Use FPs on MB that hasn't entered the park?

[pad406]

Why do you suppose they haven't chosen to build a website that doesn't crash so often?

Being in the business (and have been for close to 30 years) I have to say that given the complexity and number of systems that they link in to, it's pretty good

Excellent point. I suppose Disney could do it if they wanted to, they just haven't.

Or maybe it's a very low priority bug fix. Time and resources have to come from somewhere....

 

[Lucius Best]

Being in the business (and have been for close to 30 years) I have to say that given the complexity and number of systems that they link in to, it's pretty good

"Pretty good", that's high praise!

Or maybe it's a very low priority bug fix. Time and resources have to come from somewhere....

Definitely agree with you here, I'm sure it's very low priority, given the possible complexity of closing a loophole being used by a likely very small number of guests, not worth the time or the risk. As for the resources, I believe a lot of them have been laid off the past couple of years.

 

[pad406]

"Pretty good", that's high praise!

LOL, believe me, from me, it is

 

[eeyoreandtink]

But they DO say that MBs associated with ticket media are non-transferrable and for use ONLY by the same person on all days. It's right there on the back of the MB...
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the TICKET not the fastpass. They are not using someone else's ticket

 

[larryz]

LOL, believe me, from me, it is

Then how do you rate Amazon.com?

 

[eeyoreandtink]

"Pretty good", that's high praise!



Definitely agree with you here, I'm sure it's very low priority, given the possible complexity of closing a loophole being used by a likely very small number of guests, not worth the time or the risk. As for the resources, I believe a lot of them have been laid off the past couple of years.

Exactly. If it was a high priority and they really cared about closing it, they would allocate the resources to do so. Apparently it isn't high on the list, if its there at all

 

[larryz]

the TICKET not the fastpass. They are not using someone else's ticket

They're using the MagicBand, which Disney defines as "ticket media": "If this band includes admission rights, it is a nontransferrable ticket and it is: NONTRANSFERABLE AND MUST BE USED BY THE SAME PERSON ON ALL DAYS."

 

[Mikie]

Clearly, the only way to solve this dilemma is to broadly advertise this loophole on every Disney forum on which you can post, and maybe get it into the mainstream media travel columns. Only when it becomes clear to Disney that people are loading up the system on "dead head" MagicBands™ -- with no attached ticket media -- will they feel motivated enough to close this loophole and make the system "fair" again (as if it ever was).

Yep, it's ridiculous. So frustrating when supposed adults act like toddlers. "Welcome to my parks, please enjoy them within these parameters we have set up". Toddler response: "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine; if mom isn't holding my hand at every turn I shall do whatever I want without regard to the instructions until I am caught and put in time out."

 

[eeyoreandtink]

They're using the MagicBand, which Disney defines as "ticket media": "If this band includes admission rights, it is a nontransferrable ticket and it is: NONTRANSFERABLE AND MUST BE USED BY THE SAME PERSON ON ALL DAYS."

Exactly. Magic bands serve many purposes. If it contains a ticket, that ticket is not transferable. It doesn't read as the entire band is nontransferable. They do fingerprint scans at the front to make sure the same person uses the band for admission, but not at FP redemption sites. They allow me to use DH's magic band to pay for my mickey bar, and no ne is checking to make sure it is mine, ect.

 

[larryz]

Exactly. Magic bands serve many purposes. If it contains a ticket, that ticket is not transferable. It doesn't read as the entire band is nontransferable. They do fingerprint scans at the front to make sure the same person uses the band for admission, but not at FP redemption sites. They allow me to use DH's magic band to pay for my mickey bar, ect.

You read it how you want to; I'll read it in English.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

You read it how you want to; I'll read it in English.

In ENGLISH is says that the TICKET MEDIA is not transferable. You interpret that to suit yourself.

 

[pad406]

Then how do you rate Amazon.com?

It is excellent, but then it should be, that's their business. Now if they were to do a theme park or start making movies, I'd have to wait and see......

But we're getting off topic here

 

[Lucius Best]

In ENGLISH is says that the TICKET MEDIA is not transferable. You interpret that to suit yourself.

