Vaccine- Autism link proven to be a FRAUD!

[Leajess99]

Are the moms on here blasting people that make their own choices about vaccinating or not actually studying autism? Are the people without autistic kids saying people need to get over vaccines studying it? Are the people blasting Jenny McCarthy (for all the wrong reasons) studying it? Um no. I'm saying people w/o an autistic child shouldn't say anything about it bc their kid is fine. Or say a mom that thinks it did cause her child's autism is wrong. Again - unless it was your child that was fine on Monday, had the shots on Tuesday, and was forever changed on Wednesday - you shouldn't judge.

The money being wasted on these continued studies could be used to find help and awareness for children and adults with Autism. A parent can think whatever they want but there is NOT a single study that shows a correlation. I still don't buy that in a 3 day period a child all of a sudden is autistic. I'm sorry but chances are there were signs previously but they very well were missed.

 

[MommyBell08]

No one can give you those facts BECAUSE vaccines don't CURE disease they PREVENT it!!!

I have "cure" in quotes because I was quoting what that poster had previously said in another post. And you can't say that vaccinations prevent disease like it is an absolute, unless you have something to tell me I have yet to hear.


Ok.. Bed time

 

[princessmom29]

Why can't we just respect each others reasons and decisions to vaccinate or not vaccinate and call it a day.
Because let's face it, those who chose not to vaccinate have done their research and based on that information (both pros and cons about vaccines) they decided it would be best for their child to abstain from vaccinations. The same goes for those who decide to have their child vaccinated.
I wouldn't look down or make someone feel badly for vaccinating/not vaccinating their child, their child, their choice.

because thier decisions effects everyone else, not just thier own children. When we as a society get to the point that mass immunity is gone we are going to be in huge trouble. Diseases we have never had to deal with will rear their ugly heads agian, and there is the potential for them to mutate and put us right back at square one, developing new vaccines. It looks like we may get to that point soon with e new meseals outbreak amoung the unvaccinated in Great Britian. It is highly unlikely for there to be a major strain mutation as long as mass immunity is in plcae in most of the developed world, but unfortunately, we are losing that in some places. Take that away, and God help us.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Except when their choice endangers me and mine! then it isn't all hunky dory, sorry.

When the un vaccinated become a health hazard in this country then it is my business. And nothing else then when the un vaccinated get sick they are taking health care resources that add to the economic burden of the country.

Seriously, just lay off, your not going to get anyone on this board to change what they believe. It upsets me when words like "selfish" and "neglect" get thrown around when it comes to vaccines and children. We're all parents here, we all want whats best for our children, we all are doing what we think is right in terms of their health and well being, even if it is something totally different.

 

[princessmom29]

Amazing how someone could think that they need all this toxic crap injected into their bloodstream to keep them healthy

"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" - Dr. Len Horowitz

Oh, yea, he is an unbiased source! Totally!

 

[princessmom29]

Seriously, just lay off, your not going to get anyone on this board to change what they believe. It upsets me when words like "selfish" and "neglect" get thrown around when it comes to vaccines and children. We're all parents here, we all want whats best for our children, we all are doing what we think is right in terms of their health and well being, even if it is something totally different.

Sorry, but like it or not what one parent does in terms of vaccines does in fact effect the health and safety of other's children. If I can just make someone think about it, it is one step closer to making all children safer. I know no one here is budging, but mabye someone on the fence will see this and think twice about not vaccinating. I think I have done everything I can do to that end here. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.

 

[jodifla]

Seriously, just lay off, your not going to get anyone on this board to change what they believe. It upsets me when words like "selfish" and "neglect" get thrown around when it comes to vaccines and children. We're all parents here, we all want whats best for our children, we all are doing what we think is right in terms of their health and well being, even if it is something totally different.

Here's the thing: Once the herd immunity is gone and an outbreak occurs, all bets are off. These folks so happy about their non-vaccinating status and spouting off incredibly unscientific facts are going to be in for a world of trouble if they convince enough people to join them in their little fiasco.

