Using Fastpass+ and baby swap card

[MrInfinity]

We have always used RS in conjunction with FP. We have never hid a child or anything of the sort. The CMs have never even asked for (much less required) a FP from the set of riders who used the Rider Swap (even when the first set did use a FP, and the second set rode immediately upon their return).

Right, that's fine. Ppl will drive 10 miles over the speed limit too. Doesn't make it right. Other ppl shove right in front of you at a parade. Doesn't make that right either. It's just... a rule that's hard to enforce thoroughly.

Some folks were going so far as to assert that those CMs that were actually trying to enforce the rule were in the wrong, or rogue, etc. When in reality they are not. That's all I'm saying.

I would imagine if one planned FPs to split them, then showed up and couldn't get on twice for free... they might be mad. But it's their own doing. If you want to try this, try it, but I wouldn't plan my FPs around being able to abuse a system that is enforced at CM discretion -- then be mad at the CM if they did their job.

 

[skittlesrock]

Right, that's fine. Ppl will drive 10 miles over the speed limit too. Doesn't make it right. Other ppl shove right in front of you at a parade. Doesn't make that right either. It's just... a rule that's hard to enforce thoroughly.

Some folks were going so far as to assert that those CMs that were actually trying to enforce the rule were in the wrong, or rogue, etc. When in reality they are not. That's all I'm saying.

I would imagine if one planned FPs to split them, then showed up and couldn't get on twice for free... they might be mad. But it's their own doing. If you want to try this, try it, but I wouldn't plan my FPs around being able to abuse a system that is enforced at CM discretion -- then be mad at the CM if they did their job.

I will find the podcast later and post it.. where it says group 1 using fastpass and group 2 can ride with rider's pass

 

[MrInfinity]

I will find the podcast later and post it.. where it says group 1 using fastpass and group 2 can ride with rider's pass

Actually a podcast from an authority at Disney? I would love to hear it - Thank you!!

 

[Angel Ariel]

Right, that's fine. Ppl will drive 10 miles over the speed limit too. Doesn't make it right. Other ppl shove right in front of you at a parade. Doesn't make that right either. It's just... a rule that's hard to enforce thoroughly.

How is it a rule that's "hard to enforce" when CMs are telling you it's OK?

I would imagine if one planned FPs to split them, then showed up and couldn't get on twice for free... they might be mad.

Who is talking about getting on twice for free?

Family arrives at attraction. Brings too short child to the CM, gets a rider swap pass. Rider set #1 rides with their FPs. Rider set #2 waits. Rider set #1 gets off, adults switch so adult #1 is now waiting with the too-short child. Rider set #2 brings RS pass to the CM, is told to enter the FP line.

1 ride/adult. Potentially 2 rides for a child (if there's a 2nd, tall enough child). Where is this getting on twice "for free"?

Many FP lines now are actual waits of 10-15 mins (some reported to be 45+!) - so it can't be assumed that either rider set is riding with no wait.

I'm sorry, but I don't think what is described above is abuse.

 

[RachaelA]

How is it a rule that's "hard to enforce" when CMs are telling you it's OK?



Who is talking about getting on twice for free?

Family arrives at attraction. Brings too short child to the CM, gets a rider swap pass. Rider set #1 rides with their FPs. Rider set #2 waits. Rider set #1 gets off, adults switch so adult #1 is now waiting with the too-short child. Rider set #2 brings RS pass to the CM, is told to enter the FP line.

1 ride/adult. Potentially 2 rides for a child (if there's a 2nd, tall enough child). Where is this getting on twice "for free"?

Many FP lines now are actual waits of 10-15 mins (some reported to be 45+!) - so it can't be assumed that either rider set is riding with no wait.

I'm sorry, but I don't think what is described above is abuse.

Splitting up your FP+ though is getting two rides with "1" FP. Like Dad gets FP+ for Soarin' while Mom gets FP+ for Test Track then they do rider swap for each. Therefore getting around the tier system.

 

[tzolkin]

How is it a rule that's "hard to enforce" when CMs are telling you it's OK? Who is talking about getting on twice for free? Family arrives at attraction. Brings too short child to the CM, gets a rider swap pass. Rider set #1 rides with their FPs. Rider set #2 waits. Rider set #1 gets off, adults switch so adult #1 is now waiting with the too-short child. Rider set #2 brings RS pass to the CM, is told to enter the FP line. 1 ride/adult. Potentially 2 rides for a child (if there's a 2nd, tall enough child). Where is this getting on twice "for free"? Many FP lines now are actual waits of 10-15 mins (some reported to be 45+!) - so it can't be assumed that either rider set is riding with no wait. I'm sorry, but I don't think what is described above is abuse.

It's not abuse. That's exactly how RS is designed to work. It's even how it's depicted in the parks video.

We always used FPs when our kids were little enough to need RS. Why would I make my husband and baby wait for over an hour while older DD and I went through the standby line if we could just get FPs and minimize the wait time of the non-rider and baby?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Splitting up your FP+ though is getting two rides with "1" FP. Like Dad gets FP+ for Soarin' while Mom gets FP+ for Test Track then they do rider swap for each. Therefore getting around the tier system.

