rolled out. But seeing the process unfold made me MUCH more comfortable and I (and my husband) were very happy to get vaxxed (Pfiizer) as soon as we were eligible... we did not have a choice, but I was pleased as Pfizer was my preferred... my hubs could have cared less lol. My mom 88 also got Pfizer as soon as she was elgible. I have been fortunate that during the pandemic that I have had my family (Mom, Hubby and Kids all living under one roof). The last two members of my immediete family (my college student kids) are scheduled for Moderna #1 this week... i will exhale after those shots are done....

 

[Dano the Pirate]

Still a firm no to any vaccines here.
i might change my mind if the gov would stop moving the goals.

 

[Colleen27]

While I doubt that the US government will impose travel restrictions based on not being vaccinated there is nothing that will prevent private companies from doing so. Vaccination will be required to go on cruises and possibly for international travel. Some other countries may require proof of vaccination for entry.

Not "may". Will. Greece and Iceland are reopening to vaccinated American tourists, and France's president just recently said they're looking at how to do the same. The vaccine is going to be a must-have for anyone looking to travel internationally in the near future.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not "may". Will. Greece and Iceland are reopening to vaccinated American tourists, and France's president just recently said they're looking at how to do the same. The vaccine is going to be a must-have for anyone looking to travel internationally in the near future.

There's a list of countries that are be doing this. Either for straight up travel or for travel without quarantine or restrictions. Being vaccinated will def. open more travel opportunities for people in the short term at least because I have no idea how long these countries will stay the course of using vaccination.

On the other hand the CDC has added a ton of countries (I believe 180 or so) on a do not travel/level 4 list so I think if anyone is looking to travel international needs to look at that list and they need to weigh their options, vaccination or not.

 

[AvidDisReader]

I mentioned I was originally a firm no. I have had open heart surgery and have heart disease. I was worried the vaccine could have an adverse effect on me. So, I asked my cardiologist. He told me he was one of the original test subjects on the Pfizer vaccine. He was very knowledgeable on the vaccine and the risks. It was his strong recommendation that was the final sway on getting vaccinated. So for what it is worth, all those on the fence, the recommendation from an educated physician, please get vaccinated.

 

[adkkev]

Still a firm no to any vaccines here.
i might change my mind if the gov would stop moving the goals.

As the science regarding COVID19 changes as more research is done, then one might have to expect some changes with regards to “goals”. Is it sometimes herky jerky? Absolutely.