TSA ? - 3 oz of product in a 4 oz container?

[kaytieeldr]

Since this conversation is veering off course, I'll try to bring it back in line...
I plan to bring my contacts case with solution in it in case of an emergency lay over but pack my bottle of solution in the suitcase. I certainly hope that's allowed.

Yes, that will be allowed. I'm not sure whether the lens case must/should be in the ziploc bag (hey, maybe this is all a ploy to increase Glad's sales!), but lens cases with solution have been allowed almost all along, I think.

 

[CarolA]

Don't hold your breath waiting for the voice of reason from the TSA.

AMEN!

If you are concerned, my suggestion is to PRINT the TSA website info and be prepared to GIVE it to the agent on a power trip. I know several frequent flyers who never leave home without a print out of the LATEST TSA info in thier briefcase.

As to the "danger" do some research into WHAT wouild REALLY be requied for an effective liquid bomb..... And then figure out how your local terrorist is going to do that on a plane......... This is the TSA doing something to LOOK effective.

(And even when they have put in better technology they don't even use it right... case in point, the screening machines that screen you for explosive residue. I have seen these used in two airports, but YOU get to choose if you want to go thru the "puffer" or the old fashioned machine.... Hmm... If YOU were a terrorist who had been building a bomb which line would YOU pick?????)

 

[CPT Tripss]

RANT Sorry - I'm not gonna "get over it."
Just how is less than 3 oz of an unknown gel (or liquid for that matter) any different depending on how it is packaged?
Why can a bartender pour an ounce blindfolded, but someone who is charged with protecting air travel can't "eyeball" a 3 ounce container or judge 3 oz. in a somewhat larger container? Better training?
Until TSA gets rational and sensible, I will do what I can to challenge them. OK, the reality is that's not much more than posting right now as I do not want to miss my flights or go to jail.

 

[CarolA]

I have decided that I have no problem missing a flight...

If I am abused by the TSA and/or SEE abuse (i.e., YELL at the Senior Citizen "You could get out of that Wheel chair IF you wanted too") I ask for a supervisor. I have been told by TSA agents "you will miss your plane while you wait" I smile nicely and say "that's fine" I have not yet missed a plane. And when I file the complaint with the supervisor I point out that the "scare tactic" the agent tried on me is probably WHY the supervisor does not get MORE complaints.... For truly horrid cases (see my Senior Citizen rant) I get the name and badge number (sometimes I have to get this FROM the supervisor as the agents seem to think they don't have to give me this) and I write to the TSA with copies to all my elected officals in DC and the airport manager. In the Senior Citizen instance I even had the names of my fellow travelers who witnessed this act. All I know is that in all my remaining trips out of Nashville over the next year I never saw that JERK again so maybe it helped.

 

[bicker]

OK, the reality is that's not much more than posting right now as I do not want to miss my flights or go to jail.

Rant on. Just as long as the message folks just looking to enjoy their vacations get is that the TSA has reasons for their rules, and people should just comply with them. If you want to question the rules, the correct place to do so is in your Congressperson's office.

 

[magicaldisney]

Back to the OP original question. My husband just flew last week. He was able to bring the 4 oz. bottle of saline solution without any problems.

I suppose you can't guarantee that, but that was his experience.

 

[Michael623]

You know there are pharmacies in Florida right?

 

[Lewisc]

I'd hope I'd take the time to do the same thing under the same circumstances.

That is certainly an example of abuse. I've never witnessed any abuse, let alone abuse at that level. I hope it's rare.

CPT--I don't think the TSA representatives should be trained as bartenders to estimate the amount of liquid remaining in a bottle. The rule is designed to balance TSA security concerns against the desires of the passengers to be allowed small quantities of health and beauty aids in their carry on luggage. Some of the rules, such as the zip lock bag, are designed to expedite the screening process. It serves to limit the number of bottles and speeds the process of getting the bottles out of the luggage and into a bin.

I have decided that I have no problem missing a flight...

If I am abused by the TSA and/or SEE abuse (i.e., YELL at the Senior Citizen "You could get out of that Wheel chair IF you wanted too") I ask for a supervisor. I have been told by TSA agents "you will miss your plane while you wait" I smile nicely and say "that's fine" I have not yet missed a plane. And when I file the complaint with the supervisor I point out that the "scare tactic" the agent tried on me is probably WHY the supervisor does not get MORE complaints.... For truly horrid cases (see my Senior Citizen rant) I get the name and badge number (sometimes I have to get this FROM the supervisor as the agents seem to think they don't have to give me this) and I write to the TSA with copies to all my elected officals in DC and the airport manager. In the Senior Citizen instance I even had the names of my fellow travelers who witnessed this act. All I know is that in all my remaining trips out of Nashville over the next year I never saw that JERK again so maybe it helped.

