Ugh. I messed up.

I'm going to go against the majority and say I think you were wrong.

Yes maybe he's an adult and yes maybe the other two kids aren't and still live at home. But the reality is his family went out to eat on Father's day and didn't include him. That would hurt a lot of people whether they would admit it or not.

This doesn't make you a bad parent and you've apologized which is all you can do at this point. But if I had done the same thing, I would feel bad about it.

I will sit on the same side as you.

OP, your DH is very ill and has few father's days left. Why would you exclude this son? What is this is the last father's day?

You and your DH kicked him out of your home less than a year ago. You complain all the time that he does not talk to you etc. This was a great olive branch and you did not offer it. Not to forget but you let a non-related man of the same age stay in your basement, did kick him out later, when you kicked out your son. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!!!????:confused3
 
I will sit on the same side as you.

OP, your DH is very ill and has few father's days left. Why would you exclude this son? What is this is the last father's day?

You and your DH kicked him out of your home less than a year ago. You complain all the time that he does not talk to you etc. This was a great olive branch and you did not offer it. Not to forget but you let a non-related man of the same age stay in your basement, did kick him out later, when you kicked out your son. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!!!????:confused3

The OP admits she made a mistake, and even apologized to her son. I think the issue is that he won't let it drop. How many apologies should she make. It was an honest mistake. They weren't going out to celebrate Father's day, that was later (and the son was invited to that). So she didn't think to include him. Of course you are right, she should really push to keep the son involved, especially considering her husband's condidition.
 
I will sit on the same side as you.

OP, your DH is very ill and has few father's days left. Why would you exclude this son? What is this is the last father's day?

You and your DH kicked him out of your home less than a year ago. You complain all the time that he does not talk to you etc. This was a great olive branch and you did not offer it. Not to forget but you let a non-related man of the same age stay in your basement, did kick him out later, when you kicked out your son. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!!!????:confused3

Way too harsh. It was NOT the father's day celebration he was excluded from! He's still p.o.'d about his place in the family, much of it he created himself. This is not about the missed meal people. Another poster is correct about a chip on his shoulder that's been there a long time. He will use his toddler tactics to punish his mother as long as she allows him to. Stand firm mom and stop allowing him to dictate how you feel. Why is the mother being targeted here? Why not the father??? Why isn't anyone criticizing HIM for not calling the son?
 
I am 21 and would never, ever even dream of acting like such a child. Perhaps it would have been nice if you asked him, but he is totally an adult and it was his responsibility to make the effort to see his dad on Father's Day. I do not see how you really did anything bad.
 

So now he's pouting, even though I have apologized several times. He told me "that's okay, I know I'm not your favorite." I"d like to say I don't have favorites, but I do. And it's not the one he thinks (DD). It's Christian. Christian is the only one who never gets upset, has never said "I hate you, I wish you would die", has never argued or tried to manipulate me. So, yeah, if I must be truthful, Christian is my favorite. But I never would say that to my other kids and I certainly do not slight them on purpose. It was just a neglectful act on my part, and I'm very sorry.

I KNEW it.......:rotfl2:

My Mom says that too.....:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Sounds like a lot of manipulation to me.

Lisa
 
The OP admits she made a mistake, and even apologized to her son. I think the issue is that he won't let it drop. How many apologies should she make. It was an honest mistake. They weren't going out to celebrate Father's day, that was later (and the son was invited to that). So she didn't think to include him. Of course you are right, she should really push to keep the son involved, especially considering her husband's condidition.

This is the important part here. If the father was not ill, like in just a few years at most (she did post that he got worse a few weeks back) then it would have not been as bad a mistake.
 
Sorry, minkydog, it doesn't qualify. You're still a good (really, really good) parent.

In case some of you don't realize, Minkydog's DS Christian is severely mentally handicapped. He is 15 years old with the mentality of an 18 month old. I think that Minkydog may be labeling Christian as her "favorite" only because he needs her and will always need her like neither of her other children do or ever will. Christian just simply does not have the capacity for dislike and hate. Like she said, Christian will never, ever tell her he hates her and wants her to die (like I believe her DS23 did at one point). It's pretty easy to understand how Christian might rank a bit higher in her mind.

I believe, like a PP said, that she loves all her kids the same and equally. But she may not like them all the same. Honestly, how high would someone rank in your book if they told you they hated you and wanted you to die?

Thank you for the vote of confidence, and thank you all for understanding. You are right, DS23 spent about 5 years of his adolescence telling me on a daily basis that he hated me and hoped I would wake up dead. There were long periods when I was actually afraid of him. THankfully, he never crossed that line, but it made it's mark on me.

I will sit on the same side as you.

OP, your DH is very ill and has few father's days left. Why would you exclude this son? What is this is the last father's day?

