Union may file a greivance against an Eagle Scout for taking their jobs* WITH AUDIO

[kaytieeldr]

In the case under discussion, volunteers are doing the job that union members used to get paid to do.

Respectfully, given the time this Eagle Scout put into the project, if there were union members being paid to maintain this specific walking/biking path, they were not doing the job for which they were getting paid.

 

[Geoff_M]

...though I am still waiting to see what scrubber thinks I said to misalign scouts...

It doesn't "malign", it "minimizes" or "trivializes" it. I think I provided the answer back in post #127:

As for "what's wrong" is Scouting being called a "hobby", the problem is that people like to incorrectly pigeonhole it as such when it's so much more than just "a hobby". There's a misconception that Scouting continually has to fight that it's just "a camping club".

The problem becomes more real when Scout Councils go through the frequent application process to receive funding, along with other organizations, from community foundations and such. The chances of success often hings on whether the foundation views the Scouting program as merely a "hobby" (i.e. "Camping club"), or something more than that... a youth development organization. The founder for the Scouting Movement, Lord Robert Baden-Powell called Scouting "A game with a purpose." Merely calling Scouting a "hobby" focuses on the "game" instead of the "purpose".

 

[NHdisneylover]

odd that you did not share the synonyms for Hobby from the same website....

Main Entry: hobby
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: pleasurable pastime
Synonyms: amusement, art, avocation, bag*, craft, craze, distraction, diversion, divertissement, fad*, fancy, favorite occupation, fun, game, interest, kick*, labor of love, leisure activity, leisure pursuit, obsession, occupation, pet topic, play, quest, relaxation, schtick, shot, sideline, specialty, sport, thing*, vagary, weakness, whim, whimsy
Antonyms: profession, vocation, work

you chose interest...ok.

I think that by calling scouting a hobby you trivialize it, like a fad, leisure pursuit, a whimsy or any of the other synonyms listed above.
I also think that since you vehemently disagree with aspects of the program, you trivialize it on purpose.

I did not even put in hobby because the person who is a scout and participates in scouts said HE consideres it an interest. I thought I should go with what the scout considered it and see if it met the defineition of what I had said. I in no way meant to trivialize scouting by looking for synonyms to the word the scout used instead of my own word (which you were all questionsing--thus going for what the scout used).

 

[NHdisneylover]

The problem becomes more real when Scout Councils go through the frequent application process to receive funding, along with other organizations, from community foundations and such. The chances of success often hings on whether the foundation views the Scouting program as merely a "hobby" (i.e. "Camping club"), or something more than that... a youth development organization. The founder for the Scouting Movement, Lord Robert Baden-Powell called Scouting "A game with a purpose." Merely calling Scouting a "hobby" focuses on the "game" instead of the "purpose".

Interesting-I can see your point there Thanks for explaining this in a rational manner instead of jumping all over me and assuming the worst just because I was honest enough to admit I don't like the policies of the program

 

[Mrs.Toad]

I don't see the comments that NHDisneyLover made as negative or disparaging to scouting if you are talking about it as a hobby. Depending on how broadly or narrowly you define hobby she could be right or wrong.

I would probably say that it is a hobby in a sense. I volunteer with the American Cancer Society and could see how my volunteering can be seen as a hobby. I don't think she meant that it was as shallow as stamp collecting just because both can be considered hobbies.

I think the scouting program is great and teaches kids a lot. It makes for better, well rounded individuals. To classify it as a hobby doesn't take away from that.

I run and while it is hard work and requires dedication I would consider it a hobby also. There are other runners that would cringe at that description and expound on how it is a commitment to health and dedication and ... I agree, but that doesn't mean it is also not a hobby.

Perhaps the connotation of hobby that you hold differs than the connotation NHDisneyLover has. I don't think she was knocking the scouts.

Now, back to slagging on unions.

I don't have much experience with Boy Scouts, but have been a Girl Scout leader for 6 years. I don't think of my and my dd's involvement in it as a hobby, but more of a "program" as well.

Your running example is right in line with how different people treat Scouting differently, IMO. There are some who are very dedicated and consider it a much bigger part of their life than a hobby or interest. There are others that don't put that much into it, don't get much out of it, and for them it would be more like a hobby. (not saying you don't put much into running. )

I also vehemently disagree with certain Boy Scout policies (I'm thankful GS doesn't have those policies), but I still think Scouting is a terrific experience. I even know parents who vehemently disagree, yet their sons still participate. Obviously, they also realize that one can disagree with certain policies, without disagreeing with individual Scouts or Scoutmasters, and seeing it as a worthwhile activity for their sons.

 

[shrubber]

Interesting-I can see your point there Thanks for explaining this in a rational manner instead of jumping all over me and assuming the worst just because I was honest enough to admit I don't like the policies of the program

Really?
You come to the forum to post that ' hey I really don't want to discuss the topic at hand, but I would like to say in BIG, BOLD LETTERS that these folks are involverd in nothing more than a hobby, ooh and by the way I vehemently oppose the program ' and then you are concerned about people jumping all over you? Really?

 

[NHdisneylover]

Really?
You come to the forum to post that ' hey I really don't want to discuss the topic at hand, but I would like to say in BIG, BOLD LETTERS that these folks are involverd in nothing more than a hobby, ooh and by the way I vehemently oppose the program ' and then you are concerned about people jumping all over you? Really?

