Unbelievable - a mob attacked these people for nothing

[luvsJack]

Ok whole country, whatever. Give me a cite.......person A simply afraid of skin color of person B. A shoots B.

I already mentioned one. It was a black boy went to the door of an Asian family. They were afraid of blacks and opened the door and shot him. I want to say it was Halloween or something. There was another one where the boy (not sure of the race) was just running across the yard and was shot because there had been some break ins in the area by people of the same race as he (this one may have been asian or hispanic)

I do not have the time or the interest to google and cite every website that may report these things. In fact I am out of this discussion. I detest racism no matter what the race is of the person spouting the hate.

By all means carry on. Get up in the air about how the city of Akron is racist and won't do anything and everyone needs to be armed.

I do agree that hate crime is hate crime regardless of the race of the victim or the attacker. Hate crime is a horrible thing. But I also agree that maybe it would be easier to do away with the term and just have the regular charges available in these situations. That would end all the "are they going to call it a hate crime" rantings.

 

[shrubber]

I already mentioned one. It was a black boy went to the door of an Asian family. They were afraid of blacks and opened the door and shot him. I want to say it was Halloween or something. There was another one where the boy (not sure of the race) was just running across the yard and was shot because there had been some break ins in the area by people of the same race as he (this one may have been asian or hispanic)

I do not have the time or the interest to google and cite every website that may report these things. In fact I am out of this discussion. I detest racism no matter what the race is of the person spouting the hate.

By all means carry on. Get up in the air about how the city of Akron is racist and won't do anything and everyone needs to be armed.

I do agree that hate crime is hate crime regardless of the race of the victim or the attacker. Hate crime is a horrible thing. But I also agree that maybe it would be easier to do away with the term and just have the regular charges available in these situations. That would end all the "are they going to call it a hate crime" rantings.

Look we all agree that this incident was tragic, your assumption that people should not defend themselves because they will open fire on innocent people without provocation is absurd.

 

[luvsJack]

Look we all agree that this incident was tragic, your assumption that people should not defend themselves because they will open fire on innocent people without provocation is absurd.

I did not say that everyone with a gun to defend themselves will open fire on innocent people. I said some could. It has happened that people have shot because of the feeling of being threatened. If someone is frightened of this very thing happening to them, are walking around with a gun, and then feel threatened by someone they very well could shoot. It has happened before. Police officers have shot innocent kids with water guns or with no gun at all because they thought the kid was pulling a real gun. They FELT threatened, (there was no ACTUAL threat) and they shot.

I actually am not saying people should not defend themselves, what I actually meant when all this started was that everyone should be careful with what they are saying as it can cause panic/fear in some people that would shoot without being sure of the threat.

And besides my actual intent in posting was to say, why get all up in the air about it being or not being a hate crime? It was a crime, it happened to these people and someone should be arrested and prosecuted for the crime. I stated what happened to my own child and the reason his attackers were not charged with hate crime. And that it may not have anything to do with the victim being white and any double standard.

 

[shrubber]

I did not say that everyone with a gun to defend themselves will open fire on innocent people. I said some could. It has happened that people have shot because of the feeling of being threatened. If someone is frightened of this very thing happening to them, are walking around with a gun, and then feel threatened by someone they very well could shoot. It has happened before. Police officers have shot innocent kids with water guns or with no gun at all because they thought the kid was pulling a real gun. They FELT threatened, (there was no ACTUAL threat) and they shot.

I actually am not saying people should not defend themselves, what I actually meant when all this started was that everyone should be careful with what they are saying as it can cause panic/fear in some people that would shoot without being sure of the threat.

And besides my actual intent in posting was to say, why get all up in the air about it being or not being a hate crime? It was a crime, it happened to these people and someone should be arrested and prosecuted for the crime. I stated what happened to my own child and the reason his attackers were not charged with hate crime. And that it may not have anything to do with the victim being white and any double standard.

If someone feels threatened for their life, policeman, little old lady, whatever, and they have a handgun, they should shoot. Period.
People of Akron have every right to be wary of gangs , and if they are threatened, they should defend themselves by any means available.

 

[luvsJack]

If someone feels threatened for their life, policeman, little old lady, whatever, and they have a handgun, they should shoot. Period.
People of Akron have every right to be wary of gangs , and if they are threatened, they should defend themselves by any means available.