You and your DH kicked him out of your home less than a year ago. You complain all the time that he does not talk to you etc. This was a great olive branch and you did not offer it. Not to forget but you let a non-related man of the same age stay in your basement, did kick him out later, when you kicked out your son. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL!!!!????:confused3

But we didn't kick him out. HE decided that he didn't want to clean his room, get a job, go to college, buy groceries or in any way contribute to the upkeep of the household. HE believed that we owed him that because, as he said, "I AM YOUR CHILD."

I have admitted to you and to him that I messed up. It was unintentional. THis was not a Father's Day dinner--that was planned for later in the day, which he was invited to. But you are right, I should have invited him. I should have.

As for Eric, the young man you allude to, he left a long time ago. He lived with us because he needed a place to stay ANNNNNNDDD was contributing rent, groceries, yard work, cooking, and errand-running to the household. Oh, and he was in college. Yes, I'm sure it did hurt John's feelings but JOhn could have had the same privelege IF he had been willing to live with the rules. He couldn't do that and CHOSE to separate from the family.

The OP admits she made a mistake, and even apologized to her son. I think the issue is that he won't let it drop. How many apologies should she make. It was an honest mistake. They weren't going out to celebrate Father's day, that was later (and the son was invited to that). So she didn't think to include him. Of course you are right, she should really push to keep the son involved, especially considering her husband's condidition.

I am very sorry that I didn't call John. Very sorry.

Way too harsh. It was NOT the father's day celebration he was excluded from! He's still p.o.'d about his place in the family, much of it he created himself. This is not about the missed meal people. Another poster is correct about a chip on his shoulder that's been there a long time. He will use his toddler tactics to punish his mother as long as she allows him to. Stand firm mom and stop allowing him to dictate how you feel. Why is the mother being targeted here? Why not the father??? Why isn't anyone criticizing HIM for not calling the son?

John has been an attention sponge since he was born. There has never been enough time, possessions, accolades, whatever--he always needs more. I have given whole years of my life to give him the tools to make a better life, he has rejected them all. He struggled in school--I homeschooled him for 9 years just so he would have a chance at graduating. I hired tutors. He had music lessons, which he thrived in. He had religious education and cultural education. I read to him(and the family) aloud for years. He was not coddled, but we were always even-handed with him. We never screamed, cursed, or used ridicule or sarcasm with any of the children(nor the adults.) And it was never enough. He has always needed to see tangibly that we love him the best. And that means spending money on him--that's his love language. Stuff. The more stuff the better. You are right. THe thing he was most upset about was that we didn't buy him a meal. Instead I popped a pizza in the oven and he ate that, not sharing even with his sister. It was alllll his. I don't think he will ever be different. John does not ever call me to talk. He calls his sister. He calls his dad when he wants to eat out or to ask for money(I do NOT give him money!) John has not recognized our birthdays, Christmas or Mother's/Father's Days in the last 7 years.

This is the important part here. If the father was not ill, like in just a few years at most (she did post that he got worse a few weeks back) then it would have not been as bad a mistake.

You are right. And I usually go out of my way to make sure he's included. I call him at least once or twice a week to join us for dinner. Sometimes I get my daughter to call, because he won't usually answer when i call him. Do I sound like I feel guilty enough? I am. I do feel guilty, for not being the mother that my kids deserve. I have never been good enough. I will never be good enough. Right now I feel like the most hated woman in the world, not because people who don't know me disapprove of me. BUt because my own children are disappointed in me. All ever wanted was to be a mother. I truly do not regret the sacrifices I have made for them. It goes with parenthood. I have never resented my kids, even though this particular one has made my life a living hell at times. I love him. I'm proud of him. I messed up and I can't take it back. I'm not going to keep apologizing to him because I have already apologized. Another apology will not undo what was unintentionally done. :guilty: And I'm sure I will continue to hear about this incident (from him)for years to come
 
He's 23 years old, he's certainly old enough to pick up the phone and call. I'm 26 and I was the one to call my parents and ask what their plans were for Father's Day. Don't feel too badly, he's trying to make you feel guilty. He definitely has to take part responsibility for not finding out what your plans were.
 
I wish you were nearby so I could have a cup of coffee with you (or wine!) and tell you it will be ok. Maybe he won't change. But YOU can change how you react to HIM. Once you stop playing the same record with him, it will change for you. I promise. You have to give him a chance to change and this can only happen if you get off the guilt train and take steps to protect your mental well being. When he tries the guilt trip, do not engage. Change the subject. If he won't stop, tell him you will not engage anymore and leave the room. Powerful message without drama. You are good enough. Please believe it. :hug:
 
Please don't let the "better than yous" get you down. You went out for a bite to eat. It was NOT Father's Day "dinner". Your son sounds manipulative and spiteful. You have enough to deal with without giving in to one of his guilt trips. What does he think will make it up to him? A new car?

