TSA to allow snow globes

[vacationclub]

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_n...es-on-snow-globes-at-airport-checkpoints?lite

From the article...

"The move is part of TSA's ongoing reassessment of its rules, Castelveter said.
The rule is expected to be fully in place by mid-August -- just in time for end-of summer trips to Disneyland, SeaWorld and Busch Gardens."

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

http://on.msnbc.com/O8eJmr

From the article...

"The move is part of TSA's ongoing reassessment of its rules, Castelveter said.
The rule is expected to be fully in place by mid-August -- just in time for end-of summer trips to Disneyland, SeaWorld and Busch Gardens."

More proof that the liquid "ban" is USELESS!

The Thousands Standing Around pretending to be security. Wonder when they will finally admit the truth on this liquid nonsense!

 

[bumbershoot]

The link doesn't work for me, but I read what you quoted.

I'll say that I'm happy that they have reviewed things and have decided to change what they've been doing to some extent. Maybe I'll buy a snow globe now.

 

[vacationclub]

The link doesn't work for me, but I read what you quoted.

I'll say that I'm happy that they have reviewed things and have decided to change what they've been doing to some extent. Maybe I'll buy a snow globe now.

I just changed the link. I was using one of those link shortening web sites, but maybe they are only good for a limited time. The original link is there now.

I thought it was interesting because I've heard first hand accounts of the TSA at MCO taking Disney snow globes away. I guess they will have to start buying their own now.

 

[KrazeeK120]

I do think that the snowglobe rule was ridiculous and I'm glad they're changing it.

HOWEVER, it isn't like it is some kind of secret that containers of liquid larger than 3 oz. are not allowed on airplanes. And the snowglobes even said on them that they would not be allowed in carry-on luggage. I purchased one once (when I drove to WDW) and the CM at the counter ALSO reminded me of the rule. I told him no worries, I was driving.

I'm not sure why people would be upset that a banned item was being taken away. You can think the rule is stupid all you want, but you still have to follow it if you want to fly. They shouldn't have put it in their carry-on in the first place. (I just looked at the tag on the bottom of mine, and it says "Reminder, this snow globe cannot be in carry on luggage.")

But like I said, I'm glad that the TSA figured out the absurdity of this particular rule and is making exceptions for snowglobes.

 

[dudspizza]

I'm not sure why people would be upset that a banned item was being taken away. You can think the rule is stupid all you want, but you still have to follow it if you want to fly. They shouldn't have put it in their carry-on in the first place. (I just looked at the tag on the bottom of mine, and it says "Reminder, this snow globe cannot be in carry on luggage.")

Yeah, I watched a lady at the TSA checkpoint at LAX screaming at the agents because she didn't realize that the liquid cosmetics she had just purchased for hundred of dollars could not be taken as carry on......

 

[Hoopfamily]

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/16/12774618-tsa-relaxing-rules-on-snow-globes-at-airport-checkpoints?lite

From the article...

"The move is part of TSA's ongoing reassessment of its rules, Castelveter said.
The rule is expected to be fully in place by mid-August -- just in time for end-of summer trips to Disneyland, SeaWorld and Busch Gardens."

It's sully though. Snowglobe includung base have to fit in your quart size 3-1-1 bag with all your other liquids.

 

[mom2brooke76]

I agree with the previous poster. What good is this rule for most snow globes when they have to fit in your quart sized bag, AND you're only allowed one bag? I, for one, use a quart sized bag on all trips to carry some things and would have no room for a tiny snow globe in addition. It will be news when they allow the larger snow globes to be carried on, IMO.

 

[vacationclub]

I agree with the previous poster. What good is this rule for most snow globes when they have to fit in your quart sized bag, AND you're only allowed one bag? I, for one, use a quart sized bag on all trips to carry some things and would have no room for a tiny snow globe in addition. It will be news when they allow the larger snow globes to be carried on, IMO.

Yes, but at least they are making some progress at lightening up on.... (as another poster put it)... absurdities.

While it must share space in the bag of liquids, since you are probably on the way home with the globe, you may be willing to live with less liquids in that carry on bag to shove in a snow globe if you wanted. Having the liquids upon arrival to a hotel is a lot more important than having them upon arrival to your home.

Question: should TSA employees also be called "cast members"?

 

[Tara]

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I thought it was interesting because I've heard first hand accounts of the TSA at MCO taking Disney snow globes away. I guess they will have to start buying their own now.

Yeah, TSA created this dastardly plan to ban snow globes so that "unwitting"* Disney tourists would buy them, attempt to carry them through security, thereby providing MCO agents with access to free snow globes. Because that's what people living in Orlando need...free Disney knick-knacks.

*I've never seen a snow globe display at Disney that didn't state the TSA rule.

 

[vacationclub]

Yeah, TSA created this dastardly plan to ban snow globes so that "unwitting"* Disney tourists would buy them, attempt to carry them through security, thereby providing MCO agents with access to free snow globes. Because that's what people living in Orlando need...free Disney knick-knacks.

*I've never seen a snow globe display at Disney that didn't state the TSA rule.

