UV filters

It's not that, it's that there's only so much room in there, and as new stuff comes in, old stuff necessarily falls out, usually in fragments... so I remember that I read something but don't remember the details. The human brain is maddeningly imprecise and unreliable. :confused:

I'm convinced that it is like a pc, new data over writes old:thumbsup2
 
Did you ever read any of the "B*stard Operator from Hell" columns? (Currently hosted at The Register, and Disboards blocks the "real" title!) I like his "stack" analogy, which is usually used as a way to overwhelm the boss' brain. Throw a bunch of nonsense technical terms at the boss, his stack gets higher and higher until he experiences stack overflow, at which point the BOFH can then feed the boss any information he wants and the brain will not question it in any way.

One of the most frustrating things about the brain is that I know that if in a few years, I'm not into photography as much as I am at the moment, I'm going to forget a lot of what I know now... much of it will be outdated by then anyway, but I'd still prefer to be able to hang on to everything.

I need a NAS for my head!
 
I need a NAS for my head!

the sectors just go bad with time.

If you have ever had to deal with someone that had a stroke, then it really gets bizzare.

My dad could read something, 5 minutes later, he couldn't tell you what he just read, but 5 days later he would remember it.
 

If I'm not mistaken, even IR lenses don't make infrared light visible. They just block visible light and let IR light through. IR film (which needs to be refridgerated) is sensitive to IR light. The film and the developing technique convert the IR to visible light.

I'm pretty sure that there are UV filters that also block visible light and let UV through. I guess they are more like anti-UV filters.

I'm not sure that any of this is relevant to digital photography. Is someone making IR or UV sensitive sensors? I guess those night shot modes on some camcorders are IR sensitive, but I've never seen that used for pictures.
 
If I'm not mistaken, even IR lenses don't make infrared light visible. They just block visible light and let IR light through. IR film (which needs to be refridgerated) is sensitive to IR light. The film and the developing technique convert the IR to visible light.

I'm pretty sure that there are UV filters that also block visible light and let UV through. I guess they are more like anti-UV filters.

I'm not sure that any of this is relevant to digital photography. Is someone making IR or UV sensitive sensors? I guess those night shot modes on some camcorders are IR sensitive, but I've never seen that used for pictures.

Here is a section of a Wikipedia page


Digital camera sensors are sensitive to infrared light, which would interfere with the normal photography by confusing the autofocus calculations or softening the image (because infrared light is focused differently than visible light), or oversaturating the red channel. Also, some clothing is transparent in the infrared, leading to unintended (at least to the manufacturer) uses of video cameras.[4] Thus, to improve image quality and protect privacy, many digital cameras employ infrared blockers. Depending on your subject matter, infrared photography may not be practical with these cameras because the exposure times become overly long, often in the range of 30 seconds, creating noise and motion blur in the final image. However, for some subject matter the long exposure does not matter or the motion blur effects actually add to the image. Some lenses will also show a 'hot spot' in the centre of the image as their coatings are optimised for visible light and not for IR.

An alternative method of digital SLR infrared photography is to remove the infrared blocker in front of the CCD and replace it with a filter that removes visible light. This filter is behind the mirror, so the camera can be used normally - handheld, normal shutter speeds, normal composition through the viewfinder, and focus, all work like a normal camera. Metering works but is not always accurate because of the difference between visible and infrared reflection.[5] When the IRblocker is removed, many lenses which did display a hotspot cease to do so, and become perfectly usable for infrared photography.

Since the Bayer filters in most digital cameras absorb a significant fraction of the infrared light, these cameras are sometimes not very sensitive as infrared cameras and can sometimes produce false colors in the images. An alternative approach is to use a Foveon X3 sensor, which does not have absorptive filters on it; the Sigma SD10 DSLR has a removable IR blocking filter and dust protector, which can be simply omitted or replaced by a deep red or complete visible light blocking filter. The result is a very sensitive digital IR camera .

