TSA will announce screening changes at 11 am EDT Mon., Sept 25th.

[bicker]

I might buy this IF the TSA hadn't been telling people for the last month they couldn't bring on stuff bought in the terminal since it wasn't secure.

You can choose to "buy" whatever you want to, and choose to discount whatever you want to. They've now established a measure of assurance that allowing liquids purchased on the concourse is sufficiently secure. Keep in mind that they have to satisfy various needs, not just yours, and not the least of which is the requirement that they act with appropriate prudence and fitting deliberation.

 

[salmoneous]

They've now established a measure of assurance that allowing liquids purchased on the concourse is sufficiently secure.

Really? How do you think they did that?

While we are at it, got any idea why it's OK to bring liquids through security if they are toiletries, but not OK to bring liquids through security if they are beverages? You think that is due to scientifically studied safety reasons? How about the 3oz each container rule - you think that adds to our safety - you think there are liquids that are dangerous in 6oz containers, but safe when split into 2 3oz containers?

The TSA is a rule making organization - so they made a bunch of rules. It's nannyism - people imposing rules that don't make us safer but to distract the TSA from real threats.

The TSA exists to for one need - transportation safety. That's not my need, that's everyone's. Having TSA agents figure out if a mom is feeding her kid formula, breast milk or cow's milk may be part of somebody's agenda, but it isn't making transportation safer.

Overall, the TSA does a great job. But that doesn't mean all their rules should be immune for criticism.

 

[bicker]

Really? How do you think they did that?

Gosh. Now you think to ask that? -- rather than when you cavalierly labeled the rules as "silliness". Now that you've finally started thinking instead of emoting, perhaps you can direct your question at TSA (because I really don't feel it necessary to challenge their professional opinion, as you apparently do), and actually be open to believing their explanation, instead of simply assuming that they're lying to you.

 

[salmoneous]

Gosh. Now that you've finally started thinking instead of emoting,

Personal attacks? I thought that beneath you... Personally, I find my points (in this thread at least) to be perfectly reasonable. Maybe right, maybe wrong. But certainly based on thinking rather than "emoting".

Look, you feel perfectly comfortable answering questions about why the TSA does stuff. Don't go attacking other people for doing the same thing, just because you don't agree with their answer. If you don't like my answers, show why I'm wrong - don't get on my case just fur the concept of expressing an opinion.

 

[goofy4tink]

Are the rules silly? Do they make us safer? Should we be allowed to bring more on board with us? All 'fair enough' questions. But, since we aren't going to change them, with debate here on the DIS boards, perhaps we might want to try to agree to disagree?! Sure, I don't see a huge difference in 4 oz. vs 8 oz...but obviously the TSA does. I would be happy if they allowed one tote bag on as carryon but I'm not a business traveler. So...perhaps the gate attendants should start enforcing the bag size limits, as well as the number of bags that are lugged on board. Perhaps they should allow you to bring those liquids in your carryon that are important to you, for whatever reason, but they have to be screened more thoroughly. Have no problem with that.
I just want to see the attitudes, and tones, here stay civil and pleasant.

 

[NotUrsula]

I think that for the most part, this quantity limit is a compromise worked out in favor of just about everyone (except, perhaps, passengers). The airlines get fewer carryon bags but also fewer irate business travellers, and the airport vendors get more sales. The feds get to look a bit more reasonable, and TSO's don't have to deal with constantly weighing whether or not to ignore people who are trying to smuggle small quantities on their person.

I'm waiting to see if winter messes with idea of how much is reasonable with regard to food/drinks for young children. If you've read the Trib's famous "Camp O'Hare" story (which happened on a Sept day, actually), you know that passengers can end up stranded in terminals for well over 24 hours, and currently, airside merchants dealing in baby food/supplies are few and far between. (Any of you Chicagoland folks want to open a BRUS mini-mart at O'Hare?)

I think that this particular limit will stick, with perhaps some adjustments to accomodate duty-free purchases coming in from abroad. It will be interesting to see whether merchants decide to open new outlets in airports (both landside and airside) to take advantage. It will also be interesting to see how many municipalities pass new "street-pricing" ordinances that cover airports.

I'm not going to say I'm totally satisfied with the changes, but I can live with the new limits without undue hardship.

 

[dsneygirl]

A US gallon is about four liters, so it would be a larger bag.

Thank you. I checked and the ones I have are 3.97L so probably 1 gallon.

 

[NotUrsula]

The allowed on-board toiletries package must be in a QUART bag, not a gallon.
For metric folks, that is no larger than .946 litres.

 

[bicker]

Personal attacks?

Not at all -- rather just an observation. You started with calling something "silliness" and then later wondered why they might be doing things that certain way. Reasoned review requires asking questions first, then making judgement.

Look, you feel perfectly comfortable answering questions about why the TSA does stuff.

I don't bother answering questions about "why" -- I focus on the "what".

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

What other modes of transportation are there for business people, that have a 1 day business trip that is 1500-2000 miles away, and only need a small carry on and prefer not to check it?

You may 'prefer' not to check your bag... but isn't the whole point of your trip to get your job done? If you were truly a conscientious objector, you'd get a job that doesn't require air travel

This the most ridiculous thing I have heard. What does this accomplish?? So you can pay the "rip off" prices at the airport stores for contact solution,toothpaste,etc. Then you throw it away when you get ready for your return trip, because it is used and opened???????

The TSA is a joke!!!

If you read the new directives thoroughly, you'd see those items can be brought in quart-size ziplock baggies from home. And why would you throw away travel size items anyway if you know you may need them again? Simply refill from your regular size items. Why do people make things harder on themselves than they really are? Personally, I'm happy I can take a 4 shot white mocha on my morning flights now.

Happy traveling!

 

[bicker]

Why do people make things harder on themselves than they really are?

Why indeed!!??