That's not abusing RS, IMO. Disney does not ask for or require a FP+ for the second rider set. Even if both adults got FP+ for the same ride, only one would be asked/required to use it. At that point the adults have the choice of riding the same ride again with RS, or switching adult #2's FP+ to something else.

 

[RachaelA]

That's not abusing RS, IMO. Disney does not ask for or require a FP+ for the second rider set. Even if both adults got FP+ for the same ride, only one would be asked/required to use it. At that point the adults have the choice of riding the same ride again with RS, or switching adult #2's FP+ to something else.

I agree with you but the poster was saying using anything FP related is NOT allowed with the rider swap bc the website says 'general queue' but then again the website also says in one place it's for any kid who doesn't want to ride and then in another place only kids not tall enough. So I don't put much stock in the website.

 

[kiramay]

We have always used RS in conjunction with FP. We have never hid a child or anything of the sort. The CMs have never even asked for (much less required) a FP from the set of riders who used the Rider Swap (even when the first set did use a FP, and the second set rode immediately upon their return).

Us too. There was nothing hidden. We ALL pulled FP. We went to the FP line, showed them ds2 was too short, got a child swap pass, and my dh and older kids went through FP line. When they were done, I took my FP and rider swap and went through (with the older kids).

It's not "cheating" any system if we chose to use our FP+ on a ride that we'll need to swap on.

 

[cfriend416]

I'll be pretty bummed if we can't use rider swap with FP+. We're a party of 3 adults and a toddler. One of the adults does not like most rides with height restrictions so it won't be an issue often. But we all LOVE Soarin' and Star Tours, to name a couple. All 3 of us have FP+ for these rides. So in our case, we did not plan to use rider swap to save FP's, we did it so no one would have to ride alone.

We planned on using rider swap so that two of us could ride while the third is with the toddler, then one of the first two would ride with the third person so they don't have to ride alone. If we can't do this, it will be very disappointing. We go to Disney to spend time as a family so if one person is constantly having to ride our favorite rides by themselves... well that's just dumb. Especially because rider swap passes are good for 3 people specifically so that no one has to ride alone.

We did rider swap with paper FP last trip no problem. We didn't even know it technically wasn't "allowed." So here's hoping it goes smoothly this time! I get that rider swap is a perk that most amusement parks don't even offer, but this is why we choose to go to Disney, ya know?

 

[chekhovgirl]

Correct, you are not supposed to get one like that. See here...

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/gu.../rider-switch/

It does say to wait in the normal line, but they could have used that language to specify that you don't get to go in the fast pass line simply because you're doing a rider switch and you don't have a fast pass. Understand? They're defaulting to assuming you don't have a fast pass because they don't want people to think that doing a rider switch guarantees them the fast pass line both times.

 

[chekhovgirl]

We used RS with FP a lot and the CMs saw that, knew that, and we were never told that it wasn't allowed. I never read the website, I had just heard about rider swap. If it wasn't to be used with FP, they should/could have told us. We were not knowingly breaking any rules. After reading the website now, I still don't think we were breaking any rules. Has someone been told by a cast member not to use RS with FP?

 

[rcarman213]

thanks for posting this we would not have known about this

 

[brockash]

We used RS with FP a lot and the CMs saw that, knew that, and we were never told that it wasn't allowed. I never read the website, I had just heard about rider swap. If it wasn't to be used with FP, they should/could have told us. We were not knowingly breaking any rules. After reading the website now, I still don't think we were breaking any rules. Has someone been told by a cast member not to use RS with FP?

This has always been our same experience. We go every yr with a variety of ages and have used babyswap a lot...we almost always use it while going through the fastpass line and no one has ever said anything.

 

[larie21]

We used baby swap with FP several times on our last trip. (before FP+) We were never denied a baby swap pass and they never asked if we were riding FP or standby. I don't think that's breaking the rules.

That's like Disney telling families with young children that they can only use FP+ on kiddie rides. I don't think FP+ needs any more restrictions!

 

[RoosMama]

I posted on the first page of this thread, but since there is so much discussion I'll clarify my answer - we used FP+ with RS in December. When the second group went, I tried to scan my band a couple times and every time the CM specifically told me not to scan it. If they are telling people that, then I am assuming Disney is not considering that abuse of the system.

 

[eliz603]

Someone touched in this, but it got a bit hidden in the static.

Let's say you show up for your ride halfway through your FP+ window. The first adult goes through, but the line is long. By the time the first adult is out, the FP+ window is closed. Is the second adult supposed to be out of luck? How would that make sense for adult 2? It absolutely makes sense from Disney's standpoint to allow a rider swap pass even with a FP+ in hand.

All of my adult trips have involved the need to rider swap. We were never denied a rider swap pass just because we had a FP in hand, and that includes before return time enforcement started. I don't see why they would treat things any differently. Yes, there's a loophole, but it's a hard one to close even just considering the one issue above.

 

[eliz603]

http://disneyworldforum.disney.go.com/questions.aspx?sort=&page=1&qid=246847&pid=43&cid=57

Recent comment on Disney Moms Panel.

*Technically* everyone should have FP+, but even this response says CMs often overlook this.

Also says scared children and adults qualify for rider swap.

 

[TinkTitans]

That Moms Panel says one extra guest but I've heard 2-3 guests are permitted. What has people encountered ?

 

[andrews_dad]

Anyone recent experiences??