Uber "scam"

My major issue with these companies is that they gained a unfair advantage over their competitors (taxi companies) by breaking the law. If your business model is based on fraud, you shouldn't be in business.
Using your argument guess that means many taxi companies need to go too. They have an unfair advantage over anyone that wants to open a competing business where the long established ones are in place.
A lot of them prevent competitors from getting licenses by controlling the boards in the local municipalities. They own taxi companies and then sit on the board that grants licenses to new ones. Amazing how no knew ones are ever issued. Them, beer and tow/wrecking boards are very corrupt arms of Government. Probably the worse of them all at the moment, on the local level.
 
The fact that other companies do unethical or illegal things is not a defense, in my book.
Then call them out and boycott them too...
My major issue with these companies is that they gained a unfair advantage over their competitors (taxi companies) by breaking the law. If your business model is based on fraud, you shouldn't be in business.
That's a legitimate complaint, and it's exactly what Uber and Lyft did. They violated local for-hire regulations and established their business outside of those regulations.

Their counter-argument would be that violating those local regulations was the only way to penetrate a totally corrupt system that took advantage of both consumers and the drivers who worked for those companies.

But, did they violate local laws and regulations? You betcha.
In order to get around labor laws, ride share companies fraudulently (in my view) categorize their drivers are independent contractors.
We ARE independent contractors.

When I ran my own consulting business, I used my own equipment, office space, other resources, etc to provide services to my clients. I paid the overhead of acquiring and maintaining the equipment I used. I worked for whom I chose, when I chose, where I chose, for contracted consideration. If at any time they were not happy with me, they could terminate the relationship without cause. So could I.

As an Uber/Lyft driver, I use my own car, pay for all the expenses of the vehicle, my accountant's fees and other administrative costs. I work when and where I choose. I freely select which rides I will or will not accept. After acceptance, I am free to cancel any ride without completion. I can terminate any ride at any time for any reason. I get paid a contracted rate. Either I or the companies can terminate the relationship at any time for no reason. How is that not independent contracting?

The independent contractor argument is used by folks who WANT to be employees -- because they want employee pay and benefits. But the truth is, they don't want to give up the flexibility of independent contracting.

There are, incidentally, full-time employment opportunities with both companies for drivers who want to become employees, and Uber also provides educational/job training (coding) opportunities for drivers who want to take advantage of them.

There IS a REAL legal distinction question with these companies, but "independent contractor" is not it.

The REAL legitimate issue is whether they should be classified at "technology" companies or transportation providers. The companies, of course, insist they are simply technology companies providing the connection between driver and rider...which IS actually all they do.
 
Sorry, but I'm not buying it. It's all smoke and mirrors used to get around existing laws. Heck, even the term "ride sharing" is a deliberate misnomer. Ride sharing is taking someone along on an existing trip. But, that's not what Uber or Lyft is about.

This is exactly the type of scenario we discussed in my business ethics course in grad school. Simply put...if you think a rule or law is unjust, you work to change the law. You don't get to just ignore it.

Using your argument guess that means many taxi companies need to go too. They have an unfair advantage over anyone that wants to open a competing business where the long established ones are in place.

I have no problem with that. I never claimed that the status quo is fair or just. I'm merely saying that start-up companies shouldn't get to pick and choose which law/regulations they follow.

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As fun as it is to debate, I'm done here. I said what I needed to say. There's literally no argument that will change my mind. And I'm guessing the same is true on the other side. Anyone undecided now has read both sides.
 

Simply put...if you think a rule or law is unjust, you work to change the law. You don't get to just ignore it.
Which is exactly what Florida did in 2017. The Legislature changed the existing law, removed all local control of rideshare, and made rideshare legal statewide and totally under state control.

Corrupt local officials still have control over taxis, so their revenue streams were not interrupted.

Our rideshare law (which governs WDW) went into effect on July 1, 2017. One of the beneficial effects for WDW visitors is that the law scuttled the corrupt MCO regulations and allowed arriving passengers to take any level of rideshare they want -- dropping visitor fares from $50-$60 to $20-$30 to WDW.
 
Okay, then, I've also seen it referee to (more accurately) as ridehailing.
Technically, the legal definition in Florida is Transportation Networking Companies (TNC). Florida law doesn't talk about ride hailing, because that usually refers to flagging down a driver on the street like you would hail a taxi. That is legal for taxis in Florida, but a criminal offense for TNC drivers. TNC drivers are not permitted to accept any rides except those requested via a TNC company app.

Also, just FYI, both Uber and Lyft DO provide shared rides -- although not in the Orlando market. Uber has Uber Pool and Express Pool, and Lyft has Lyft Shared. Many drivers will not accept shared rides because the bottom line is the company receives multiple fares and the driver only receives one fare. In many cases, the driver receives no payment at all for additional riders and stops -- or, with Uber in my market, 50 cents! :cool1:

Issues with riders and ratings are also common with shared rides.
 
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This is exactly the type of scenario we discussed in my business ethics course in grad school. Simply put...if you think a rule or law is unjust, you work to change the law. You don't get to just ignore it.

You do not have a chance of changing the law unless you buy off all of the corrupt politicians. Uber and Lyft made a choice to make a creative interpretation of the existing laws and exploit their loopholes. The alternative was to throw money into local elections and get different politicians elected that would change the laws to allow Uber and Lyft. Uber and Lyft chose the former option. Both options have their supporters.
 
Get over yourselves the quote had a highlight that gave away the poster was a driver..he may have posted earlier but it's something I didn't catching reading that specific post.

You guys like Uber that's fine but geeze I didn't realize Uber had all these fanatics that think it can't do anywrong just like Disney does.
This isn't a case of 'fanatics that think it can't do anything wrong'..it's a case of people being realistic. Nothing is perfect, everything has it's down side.
We all realize that no one company is exempt from negative stuff happening. Do I take uber or lyft by myself? No, but then again, I'm not a public transportation person, even taking cabs is foreign to me!!! But, if I'm with a friend, we use Uber a lot, with no issues. Now, I have had issues with cabs in WDW...the old 'sorry, I don't have change' situation. Well I have a $20, a $5 and 3 $1's....what do you think you're getting for an $8 charge? Yup, exact change, no tip. But what would have happened if I had only that $20???
My dd used Uber to get from Disney housing to work on many occasions...only one time did she feel at all uncomfortable. The driver mentioned what pretty eyes she had so early in the day and did she take Uber every day?? She just looked at him and said 'Really? That's what you're going with?' He was silent the rest of the ride.
I guess it's time to take a photo of the seats as we exit the car now...just in case.

And thanks JimMia for all the insights...we appreciate them.
 
***Update to my original post*** We finally reached a different customer rep at Uber and have been refunded the $20 cleaning fee. They couldn't refund our tip, and we gave the driver a 5 star review but I'm satisfied that we were refunded the erroneous charge.
 
Glad to hear you got the refund. I sure hope they took appropriate action to annotate the record of that driver and determine if there is a history of this type of claim by them.
 














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