Actually, I would like to discuss the topic at hand (that is why I clicked on the thread) but I do not feel there is enough information currently available for me to make a judgement. Hopefully more information will come out links will be posted

I do not see a hobby as necessarily something trivial to which the term "nothing more than" applies. I think I have made that pretty clear. Nor did I ever complain about people jumping all over me. YOU stated I had made "a lot of comments" about scouting in the thread and I am wondering what I said that got you so up in arms. I had not commented much at all at that point. It seems to me that now that you know I disagree with some scouting policies (yes vehemently so) you feel that means anything I say should be disounted I have even said BSA does many good things and that most scouts are good people, etc.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Obviously, they also realize that one can disagree with certain policies, without disagreeing with individual Scouts or Scoutmasters, and seeing it as a worthwhile activity for their sons.

I totally agree that most scouts an scoutmaster are not represented by the policies I disagree with. I, again, have no issue with those who join boy scouts--it is just not for our family (which I think I put in all caps the first time to make it clear it was a personal thing and not something I apply to other people at all).

Thanks for being a leader It seems there are rarely enough to go around.

 

[dakcp2001]

Ok everyone, lets pick up the pieces and move on with our lives.

 

[dennis99ss]

My son is not now, nor has he ever been a boy scout. He will not be a boy scout. We believe the organization does many wonderful things, but those things are overshadow FOR OUR FAMILY by certain other aspects of the program with which we vehemently disagree.

Just wondering, since you reference this a lot, what are the policies you disagree with that are so overshadowing that you will not allow your ds to be a mamber?

I have a couple of thoughts of what they could be, but would like to know what they are, because I simply don't understand the ferocity of the dislike.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Just wondering, since you reference this a lot, what are the policies you disagree with that are so overshadowing that you will not allow your ds to be a mamber?

I have a couple of thoughts of what they could be, but would like to know what they are, because I simply don't understand the ferocity of the dislike.

I think it is the only time I have ever referenced it on the DIS

You can probably guess. I have two issues. Both would fall under the no politics or religion guidelines. I only said what I did for the sake of honesty so everyone would no where I was comming from and what experience I had with socuting (and I included my experiences and feelings on unions too)--should have kept my big mouth closed and let everyone just keep defing hobby differently and stayed off the thread. Sorry everyone

 

[shrubber]

I think it is the only time I have ever referenced it on the DIS

You can probably guess. I have two issues. Both would fall under the no politics or religion guidelines. I only said what I did for the sake of honesty so everyone would no where i was comming from and what experience I ahd with socuting (and I included my experiences and feelings on unions too)--should have kept my big mouth closed and let everyone just keep defing hobby differently and stayed off the thread. Sorry everyone

Scouts and Leaders are prohibited from participating in any political event or endorse any candidate ( aside from patriotic duties such as flag ceremonies )

The only religious requirement is a belief in God. regardless of religion.

 

[SAHDad]

Scouts and Leaders are prohibited from participating in any political event or endorse any candidate ( aside from patriotic duties such as flag ceremonies )

The only religious requirement is a belief in God. regardless of religion.

NHdisneylover is referring to board policies regarding religion and political discussion. I suspect I know which policies are prohibited from open discussion here.

 

[Mom23Disneybelievers]

Scouts and Leaders are prohibited from participating in any political event or endorse any candidate ( aside from patriotic duties such as flag ceremonies )

The only religious requirement is a belief in God. regardless of religion.

Yes, when they are representing themselves as scouts. But, they are certainly free to support whoever and whatever politically when they are not wearing the uniform.

 

[shrubber]

NHdisneylover is referring to board policies regarding religion and political discussion. I suspect I know which policies are prohibited from open discussion here.

The Boy Scouts of America does not define what constitutes belief in God or the practice of religion. Membership in a religious organization is not required.

The Scouts are a non Political organization and prohibit members from advocating any particular political candidate, or party platform or event.

so what could possibly be prohibited?

 

[shrubber]

Here is audio of the meeting where the Union boss talks about how there is to no volunteer work and will look into the scouts who did this.....

sounds kind of like a Soprano's episode

http://blogs.mcall.com/valley610/2009/11/hear-why-allentown-union-found-itself-in-the-national-spotlight.html

 

[DancingBear]

The Boy Scouts of America does not define what constitutes belief in God or the practice of religion. Membership in a religious organization is not required.

The Scouts are a non Political organization and prohibit members from advocating any particular political candidate, or party platform or event.

so what could possibly be prohibited?

The Boy Scouts require belief in some God (no atheists), and bar homosexuals.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Scouts and Leaders are prohibited from participating in any political event or endorse any candidate ( aside from patriotic duties such as flag ceremonies )

The only religious requirement is a belief in God. regardless of religion.

Bingo! Not everyone believes in God.

As for the other, I'm sure you know it's not about political action on the part of boy scouts, but about the exclusion of gay Scoutmasters.

 

[shrubber]

Bingo! Not everyone believes in God.

As for the other, I'm sure you know it's not about political action on the part of boy scouts, but about the exclusion of gay Scoutmasters.

And not everyone is a Boy Scout

 

[FireDancer]

And not everyone is a Boy Scout

I always though Damon Wayans was the last Boy Scout. Man, if you can't trust what you learn in over the top action flicks from the early 90's what can you trust