Several Sony cameras have the so-called Night Shot facility, which physically moves the blocking filter away from the light path, which makes the cameras very sensitive to infrared light. Soon after its development, this facility was 'restricted' by Sony to make it difficult for people to take photos that saw through clothing. To do this the iris is opened fully and exposure duration is limited to long times of more than 1/30 second or so. It is possible to shoot infrared but neutral density filters must be used to reduce the camera's sensitivity and the long exposure times mean that care must be taken to avoid camera-shake artefacts.

A Fuji camera has been produced for use in forensic criminology and medicine; it has no blocking filter, and extended ultraviolet sensitivity (digital sensors are usually less sensitive to UV than to IR). The camera, designated the S3 PRO UVIR was only available in the USA and was modified by Fuji US. Optimum UV sensitivity requires special lenses, but ordinary lenses usually work well for IR. Stocks of the S3 are limited because it is due to be replaced by the S5 in 2007, which will limit availability of the UVIR version.[citation needed] In 2007, Fuji has also introduced a non-SLR infrared camera, the IS-1, a modified version of the Fuji FinePix S9100. Unlike the S3 PRO UVIR, the IS-1 does not offer UV sensitivity. This camera is expected to be available internationally, although because of concerns about inappropriate (that is, criminal) use, sales may be restricted to the appropriate professional markets.
 
Well, Im not sure if maybe this book might be wrong or not, but what Ill do is quote it here for you.
The book is called "Digital SLR Cameras & Photography for Dummies"
ISBN 0-7645-9803-1
Page 108

"UV lenses: If you're a scientist photographing subjects with ultraviolet light, you probably want to scrounge around for one of these rare, expensive optics - which don't filter out UV in the same way as lenses built of conventional glass elements."

This is why I posted here about the UV lenses. I wasnt sure if he ment you can see UV or not by saying this. Now Im confused, lol
 
the sectors just go bad with time.

If you have ever had to deal with someone that had a stroke, then it really gets bizzare.

My dad could read something, 5 minutes later, he couldn't tell you what he just read, but 5 days later he would remember it.

MY mom had several strokes. After the first one she had trouble remembering things. It turns out that a minor stroke can have much the same effect on the brain as having severe ADD. WHen she complained that she felt like she was going crazy when she kept forgetting where she put things and what she was about to do or had just done I said "Welcome to my world!"

Seriously though, I have all these bits of information in my head floating around. You can ask me a question then a week later I will remember the answer, usually in the dead of night when I can't tell anyone!

NOW.... UV light... well I don't have much to say on that subject except I have really cool UV led's in my pc case with pink (ok, I know UV red, but come on it is a very girly pink!) uv reactive sheaths on my cables and uv reactive connectors. Looks way cool.

Sheath... that is a fun word.
 
So, I guess there are UV lenses that work like that. Hmm, then maybe I can see into the UV spectrum with these?

Sounds like it just allows UV light through. You still won't be able to see it. You'll need to rely on your film to capture it and translate it to visible light. I don't think most digital sensors "see" UV, so they probably wouldn't work with it.
 
I noticed in the tome-like B&H Digital Photography catalog that arrived last week, there's a Fuji DSLR that takes IR photos. Here is a press release on it.

"The newly announced digital camera is only slightly modified from the original S3 Pro. The standard S3 Pro has UV and IR filters, but the new camera omits those and replaces them with a special protective glass filter. Because of this modification, the Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro UVIR can photograph objects that aren’t normally seen with the naked eye."

Coincidentally, I've been leafing though the 20-volume "Encyclopedia of Photography" (from 1967) and there's a 3-page entry on ultraviolet photography. Apparently there are two ways of UV photography - reflected-ultraviolet and fluorescent-light.

The reflected-ultraviolet is like regular photography, the subject is lit with ultraviolet (like a mercury arc lamp) then photographed by a camera with a filter that passes UV rays but blocks visible light.

The fluorescent-light method is similar but relies on most objects emitting visible light when irradiated with UV light (they are then fluorescent) - for that, you use a filter that blocks the UV rays and allows the fluorescent light through.

Both are apparently best done in a darkroom.

