Vaccinations

[grlpwrd]

Also - here's a board (much like the DIS). Theres a TON of parenting stuff - some rather 'different' IMO....

BUT - in any case, you can find quite a few links and articles, and doctors in your area (if you choose to delay vac's):

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47&order=desc

I love that site.

They have a whole board and archives dedicated to this topic.

 

[3jsmommy]

It is called Scientific Principles and understanding them! Or shall we return to the dark ages and go by what everyone "believes" is true because they have not experienced it. I guess the world is flat because I think so , I mean I've never been into orbit to know for sure. AHHHHHHHH! where's the hitting my head against the wall smilie.

I know it is reassuring to think there are some sweet little men in white coats somewhere trying to save the world w/ their medicine.....they don't exist.
The reason I do not trust all of the "Scientific evidence" is because I believe these parents who think the vacc.'s played a role in autism.
After seeing the power of marketing & damage control drug companies have first hand, I will always research any med. that I give my kids & I will vacc. at my own rate according to the risks I understand.
I attended an FDA meeting on SSRI's & children. (antidepressants & the link to child suicide & self harm, & violent behavior)
Congress had demanded the FDA review these drugs again due to the epidemic of children & teens harming themselves on them. Some of these kids were only 11 or 12, lots were prescribed them "off label" for things like Ly mes disease, insomnia, anxiety, social awkwardness.
This meeting was held in a large D.C. hotel.
There was press there to cover both sides.
Every doctor that stood up in defense of these drugs was somehow on the drug companies payroll, we knew this because before each one spoke they HAD to state their connection, usually they were the head of a "foundation" for depression or paid large sums to speak at conventions to promote the drugs.
The doctors & family members speaking out against the drugs were not being paid to be there.
During the conference the FDA had set up rules about any press conferences or interviews, they needed to be held in a hotel conference room. This was new as last year at the smaller conf. they could interview us anywhere, alcove, sidewalk...
So when the press found out this info that day & tried to hold some rooms, all of them had been "reserved" by the Drug companies, it seems like their friends at the FDA had let them in on the new rule the day before.
The FDA was forced to hold this conf. & it was showing that they dropped the ball, they were doing some damage control it seemed.
Of the 6 rooms all but one were EMPTY, but could not be used, there were security guards employed by different drug companies at the doors of these rooms.

My mom was still on the evening news nationally on NBC, but it was a segment of her 2 min. speech. (all the time allowed per parent)
Two heads of these committees soon after left their posts and got Wonderful positions w/ Big Pharma. One of the mothers who spoke was a neighbor of one of theses doctors (had daughters in the same private middle school), it was interesting when she asked him during her speech if he remembered the day he helped to hid these findings as well as he remembered the day his daughter lost her friend.
No wonder the FDA or the Drug companies, Pfizer, Glaxo,etc.. didn't want you to hear those stories.
This is just one very small example of the way things work in the pharmaceutical industry, & the money that sways these organizations that are put into place to protect the public.
I am not some crazy radical person & I will vacc. my kids, on my own schedule. I do believe in medicine & wonderful doctors, (my BIL is a cardiologist) but I have seen the way things work & the power of these billion $$ companies.
I already posted this link, but i am doing it again if anyone has doubt still about "scientific facts" & where those facts are coming from. thttp://www.newstarget.com/011764.html
I saw my ped. yesterday for my 3rd sons 1 year well check & she totally understood my concern & told me to delay if I would like & she is breaking the MMR into 3 doses when he gets it.
She is a very highly respected & cautious Ped. who respects my decision, I am not being selfish or irresponsible, uninformed or careless.

 

[Hannathy]

Niece dead. Husband's first cousin deaf. My first cousin deaf...all documented catastrophic reactions to immunizations. Friend's child dead. Cousin in law's child a polio victim. From the immunization. These aren't just random statistics. These were/are real people in my immediate circle.

I don't appreciate the out of context quoting, Thank You.

I was referring to children dieing from diseases from NOT immunizing. I am very much pro immunization. With those statistically amazing reactions in your circle of acquaintances you should be playing the lottery more. Those are astonishing odds.

 

[meandtheguys2]

I don't appreciate the out of context quoting, Thank You.

I was referring to children dieing from diseases from NOT immunizing. I am very much pro immunization. With those statistically amazing reactions in your circle of acquaintances you should be playing the lottery more. Those are astonishing odds.

Yeah, next time the lottery is for death and suffering I'll give it a shot. What a sad and rude comment.

I know you were talking of children dieing from not immunizing. I was pointing out the same problems I have seen and lived with from immunizing.

I didn't know it was a requirement to put in the full quote.