 

[Lewisc]

You know there are pharmacies in Florida right?

The sample size bottle of saline that I caryy is 4 ounces. Sometimes I'll need to use saline in the plane or in the airport before I get my luggage. The TSA understands that, saline is allowed for medical reasons and isn't restricted to 3 ounces.

 

[CarolA]

The sample size bottle of saline that I caryy is 4 ounces. Sometimes I'll need to use saline in the plane or in the airport before I get my luggage. The TSA understands that, saline is allowed for medical reasons and isn't restricted to 3 ounces.

The TSA may, but YOUR TSA agent may not.... (Training and consistency are ISSUES here!)

 

[Lewisc]

The TSA may, but YOUR TSA agent may not.... (Training and consistency are ISSUES here!)

Actually my TSA agent disappeared to ask a supervisor. I didn't have to say anything. When he came back he commented that the saline was more than 3 ounces but his supervisor said it was OK. I told him I thought there was less than 3 ounces in the bottle and he told me that the rule refered to the bottle size but that didn't apply to medical stuff.

There may be some rude agents but I've never experienced any. He was polite, wasn't sure if it was allowed and checked with a supervisor without even having to be asked.

 

[CPT Tripss]

I feel better.
It's catching on.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15562940/site/newsweek/

 

[CarolA]

I feel better.
It's catching on.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15562940/site/newsweek/

Great Article

I loved this section

"Perhaps no other agency today so consistently and thoroughly reinforces the notion of government going through the motions without ingenuity or intelligence as the TSA does."

She also points out that while you are SAFE from the danger of "hairspray" the cargo hold is uninspected. This should be CRIMINAL......

 

[Lewisc]

My uninformed opinion is cargo should be inspected. My understanding is cargo is only accepted from "trusted shippers". I don't have enough facts to know how much inspection, if any, needs to be done at the airport.

Calling the present policy CRIMINAL is a reach.

She also points out that while you are SAFE from the danger of "hairspray" the cargo hold is uninspected. This should be CRIMINAL......

 

[CarolA]

My uninformed opinion is cargo should be inspected. My understanding is cargo is only accepted from "trusted shippers". I don't have enough facts to know how much inspection, if any, needs to be done at the airport.

Calling the present policy CRIMINAL is a reach.

Do some research on "trusted shippers" and the whole mess. The Post Office is a trusted shipper. So you mail a package and it goes on a plane. Have you ever heard of the Post Office inspecting a package. (Not to mention the phrase "going postal" came from there....) Trusted shipper seems to mean "we accept packages from businesses and report things we think look strange"

I don't think it's a reach. We have paid these folks a LOT of money and there are HUGE glaring holes in our security. Why shouldn't they be held responsible for the use of YOUR tax dollars?

 

[Lewisc]

The post office won't let you put stamped packages that weighs more than 1 pound in a mail box. UPS requires photo ID.

Again my uninformed opinion is at least a random amount of cargo should be screened. The government has to decide how to allocate resources. I'm not even sure how much mail gets transported via commercial airlines vs Federal Express planes.

Even if we can make air travel 100% safe the terrorists have more than enough other potential targets. Everything from malls, trains, bridges and even theme parks.

The government can make travel safer, they can't make it 100% safe. Making passengers feel safer ,at least enough so people continue to fly, is as important as actually making it safer.

Do some research on "trusted shippers" and the whole mess. The Post Office is a trusted shipper. So you mail a package and it goes on a plane. Have you ever heard of the Post Office inspecting a package. (Not to mention the phrase "going postal" came from there....) Trusted shipper seems to mean "we accept packages from businesses and report things we think look strange"

I don't think it's a reach. We have paid these folks a LOT of money and there are HUGE glaring holes in our security. Why shouldn't they be held responsible for the use of YOUR tax dollars?

 

[Martha7]

Maybe a dumb question, but do travelers need to take their ziploc bag out of their carryone and put it in one of the grey bins to go through the x-ray? My Ds (18) is flying to Mexico next week, and my DH says that the ziploc can stay in his carryon.

 

[safetymom]

You need to take it out of your carryon and send it through by itself.

 

[tjmw2727]

Maybe a dumb question, but do travelers need to take their ziploc bag out of their carryone and put it in one of the grey bins to go through the x-ray? My Ds (18) is flying to Mexico next week, and my DH says that the ziploc can stay in his carryon.

It must come out of the carryon and be placed in the bins. My MIL made this error two weeks ago and was subject to extra screening as a result. Just advise him to keep it in an outside pocket of the carryon or on top so he can access it easly to put it in the bin with his shoes.

TJ

 

[Martha7]

Thanks, guys!