I think you are realizing it will never be enough with him. Hold your head up high. You don't need this drama on top of everything else.
 
You did nothing intentionally and you have already apologized for not including him. Don't beat yourself up about this! You sound like you are a great mother! :goodvibes
 
We had been camping with DS for the Fathers Day weekend. When we arrived home mid day he couldn't wait to bail on us and go to the Rodeo that night. He helped dump the coolers in the driveway and headed to his student apt.

Sooooo along about 7 or so, I looked at DH and said "you wanna go for ice cream?" we got DD and headed to Swenson's where we all ordered huge sundaes, I took a picture of them and sent them to DS with the message "missing you on FATHERS DAY" :lmao: serves him right!

Minkydog - your son is behaving like a 3 year old, he will get over it.
 
Minkydog - STOP, STOP, STOP!!! You have done (I believe) EVERYTHING you possibly could for all of your children. Everything I've ever read from you on these boards tells me that you are an extremely caring and nurturing parent who really only wants the best for all of your children. I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about at all.

Of course we all has some missteps in how we handle our dealing in our relationships. That's what makes us human. The important thing is to learn from it. You've done that. It's time to start the next day fresh.

Now, don't make me break out the pom poms and do a MINKYDOG cheer. Nobody wants to see that.
 
Minkydog - STOP, STOP, STOP!!! You have done (I believe) EVERYTHING you possibly could for all of your children. Everything I've ever read from you on these boards tells me that you are an extremely caring and nurturing parent who really only wants the best for all of your children. I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about at all.

Of course we all has some missteps in how we handle our dealing in our relationships. That's what makes us human. The important thing is to learn from it. You've done that. It's time to start the next day fresh.

Now, don't make me break out the pom poms and do a MINKYDOG cheer. Nobody wants to see that.


:laughing: Ya'll made me laugh. Truth is, I think I'm getting depressed again. I've done real well for about 9 months (I was hospitalized twice last year for depression.) I'm sure it has to do with all the recent trauma in my life (car wreck, DH sick, Christian, etc.) I'm going to give it another day or so. If I'm not feeling better by Thursday I'm going to call for an emergency appt. I can't afford to let this get ahold of me again.
 
I think your DS needs to be more understanding of your situation. I've just read this whole thread, and it seems like you have a LOT going on in your life right now. I'm a similar age to your DS, and have been living away from home for about the same amount of time. Living as an adult has been a real learning curve and I understand why your DS might have felt left out, but I don't think you can be faulted for feeding the family members you were with at the time when they were hungry. It wasn't a pre-planned Father's Day celebration that he was purposely left out of. He has the right to be a bit miffed, but logically you're in the right and part of the challenge of moving away from your family and becoming independent is realising that things go on without you and that you have to make an active effort to include yourself in the family life, particularly when people are going through hardships. I hope things take a turn for the better for you very soon :grouphug:
 
:laughing: Ya'll made me laugh. Truth is, I think I'm getting depressed again. I've done real well for about 9 months (I was hospitalized twice last year for depression.) I'm sure it has to do with all the recent trauma in my life (car wreck, DH sick, Christian, etc.) I'm going to give it another day or so. If I'm not feeling better by Thursday I'm going to call for an emergency appt. I can't afford to let this get ahold of me again.

You don't know me at all..but I know the you that can be known through these boards and quietly sitting back & reading. Now is the time to tell you that you have had someone else in your corner praying for you and your family
I think of you often if anyone has the right to feel depressed it is you but believe that while different problems we all have our crosses to bear and with enough faith & people praying for you it will all work out Stand Strong :hug:
 
You don't know me at all..but I know the you that can be known through these boards and quietly sitting back & reading. Now is the time to tell you that you have had someone else in your corner praying for you and your family
I think of you often if anyone has the right to feel depressed it is you but believe that while different problems we all have our crosses to bear and with enough faith & people praying for you it will all work out Stand Strong :hug:

Thank you very much. I don't know why this has hit me so hard. I was rocking along pretty well. And I try not to feel sorry for myself. Plenty of people are dealing with way worse stuff. Thanks for lifting my up. I'm sure it will help.:)
 
Thank you very much. I don't know why this has hit me so hard. I was rocking along pretty well. And I try not to feel sorry for myself. Plenty of people are dealing with way worse stuff. Thanks for lifting my up. I'm sure it will help.:)

Sweetie, please don't beat yourself up over this. Your son needs to put on his big boy pants and deal with it.

I realize that I don't really know you from Adam, but I've read your posts on the DIS for awhile now. As the mother of a DS with a variety of special needs myself, I am often inspired by you. I know you are going through a lot right now, so please try to take care of yourself and know that lots of us care :grouphug:
 


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