Because if an outbreak occurs, and thousands of children start dying, people are going to turn on those who lead us down the road to ruin of non-vaccination in this country.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

Sorry, but like it or not what one parent does in terms of vaccines does in fact effect the health and safety of other's children. If I can just make someone think about it, it is one step closer to making all children safer. I know no one here is budging, but mabye someone on the fence will see this and think twice about not vaccinating.

Well...enjoy bashing those who have decided not to vaccinate to make your point.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

there are risks in life we can avoid and risks we can't; the INCALCUABLE risk to our children of vaccine-induced injuries, permanent damage, & death *are entirely avoidable* by rejecting vaccines...and... a rapidly growing number of parents are choosing to avoid them. That doesn't make them irresponsible, it means they have made a considered choice responsibly. Until vaccines are tested for safety in the combinations in which they are actually given to children, it is entirely irresponsible - not to mention unethical - to *blindly assume* the practice is harmless.

 

[Scurvy]

Oh, yea, he is an unbiased source! Totally!

Isn't he the nutcase conspiracy-theorist dentist who thinks the US created HIV so they could commit genocide and that the H1N1 vaccine was supposed to make Muslims sterile?

 

[jodifla]

Sorry, but like it or not what one parent does in terms of vaccines does in fact effect the health and safety of other's children. If I can just make someone think about it, it is one step closer to making all children safer. I know no one here is budging, but mabye someone on the fence will see this and think twice about not vaccinating. I think I have done everything I can do to that end here. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.

What's really sad is their "success" will be their downfall (and everyone else's.)

 

[jodifla]

there are risks in life we can avoid and risks we can't; the INCALCUABLE risk to our children of vaccine-induced injuries, permanent damage, & death *are entirely avoidable* by rejecting vaccines...and... a rapidly growing number of parents are choosing to avoid them. That doesn't make them irresponsible, it means they have made a considered choice responsibly. Until vaccines are tested for safety in the combinations in which they are actually given to children, it is entirely irresponsible - not to mention unethical - to *blindly assume* the practice is harmless.

All the "sources" you quote are scientifically inaccurate. It's embarrassing that you quote them. There's no convincing you; unfortunately, you will have to learn the hard way.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

http://hopefromholly.com/blog/our-purpose/

These parents lives were forever changed after their daughter received her MMR booster, I couldn't even imagine! They have fought to have this law implemented in NJ and won.

 

[jodifla]

http://hopefromholly.com/blog/our-purpose/

These parents lives were forever changed after their daughter received her MMR booster, I couldn't even imagine! They have fought to have this law implemented in NJ and won.

This is a sad story. Vaccinations, like ALL MEDICINES, including ASPIRIN, have potentially deadly side effects. In each case of my son's vaccines, I was given a paper with ALL the possible side effects and things to watch for written on it.

I don't think any vaccine supporter will say there are NO potential risks. There are with every medicine. But the vaccine haters only have the luxury of focusing on the vaccine because there isn't an epidemic wiping out children by the thousands sweeping the nation.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

This is a sad story. Vaccinations, like ALL MEDICINES, including ASPIRIN, have potentially deadly side effects. In each case of my son's vaccines, I was given a paper with ALL the possible side effects and things to watch for written on it.

I don't think any vaccine supporter will say there are NO potential risks. There are with every medicine. But the vaccine haters only have the luxury of focusing on the vaccine because there isn't an epidemic wiping out children by the thousands sweeping the nation.

It is a very sad story. As I mentioned before when my daughter had her 1st round she had the fever of almost 104 for 3 days , stared blankly for a week thereafter and did nothing but lay on the couch. My daughter will play and jump around when she's sick, there's no stopping her, but this behavior scared me. Because of this reason, and not knowing what may have happened after her booster and doing research I opted to not have her re-vaccinated. I don't think my reasoning for not re-vaccinating her is selfish or neglectful.

 

[Leajess99]

I am fiarly certian this is being workied on with reference to two or three specific enviormental toxins at one of the top medical colleges. Dartmouth mabye?

I so hope so. I honestly have been tired of hearing the hoopla that the vaccinations cause autism. The money spent on all these other studies very well should be spent in finding better programs and awareness and whatnot to those with Autism.