So, you are saying that it is ok for the policeman to shoot the kid who was pulling a comb from his pocket or had a water gun in his hand? Seriously? (before every cop on the dis starts in on me, I am NOT saying anything should happen to the cop necessarily. I am using it as an example of shooting out of fear rather than actual threat)

 

[shrubber]

So, you are saying that it is ok for the policeman to shoot the kid who was pulling a comb from his pocket or had a water gun in his hand? Seriously? (before every cop on the dis starts in on me, I am NOT saying anything should happen to the cop necessarily. I am using it as an example of shooting out of fear rather than actual threat)

Yep, that's what I'm saying.
You seem to have a problem with this real versus percieved threat thing....
While the results of percieved threats not being real as you put it can be tragic, they are necessary and justified for self preservation and society as a whole.
Yes, the cop shoots the kid with the water gun, because he percieved a threat. Sad? Yes, of course. Wrong ( on the policemans part) of course not.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Good Lord...

And it continues...

Yep, police officers go around everyday neighborhoods, parks, schools, every day, just looking to shoot kids with waterguns or haircombs.

How totally and completely ABSURD.

I can tell you that if anybody, no matter what race, approaches my family at our own residence, somewhere after dark, whatever... my DH is NOT, I repeat NOT going to be stupid enough as to begin to ascertain without any doubt whether the gun this person is holding a real, loaded, weapon.

How unbelievably ABSURD.

 

[luvsJack]

Yep, that's what I'm saying.
You seem to have a problem with this real versus percieved threat thing....
While the results of percieved threats not being real as you put it can be tragic, they are necessary and justified for self preservation and society as a whole.
Yes, the cop shoots the kid with the water gun, because he percieved a threat. Sad? Yes, of course. Wrong ( on the policemans part) of course not.

Yes, I do have a problem with "this real versus percieved" threat thing. In the line of duty of a police officer, I can understand a sence of panic and a certain amount of "perceived threat" for some officers. And I just used that as an example.

But, in that same sence, if I am understanding you correctly, if a civilian is in a similar situation as the police officer and shoots a kid with a water gun, that's ok? And you believe shooting an innocent kid is jusitified for self preservation?

I really am just wanting to understand your thought system on this.

Wishing--it HAS HAPPENED!! Where did I say anyone went around looking for someone with a watergun to shoot? How about not exaggerating what someone is saying? Good for your husband, I am glad he would do that but then I wasn't talking about your husband either. I was only trying to get a point across to shrubber that I was not talking about someone actually being threatened but thinking they were and that it doesn't take a crazy person for it to happen. And if you would try reading what I said, you would see that this part of the conversation actually came from only one part of a post trying to clarify my intent.

 

[shrubber]

Yes, I do have a problem with "this real versus percieved" threat thing. In the line of duty of a police officer, I can understand a sence of panic and a certain amount of "perceived threat" for some officers. And I just used that as an example.

But, in that same sence, if I am understanding you correctly, if a civilian is in a similar situation as the police officer and shoots a kid with a water gun, that's ok? And you believe shooting an innocent kid is jusitified for self preservation?

I really am just wanting to understand your thought system on this.

Wishing--it HAS HAPPENED!! Where did I say anyone went around looking for someone with a watergun to shoot? How about not exaggerating what someone is saying? Good for your husband, I am glad he would do that but then I wasn't talking about your husband either. I was only trying to get a point across to shrubber that I was not talking about someone actually being threatened but thinking they were and that it doesn't take a crazy person for it to happen. And if you would try reading what I said, you would see that this part of the conversation actually came from only one part of a post trying to clarify my intent.

A civilian in the same situation as a police officer ..YES! Of course! How does a police officer have any more rights to defend themself than I do?

And for the last time ( I hope ) there is NO difference in someone being actually threatened versus thinking they were....none

we do not have the luxury of hindsight.

 

[JMD]

Wishing--it HAS HAPPENED!!

When?

 

[shrubber]

When?

I asked that a couple of times.....she doesn't have the time to find an example

 

[OceanAnnie]

I think it should be a hate crime too but a couple of weeks ago, when Eric Holder was interviewed by congress, he said that groups that were "not historically mistreated", would not be included in hate crime legislation.