I don't think they created that "dastardly" plan, as you called it, just so they could get access to free snow globes. But it is a convenient side effect for them, especially at the airports that stopped allowing you to mail your confiscated items back home.

 

[bumbershoot]

HOWEVER, it isn't like it is some kind of secret that containers of liquid larger than 3 oz. are not allowed on airplanes. And the snowglobes even said on them that they would not be allowed in carry-on luggage. I purchased one once (when I drove to WDW) and the CM at the counter ALSO reminded me of the rule. I told him no worries, I was driving.

I'm not sure why people would be upset that a banned item was being taken away. You can think the rule is stupid all you want, but you still have to follow it if you want to fly. They shouldn't have put it in their carry-on in the first place. (I just looked at the tag on the bottom of mine, and it says "Reminder, this snow globe cannot be in carry on luggage.")

The amazing thing about humans, though, is that they don't always pay attention. Might not notice the signs at the display (or maybe the sign was knocked down earlier). Might not notice the sticker. Might not make the connection between liquid and snow globe.

I'm sure there are some people who bought them and thought they'd get away with something...but I bet there are far more who just didn't notice those things or think of it.

I mean, we are seasoned travelers, and DH travels extensively for work, but last year he put his brand new, purchased-on-amazing-sale, full sized hair gel in his carryon. And it was, of course, tossed. He's a guy who buys small deodorant b/c he just doesn't want to be hassled about if it's gel or solid, and yet he made that error.

Question: should TSA employees also be called "cast members"?

My 8 year old calls every employee of *anywhere* CMs.

 

[vacationclub]

The amazing thing about humans, though, is that they don't always pay attention. Might not notice the signs at the display (or maybe the sign was knocked down earlier). Might not notice the sticker. Might not make the connection between liquid and snow globe.

I'm sure there are some people who bought them and thought they'd get away with something...but I bet there are far more who just didn't notice those things or think of it.

I mean, we are seasoned travelers, and DH travels extensively for work, but last year he put his brand new, purchased-on-amazing-sale, full sized hair gel in his carryon. And it was, of course, tossed. He's a guy who buys small deodorant b/c he just doesn't want to be hassled about if it's gel or solid, and yet he made that error.




My 8 year old calls every employee of *anywhere* CMs.

Yea, and the funny thing about the snow globes is that if you didn't happen to notice the tag that might be underneath it, etc, you may not consider it to be a liquid since you can't really get to that liquid unless you break it and it goes everywhere. It's sort of outside some folks consideration of it being a liquid in the traditional sense.

The thing about banning liquids beyond a certain limited size is that it does nothing to stop more than 1 persons from bringing in multiple containers (or multiple tiny snow globes for that matter) and meeting up after they get through security. If bad guys can figure out how to pull off the horror of 9/11, (which could never happen today due to changing basic things that were exploited then) they can certainly figure out how to get around a limit on liquids per person, a policy that ends up simply being an inconvenience instead of a legitimate safety measure. We still take off our shoes because some guy tried to shove something in his. If TSA could get away with it, we'd have to take off our clothes.

I mentioned cast members since I believe TSA is just a show, an illusion, and that if we really have to rely on barely trained, low wage earning people that are simply following routines instead of truly doing intel and analysis of the flyers....we're screwed.

 

[aubriee]

If bad guys can figure out how to pull off the horror of 9/11they can certainly figure out how to get around a limit on liquids per person, a policy that ends up simply being an inconvenience instead of a legitimate safety measure. We still take off our shoes because some guy tried to shove something in his. If TSA could get away with it, we'd have to take off our clothes.

I mentioned cast members since I believe TSA is just a show, an illusion, and that if we really have to rely on barely trained, low wage earning people that are simply following routines instead of truly doing intel and analysis of the flyers....we're screwed.

Last Feb my husband and I took our very tiny 3 y/o GS to WDW. This kid is so small most people believe he is barely 2 y/o. According to my D-I-L he is not even on the growth chart at all anymore. He's healthy, just very very tiny. He is also very addicted to his sippy cup (like alot of toddlers must have a stuffed toy, blanket, or pacifier, he's never without one) Anyway, we had the first flight out of DFW that morning, so had to leave home around 3am. We let my GS sleep until we got to the airport and then just carried him in. Of course, he woke up and immediately had to have his sippy cup. Knowing that toddlers were allowed bottles and sippy cups and considering how tiny he is, I didn't even consider that it would be a problem. Wrong! While we were still in line a TSA agent saw him drinking from his cup and came over to tell us it could not go through security. I politely explained that I had read the TSA site and thought toddlers were allowed things like sippy cups of juice. He informed me that unless he was a babe in arms, he could not have it and since he was able to walk I had to dump it. I had a very sleepy, thirsty, irritable toddler on my hands when we had to take his little cup of apple juice away. It was one of those small, almost clear disposable sippy cups, so easy to see exactly what was inside. Since he was obviously drinking from it, obviously there was nothing dangerous in it. However, the TSA agents could not see the obvious and made us take it away from him. We just dumped it and got him some more once we got past security. Not really a problem, but you'd think the TSA agents would use just a little common sense.

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

Yeah, I watched a lady at the TSA checkpoint at LAX screaming at the agents because she didn't realize that the liquid cosmetics she had just purchased for hundred of dollars could not be taken as carry on......