We learned a lot and had to watch videos of families dealing with autism and not one of the parents blamed vaccinations. The sad thing is that there are so many diseases, illnesses, and behavior disorders that affect children and we may never know the cause of all of them.

 

[Leajess99]

http://hopefromholly.com/blog/our-purpose/

These parents lives were forever changed after their daughter received her MMR booster, I couldn't even imagine! They have fought to have this law implemented in NJ and won.

The little girl died from encephalopathy which could be cause from many different things per http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/encephalopathy/encephalopathy.htm. "Encephalopathy may be caused by infectious agent (bacteria, virus, or prion), metabolic or mitochondrial dysfunction, brain tumor or increased pressure in the skull, prolonged exposure to toxic elements (including solvents, drugs, radiation, paints, industrial chemicals, and certain metals), chronic progressive trauma, poor nutrition, or lack of oxygen or blood flow to the brain. The hallmark of encephalopathy is an altered mental state. " Unfortunately this little girl's death may or may not have been caused by the MMR. I am so sorry for her parents but encephalopathy could happen in any number of instances. And Mitochondrial disease is quite hard to diagnose. Just ask the parents who have been dealing with the myriad of symptons their kids have.

 

[Leajess99]

It is a very sad story. As I mentioned before when my daughter had her 1st round she had the fever of almost 104 for 3 days , stared blankly for a week thereafter and did nothing but lay on the couch. My daughter will play and jump around when she's sick, there's no stopping her, but this behavior scared me. Because of this reason, and not knowing what may have happened after her booster and doing research I opted to not have her re-vaccinated. I don't think my reasoning for not re-vaccinating her is selfish or neglectful.

This is understandable. I would be freaked and probably sitting in the ER with my child with that high of a fever and lethargic behavior. You stated you had the titer checked so you know your child has an immunity to it.

Did you know that your child or yourself can suddenly become allergic to something that you have consumed or used for years?? There are risks to everything but we can't stop eating or drinking or stop taking meds, etc.

 

[TinkInPink]

Come on, please. There is no concrete proof that vaccinations prevent disease, if there was there would be no debating the topic.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry....

Dr. Edward Jenner (the father of Immunology) is rolling in his grave. The lack of knowledge of basic human biology, let alone the scientific method, by the general public is both sad and a shame.

And now a quick biology lesson.
Your bodies defenses seek out bad germs(bacteria/viruses/fungi etc) and destroys them. It then keeps a record of how it killed the bad germs. When you receive a vaccination it is either a dead or severely weakened form of the germ. Your body then fights off this dead or weak form of the bad germ, which it can easily kill, and then stores a record of how it killed these bad germs. Later on in life when you're exposed to the real, not weakened, and DEADLY form of the germ your body checks it's records and sees that it has fought the germ before. It then pulls out this record, and uses the information from the last time it fought the same sort of germ to kill the germ.

THIS WORKS! It is exactly the same process as when your body fights a germ that you have not been vaccinated for (say a cold, or bacteria in a cut that could cause an infection). But the diseases that we are vaccinated for are especially hard to fight off and have HORRIFIC side effects like encephalitis. Our bodies need all the help they can get.

But no, let's base life or death decisions on emotions alone. If I eventually have children they won't be wearing seat belts in cars because there is a slim chance that the seat belt could actually cause them to break their necks if there were a crash.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

This is understandable. I would be freaked and probably sitting in the ER with my child with that high of a fever and lethargic behavior. You stated you had the titer checked so you know your child has an immunity to it.

Did you know that your child or yourself can suddenly become allergic to something that you have consumed or used for years?? There are risks to everything but we can't stop eating or drinking or stop taking meds, etc.

Yes I do, DD is allergic to peanuts and could go into anaphalactic shock upon consumption, I know the world of FA all too well. So I look it vaccines in the same way. Would I ever give DD peanut butter knowing she is allergic to it, knowing that she could stop breathing? No! Which is why I wouldn't give her the MMR vaccine again, even if the titer didn't prove immunity I wouldn't have. This is nothing that would prove of disprove that she would have a similar or worse reaction.