Instead of paraphrasing, in English, it says "If this band includes admission rights, it is a nontransferable ticket..." I can't think of any other correct interpretation of that phrase other than the MagicBand is considered a ticket if there's a ticket attached to it.

 

[larryz]

Instead of paraphrasing, in English, it says "If this band includes admission rights, it is a nontransferable ticket..." I can't think of any other correct interpretation of that phrase other than the MagicBand is considered a ticket if there's a ticket attached to it.

And it's a phrase that has a distinct meaning under Florida law.

 

[larryz]

It is excellent, but then it should be, that's their business. Now if they were to do a theme park or start making movies, I'd have to wait and see......

But we're getting off topic here

Thanks, so do I, and it goes towards motive -- in this case, PROFIT motive. If a company relies on their website to make money, why wouldn't they make it so foolproof that they wouldn't need an army of support personnel hanging around waiting to fix the all-too-frequent errors? Headcount is expensive when they're a sunk cost in a non-revenue unit.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

You guys read it however you want, but based on how Disney is using them the "it" in the phrase seems to me to refer to the admisson, not the band as being non transferable. It could be argued all day. No one is going to change their mind. The magic band is Not JUST a ticket. It serves as a stand in for many other things: room key, charge card, fastpass ticket, ect. Can only the person it is issued to use it to open the door to their room? I don't think that is the intent here. I think the intent is that only the person the ticket attached to the magic band is issued to may use the band as a ticket.

 

[Lucius Best]

You guys read it however you want, but based on how Disney is using them the "it" in the phrase seems to me to refer to the admisson, not the band as being non transferable. It could be argued all day. No one is going to change their mind. The magic band is Not JUST a ticket. It serves as a stand in for many other things: room key, charge card, fastpass ticket, ect. Can only the person it is issued to use it to open the door to their room? I don't think that is the intent here. I think the intent is that only the person the ticket attached to the magic band is issued to may use the band as a ticket.

It's obvious that the phrase is referring to the MagicBand being non-transferable. Whether that only applies to admission and not FP is open to interpretation. Using the MagicBand as a room key/charge card isn't a good analogy, everyone staying in your room is going to have a MB that opens the door to the room, but everyone has an individual admission ticket, just like everyone has their own FPs. I'm assuming Disney doesn't care and won't care unless everyone starts doing it.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

It's obvious that the phrase is referring to the MagicBand being non-transferable. Whether that only applies to admission and not FP is open to interpretation. Using the MagicBand as a room key/charge card isn't a good analogy, everyone staying in your room is going to have a MB that opens the door to the room, but everyone has an individual admission ticket, just like everyone has their own FPs. I'm assuming Disney doesn't care and won't care unless everyone starts doing it.

It isnt an analogy at all. its adn actual function of the magic band. If the band is non transferable then those functions are also nontransferable. each magic band has a unique id, and if you are reading this as the band is not transferable, only the person linked to that id should be using it, for anything. i just don't think that practical or the intent of the language.

 

[cvjw]

Disney has known about this fp+ loophole for a long time. Early in 2014, a disney CM posted on one of these threads that Disney was aware of the loophole and it would be fixed by fall of 2014. It is winter of 2015 and the loophole is still there and functioning.

Either Disney wants to fix it and they can't, or they just don't care about it. They probably have bigger problems to deal with.

I have used this loophole since the implementation of magic bands. If your family has AP's and not everyone goes on a certain Disney trip, then we can use our family member's magic bands for extra fast passes. Just how the system is set up. If you have valid ticket media attached to your magic bands, you can make and use FP+. If Disney doesn't want it to happen, they will close the loophole. Until then, we will continue to enjoy it

 

[ofcabbagesandkings]

Doing it as described is NOT paying for the FPs. It is on a MB that is not having a ticket used that day. I would be less judgmental if it was on a ticket being used and grandma doesn't go on rides so the grandchild uses the FP. As described, the glitch is that a FP can be made and used on a MB, even if the band isn't scanned for a ticket that day.

So it's a same day FP? Still meh. Not like it's going to be used for A&E or sdmt.