 

[crz4mm2]

When DS was little, I just did what the doc told me (we saw a ped for the first 9 months and then went to the family practice doc). When he got the DPT vaccine at about 12 months he had a pretty bad reaction.... In fact, he had a pretty rough time breathing (but I didn't really recognize it) during the night. I called a friend, who was a nurse, the next morning and talked to her about it. She told me to call the doctor, which I did, and he had me bring him in. He had a huge localized reaction too, but by that time was breathing ok and the doc said to just watch him.
When it came time for the next DPT injection, there had been some reports in the news and magazines about brain injuries etc possibly related to immunizations (DS is now 27 ). I said to the doc, "I don't want him to have the P part of the vaccine". I felt very strongly that it was the Pertussis vaccine that caused my son's reaction and I was not going to allow him to have it again. I know that whooping cough is very dangerous, but I was extremely worried about possible side effects.
The doc tried to poo poo my concerns. He didn't think there was a problem and tried to talk me into it. I said "well, if he has another reaction and is permanently disabled then YOU will be responsible for him for the rest of his life". He ordered the vaccine without the pertussis for him
He did not have a reaction with the next vaccine.
DD had even more vaccines than DS did (she is 20) and I actually discussed it with her doctor at the time. We spaced them out more.
I think you have to do a little of your own research and be happy with your own decisions. I believe in vaccines. I recommend vaccines to my patients. I have seen what can happen from disease without immunity.
I know that some feel autism can be caused from vaccines. I don't know if it is or not. I only know that people die from diseases that vaccines prevent.

 

[ZuZugal]

I'm wondering what would happen if all the parents of the world stopped vaccinating their kids.

I know it's a personal choice, but I can't help but feel that those who choose not to vac are banking on those of us that do.

Very well said Steph. I agree. It's called herd immunity. (And I don't think there are nearly as many of us in the "herd" as there used to be)

 

[3jsmommy]

I don't appreciate the out of context quoting, Thank You.

I was referring to children dieing from diseases from NOT immunizing. I am very much pro immunization. With those statistically amazing reactions in your circle of acquaintances you should be playing the lottery more. Those are astonishing odds.

I have a large family & unfortunately I have lost many people I love...do you think that I'm lucky also..I cannot imagine questioning or poking fun at another persons tradgedy.

 

[Hannathy]

Sorry I stick with my statement. The risk from immunizations is low and to have that many people that severely injured from immunizations is statistically as rare as winning the lottery for millions that often.

The risk from immunizations is still much lower than the risk form getting those diseases.

 

[meandtheguys2]

It still was rude. To equate our losses that way was callous at best.

As the geneticist stated in our case, due to familial history, our statistics and our risk was much higher than the average. Thus our decision.

As far as people I personally know, excluding the autism folks, if I included clients, and students I've dealt with personally the numbers would be higher. A 1/2 dozen of the deaf kids I have had are a result of vaccines. OTOH, another dozen were the result of meningitis. People have to make the decisions that best protect their families.

 

[Minniemouse07]

The risk from immunizations is still much lower than the risk form getting those diseases.

BUT the risk of getting the disease AND having it be a "serious" or "deadly" case of it... is LOWER than the risk of having a reaction to the immunization!

 

[disney4us2002]

I have not read all 20 pages but I've repeatedly read posts where parents actually WANT their children exposed to chicken pox and want them to get the disease rather than the shot. I have to ask why? Why would any parent want their children to suffer unnecessarily? Did you have cp? Do you remember it? It isn't usually life-threatening but it is still pretty miserable. My oldest son, now 18, got cp at 13 months. At that time there was no immunization or it was just beginning. He was miserable. It is a terrible thing to watch your child be ill and know there is really nothing you can do to make it better.

When the 2nd and 3rd sons came along, I vaccinated. I don't get why anyone would choose to watch their child be sick.

 

[Hannathy]

BUT the risk of getting the disease AND having it be a "serious" or "deadly" case of it... is LOWER than the risk of having a reaction to the immunization!

Please show me the numbers, I don't believe this.

The Polio statistics and effects alone would totally skew the results. Residential school used to be full of people with "handicaps" from childhood diseases and they rarely even exist today. Show me the proof and I will believe it.

 

[mickeyboat]

One statistic I saw yesterday (I think it was from Dr. Greens's website) suggests that 2,000 people die every year from chicken pox.

There is NO proven scientific link between vaccinations and autism.

I think the situation where there has been some past medical history or family history to suggest that vaccinations are not as safe for an individual as they are for the general population, is different than the situation where where someone refuses to vaccinate when there is no such link.