Now, there's also an entry on infrared photography - different stuff but similar. UV is light that has waves shorter than the eye can see, IR light waves are longer than the eye can see (and not all waves longer than the eye can see are IR.)

For IR work with film, you need IR-sensitive film as well as a red filter, which blocks the violets and blues.

One of the difficulties is focusing, some lenses have a red dot or red "R" on them by the focusing marks, this will tell you how much you have to adjust focus when using infrared.

This probably isn't helpful when trying to figure out how to do IR/UV photography with your DSLR, but it's interesting background stuff IMHO.
 
Now, there's also an entry on infrared photography - different stuff but similar. UV is light that has waves shorter than the eye can see, IR light waves are longer than the eye can see (and not all waves longer than the eye can see are IR.)

For IR work with film, you need IR-sensitive film as well as a red filter, which blocks the violets and blues.

Did you see any of the Planet Earth show on Discovery Channel? They did an incredible sequence of lions hunting an elephant in the dark using a new type of IR camera.

They had huge banks of IR spotlights that only the camera could see ... it was incredible. Older IR filming always had a "night-scope" look to it, this just looks like black-and-white film....
 
Well I have finally after all these years had a UV filter truly be the protector of my lens. I was out doing some equine photography yesterday with my horse (and a few others) when they were spooked and herded. As a result I was bucked and came down hard enough that my ankle is fractured, my tail bone is bruised, and I have a few other miscellaneous cuts and bruises...fun time at the ER :thumbsup2 .

I was out with my 20D and my 24-105mm mounted when this happened. The lens hood is pretty scuffed (but usable) and the UV filter is toast. The filter took enough frontal impact to actually pop the filter partially from the holder (which is also banged up twisted!!!) and cracked from some rocks. The lens is just fine thanks to the filter, the camera had more dirt on it than the lens. I have had them banged from people in public, but never anything as severe as this.

All I can say is I am really glad I threw one on my lens.

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Michael
 
glad you are pretty much ok..daughter is a "horse nurse" and has had more horse related injuries than i like to think of, worst was one ran her into a garage type door and knocked her out and damaged her brain slightly...her memory has never been the same, so just think, it could have been your skull cracked and not your filter ;):)
 
ouch! Hope you heal quickly. I would definitely recommend getting the lens checked. A drop like that might cause internal damage that you can't tell has happened.
 
Oh Michael! Sorry to hear about your ankle but I had to chuckle for a moment when I read that you were more focused (no pun intended) on how your UV filter saved your camera than the serious fall you had!

I'm writing this as I recover from heel surgery (walking boot) and I remember when I fractured a bone in my foot 2 years ago! NO FUN! At least you will catch up on the DIS and maybe some photo processing.

Be good to yourself! And footstools will be your new friends!
 
Oh Michael! Sorry to hear about your ankle but I had to chuckle for a moment when I read that you were more focused (no pun intended) on how your UV filter saved your camera than the serious fall you had!

Michael,

Glad to hear the camera was ok and all you had to do was sacrifice an ankle! :scared1: Just kidding. I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Your story reminds me of a time that I was hiking in northern Mass. I wanted to go down a small cliff/hill to get a pic of a waterfall with my old Rebel film camera. I didn't realize that the ground was about 2" thick and it was nothing but rock underneath that. My first step had me sliding and banging off rocks on my way down the hill.

My DW recalls the event: "You never let go of the camera. You just held it as high above the ground as you could while you were taking a beating on the ground".

I somehow managed to reach out with my free hand and grab a small tree before the final descent (a major dropoff to the river). That one would have damaged the camera for sure! However, the camera survived just fine. I had quite a few bruises from the fall. The camera bag with my flash and a couple lenses ended up in the water at the bottom though and everything needed to be dried out for days. It all survived just fine somehow.

Ah, the memories....
 
Last May I didn't use my UV lense....

And regret it for a few shots.

I wanted to use it for our next trip (in 14 days woohoo!!!)

Will it affect my shots?

Do I have to remove it the second it starts to get dark?

Any tips on filming the parade at night? (I'm going to MVMCP so any tips about filming that will be welcomed !)
 












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