That is seriously messed up.

 

[rie'smom]

Unfortunately because this particular group of black kids attacked a white family there may well be incidents of shootings at innocent groups of people.

As for the "This is a black world" saying, my husband, daughter, and I were told this in the French Quarter by a few black teens. They said it was because we had a black president. They were not threatening physical harm but they did have a bullying attitude. I told them that when we had a white president, it was not just a white world and we walked away.
While I certainly understand their pride in a black president, I have a problem with the inappropriate way of showing that pride.
I'm not saying that this was the reason the Akron group said what they said. I'm sharing my personal experience.

 

[WhateverLolaWants]

Oh my goodness. I used to hang out on this street when I was a teen because my then BFF lived there. I wonder if her parents still live there. Definitely a lower income area, but I would never expect this sort of thing to happen there. Horrible. I don't understand people sometimes.

 

[Gagirl69]

yes yesterday on cleveland television news the big story was a woman beating fawn to death, as bad as this is I think its not anywhere close as bad group of black kids beating up a family.

Its as is if "ohhh we cant say anything to raise the ire of white folk, thats now allowed!
Its reverse discrimination if you ask me.

You know if white people marched on city hall to do something about this, it would be called a racist act....but its okay for black people to march on city hall.

I agree completely.

 

[ma2jr]

 

[LuvOrlando]

I can' believe this sideline thing is still going on.

I have a question to those of you that seem to be derailing this post in an effort to defend something elusive. Is it your position that this sort of thing should not be in the news or should not be made public because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE might not be able to handle it and might go off and might possibly maybe attack an unsuspecting black person? If this is not your general perspective please, by all means, clear the air because as I re-read all your posts it sounds like this is where some of you are coming from. If this is not your point please state it in a single sentence because either the point is being misunderstood or convoluted.

BTW, to me righteous anger can be a good thing in moderation. I do not think a bunch of people expressing their disapproval could, in any way shape or form, be confused with an angry mob on a rampage. That's just ...

 

[Gagirl69]

LuvOrlando, I think it should be in the news. It needs to be considered a hate crime because that's exactly what it was. The only reason they are even debating it is because it's black against white. It's a double standard. period.

Also, I can't stand to see the guys (white or black) wearing their pants with the waist at their knees. It really makes me sick. But I wouldn't attack them because of it. They are different than me. Do I think they look stupid? Yes, I do. But to each his own.

 

[Bobbles]

I am amazed that I only heard about this incident here and have not seen it on the news here in Philadelphia.

OH WAIT! Now I remember.

The Huntington Valley Swim Club told an inner city day camp that they wouldn't be allowed to swim at the club last week and returned their money. That was labeled as racist by all the news outlets and that's all we hear.

All the coverage on CNN is about the Philly incident but I have never seen one word about black racism in Akron.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/10/philly.pool.response/index.html

Good luck finding the Akron incident on CNN.

I am deeply irritated with our media coverage of black on white hate crimes. They have it covered for perceived white on black racial incidents.

Evidently, only whites can be racist in America.

(Am I allowed to speak this way in America without being labeled a racist?)

 

[disneyjunkie]

I am amazed that I only heard about this incident hear and have not seen it on the news here in Philadelphia.

OH WAIT! Now I remember.

The Huntington Valley Swim Club told an inner city day camp that they wouldn't be allowed to swim at the club last week and returned their money. That was labeled as racist by all the news outlets and that's all we hear.

All the coverage on CNN is about the Philly incident but I have never seen one word about black racism in Akron.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/10/philly.pool.response/index.html

Good luck finding the Akron incident on CNN.

I am deeply irritated with our media coverage of black on white hate crimes. They have it covered for perceived white on black racial incidents.

Evidently, only whites can be racist in America.

(Am I allowed to speak this way in America without being labeled a racist?)

That's funny, I heard about both issues.

So, what do you think about the pool issue? Do you think race played a part in it or do you buy the story that they over booked?

I agree that the media has an issue with race. They do report more about race based crimes when the victim is black. Just as they report more about white missing children/women.

Evidently, only white children/women can be abducted in America.
(Am I allowed to speak this way in America without being labeled a racist?)