Of course if she had worked for the airlines, airport, airport concessions, or the TSA then she could have carried it ALL on

And let's not forget one of the "liquid bomb plotters" worked for the airport.


Theatre in action

 

[vacationclub]

However, the TSA agents could not see the obvious and made us take it away from him. We just dumped it and got him some more once we got past security. Not really a problem, but you'd think the TSA agents would use just a little common sense.

Yea, I kinda knew where that story was headed... That's my problem with the TSA; the total and complete lack of any reason, logic, or common sense. They are just robots programmed with a code...they simply follow the routine they were programmed for. And the reason their superiors (and the government that runs the TSA) do it this way is because they KNOW they can't afford to pay actual, analytical thinking "agents", they can only afford an army of laborers. Sorry, but that's the cold hard reality. These are simply people who go through a class and a list of rules and routines...period. They are not specialists, with any special training. They are simply deputized, so to speak, and told to apply their routine to everyone, no exceptions, and the superiors know its safer that way than to trust them to make these decisions about sippy cups.

I travel with various electronic items in my carry on bags (because I will never check these items to get damaged, lost or stolen). These are not ipods or laptops (although I have those too) but items that these folks don't understand. I routinely remove most of them and put them into their own bins. I once had a TSA agent look through one of these items that has it's own carry case, after scanning twice, and finally found...........a spare 9 volt battery. They guy looks at me as says...."ah ha!. Terrorists use these." He said I should not carry it through an airport, as if I was a first-time traveler. I told him, "that's funny, it's been through dozens of airports, including this one, my home airport, many times, and you're the first to mention it. He didn't take it away, he just put it back and let me go. I think he felt as if he had to find something to justify their looking so intently.

Then I think I heard the director off-stage say ".....and...CUT!" Good show! Gosh, I feel much safer.

 

[Carriemel]

Problem with snow globes is this:

Inside the glass bulb is "liquid". This "liquid" can range from water to, oh, I dunno, explosive material like nitroglycerin, isopropyl nitrate, methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (basically a high-quality nailm polish remover), or something like that. If a person makes a non-metallic detonator, inserts that into the base, turns the crank a few times and VOILA...instant bomb.

I really don't think it's a good idea for snowglobes to be allowed. But that's just me.

 

[lylone]

I think the TSA rules are very inconsistent.
We always get X-ray scanned in MCO when we are coming home from Disney.

On our last trip back from Cancun, we of course were pushed over to the X ray scanners. we are getting pretty used to them and I wonder....

Well, I get done with the scan and the TSA lady tells me she has to pat down my legs? I look down and say "My legs, I have shorts on!" and the lady says "you have a problem with that". I say "no".
But it still to this day makes me wonder.....

What in the world was I hiding on my bare legs? I could understand pat down on my hips, butt, stomach...but my bare legs?
She rubbed my bare legs with her gloved hands, gave me a look and said I could leave.
Yeah, sure she was doing her job. But that is pretty extreme!

 

[vacationclub]

Problem with snow globes is this:

Inside the glass bulb is "liquid". This "liquid" can range from water to, oh, I dunno, explosive material like nitroglycerin, isopropyl nitrate, methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (basically a high-quality nailm polish remover), or something like that. If a person makes a non-metallic detonator, inserts that into the base, turns the crank a few times and VOILA...instant bomb.

I really don't think it's a good idea for snowglobes to be allowed. But that's just me.

Yea, I hear you on the possibilities. But that would mean that the bad guy figured out a way to manufacture a snow globe (a liquid sealed with toys inside glass) complete with branding from Disney or whatever. If they can do that, they can figure out how to make what looks like a (insert anything here) that's really a (insert bad thing here). But we haven't banned everything, just snow globes, until now, because they contained a sealed liquid. People bring things through security all day long that the TSA doesn't understand, but it's easy to simply "program" TSA to restrict all liquids beyond X amount, regardless of the nature of how the liquid exists.

And, again, if they really wanted to bring in an explosive liquid in the amount that a snow globe contains, there is nothing stopping them except finding a travel partner. Two people carrying a permitted amount of a clear substance can meet up later and make their bomb. They don't need to go to the trouble to learn how to make snow globes with perfect Disney branding.

 

[vacationclub]

I think the TSA rules are very inconsistent.
We always get X-ray scanned in MCO when we are coming home from Disney.

On our last trip back from Cancun, we of course were pushed over to the X ray scanners. we are getting pretty used to them and I wonder....

Well, I get done with the scan and the TSA lady tells me she has to pat down my legs? I look down and say "My legs, I have shorts on!" and the lady says "you have a problem with that". I say "no".
But it still to this day makes me wonder.....

What in the world was I hiding on my bare legs? I could understand pat down on my hips, butt, stomach...but my bare legs?
She rubbed my bare legs with her gloved hands, gave me a look and said I could leave.
Yeah, sure she was doing her job. But that is pretty extreme!

If you were returning from Cancun (In Mexico) why were you going through TSA? Is the TSA in Mexico too, or did you land in the US, then have to go through US Security before boarding another plane?