Denae

 

[Nikel]

Sorry I stick with my statement. The risk from immunizations is low and to have that many people that severely injured from immunizations is statistically as rare as winning the lottery for millions that often.

The risk from immunizations is still much lower than the risk form getting those diseases.

Do you think the risk from the immunization is still lower after a child has had a serious reaction? Do you honestly think that after my dd became unresponsive and stopped breathing for a short period of time the same afternoon a few hours after her vaccinations, along with a golf ball sized lump in her leg that lasted about 2 weeks, that it's perfectly safe for her to continue with the series? Honestly? Because I feel you are being extremely flippant and callous about the lives of the children that have had reactions.

 

[CEDmom]

Do you think the risk from the immunization is still lower after a child has had a serious reaction? Do you honestly think that after my dd became unresponsive and stopped breathing for a short period of time the same afternoon a few hours after her vaccinations, along with a golf ball sized lump in her leg that lasted about 2 weeks, that it's perfectly safe for her to continue with the series? Honestly? Because I feel you are being extremely flippant and callous about the lives of the children that have had reactions.

But your experience is very rare and I think exceptions have to be and are in place for these rare occurances. However, the vast majority of parents who choose not to vaccinate aren't in your position. They'd just rather listen to hysterics than scientific data.

 

[Hannathy]

But your experience is very rare and I think exceptions have to be and are in place for these rare occurances. However, the vast majority of parents who choose not to vaccinate aren't in your position. They'd just rather listen to hysterics than scientific data.

Thank You! Yes if your child had a serious reaction you would act accordingly, but most don't and you can't risk the entire country's safety on hysterics.

 

[jodifla]

For those of you who aren't vaccinating, enjoy your "choice" while it lasts.

Because with the first pandemic, your "choice" will be out the window, as quick as we can say "Gitmo."

And, expect to be personally blamed for your choice in allowing terrible diseases to find their way back into the daily lives of America's children. All because you read a bunch of conspiracy theory Web sites.

 

[Nikel]

But your experience is very rare and I think exceptions have to be and are in place for these rare occurances. However, the vast majority of parents who choose not to vaccinate aren't in your position. They'd just rather listen to hysterics than scientific data.

That doesn't change the fact that myself and at least one other poster on this thread have had serious reactions in our family. We've expressed this. Yet we're still hearing how horrible non-vaxers are (do I get bonus points, since we vaxed prior to the reaction?) and we're basically causing the end of civilization. It's really getting old to have our experiences dismissed and continue to read how horrible we are.

For those of you who aren't vaccinating, enjoy your "choice" while it lasts.

Because with the first pandemic, your "choice" will be out the window, as quick as we can say "Gitmo."

And, expect to be personally blamed for your choice in allowing terrible diseases to find their way back into the daily lives of America's children. All because you read a bunch of conspiracy theory Web sites.

Have you even read anything in here? I am not basing my decision on anything I've read on the internet. I'm basing on on the fact that my dd had a serious and scary reaction to the 4 month round of vaxes. I really don't think I can say anything else without risking points. I'm really getting upset at the attitude that I should just off my dd for the greater good.

 

[Laura]

That doesn't change the fact that myself and at least one other poster on this thread have had serious reactions in our family. We've expressed this. Yet we're still hearing how horrible non-vaxers are (do I get bonus points, since we vaxed prior to the reaction?) and we're basically causing the end of civilization. It's really getting old to have our experiences dismissed and continue to read how horrible we are.

I don't see anyone dismissing your experience. People understand that some children have bad reactions to vaccines and refraining from continuing vaccinations is considered sensible in your sort of situation. More than one person has posted that. What you are reacting to is posters who are commenting on people who refrain from vaccinations for reasons that don't include valid concerns about serious reactions.

 

[LadyShiva]

For those of you who aren't vaccinating, enjoy your "choice" while it lasts.

Because with the first pandemic, your "choice" will be out the window, as quick as we can say "Gitmo."

And, expect to be personally blamed for your choice in allowing terrible diseases to find their way back into the daily lives of America's children. All because you read a bunch of conspiracy theory Web sites.

I honestly don't think this post applies in your situation, Nikel.

Nikel, which vaccine series did your child react to? Were you and your pediatrician, cardiologist, and (one other med professional, help me out here!) able to figure out if it was an additive or the dead virus or your child's immunological response that triggered the reaction?

From your refusal to try any other vaccinations, I'm thinking you believe it might be your child's immunological response that was the problem? Is that correct? Did they do a blood draw to determine histamine or white blood cell levels?

Also, did you report the reaction officially to the website I gave you earlier?

Thanks in advance!
Brandie