Treatment of DVC members

[ColoradoBelle1]

I believe you are wrong Doctor P. Florida timeshare law favors the buyer in any sort of 'bait and switch' type shenanigans. If the booklet, advertising materials, blueprints or room layouts say something is included...then it is supposed to be included . And you have legal recourse,tho I doubt many of us could afford it.

I don't think citing contract law is really what you were aiming for here. I think you may have been trying to justify your opinions by saying that for you, if it isn't specifically stated as provided in your contract, that you don't think you should/could/would ask for it. (Is a blender specifically stated in your contract for a studio room? No? Then you probably wouldn't ask for one. I would ask for one to make frozen margaritas for me and Johnny Depp, but if housekeeping can't provide one, I won't get too upset.)

Your opinion as to what is 'satisfactory' for you is different from what LakeAriel feels is satisfactory for her and there is no reason for you to take pot shots at her ideas of 'satifaction'. (Now there I go thinking about Johnny again, sigh).

As to your right to decide the merits of her satisfaction level, you don't have any. Unless of course it is in your contract.

 

[rinkwide]

If only he had opposable thumbs...

If only I had retractable fangs...

 

[robinb]

OMG robinb!!! I wish I wouldn't have seen that pic of the snake!

I like snakes and even I was a little freaked out. If it makes you feel any better that snake was from 1999 and her never got in. Think of it this way ... the snakes eat all the lizards and frogs .

 

[Beca]

LakeAriel,

The Member Guidebook is not part of the contract, though it is an important source of information. Only the POS for your resort and the Multi-Site POS, as well as the Product Understanding Checklist represent binding documents as I understand it.

Doctor P....I really DON'T know how these "things" work. But, you comment got me thinking. I just signed my "contract" for my BCV add-on (YEA!!!), and one of the pieces of paper that I signed, was a receipt for my member guidebook. So, since I had to sign a piece of paper saying that I got one, doesn't that make anything in the handbook part of my "contract"? I mean, couldn't DVC use that to their "defense" if I became upset over something like....occupancy, or home advantage window. Couldn't they say, "Well, it's in your handbook. And, you signed this piece of paper here stating that you received one, therefore..."

I don't know...maybe it doesn't actually work both ways. It's not that I agree with Lake Ariel, but it DOES seem that DVC might need to do some "room altering" to fulfill their end of the contract.

Is this not right...like I said, "Legal stuff" = "not my thing"!!



Beca

 

[Scotch]

I believe you are wrong Doctor P. Florida timeshare law favors the buyer in any sort of 'bait and switch' type shenanigans. If the booklet, advertising materials, blueprints or room layouts say something is included...then it is supposed to be included . And you have legal recourse,tho I doubt many of us could afford it.

Yup. Here's a portion of Florida Statute 721.11 (re timeshare advertisements):

(4) No advertising or oral statement made by any seller shall:

(a) Misrepresent a fact or create a false or misleading impression regarding the timeshare plan or promotion thereof.

. . . .

(f) Misrepresent the size, nature, extent, qualities, or characteristics of the offered accommodations or facilities.

. . . .

 

[drakethib]

If only I had retractable fangs...

Man I hate snakes.

I would have ran and screamed like a little girl if I had seen that thing.

 

[drakethib]

2. I like the way you are conveniently omitting the fact that you had already turned down a perfectly good room with a balcony / porch over "security" concerns.

Gee, where are those first floor Disney resort room crime statistics when I need them... [/QUOTE]


Man.

I hope I am reading this wrong. I honestly hope I am.

This board used to be fun.

Now it seems that when people don't agree or when someone does not agree with everything that DVC does and mentions it, the attacks and sarcastic remarks start.



Geeze people. Different people have different opinions.

 

[ColoradoBelle1]

Thanks Scotch..for doing the work of finding the actual law to support my statements!

Does anyone else look at that snake and wonder why the photographer didn't try to 'place' him in a Mickey head pose?

 

[drakethib]

Thanks Scotch..for doing the work of finding the actual law to support my statements!

Does anyone else look at that snake and wonder why the photographer didn't try to 'place' him in a Mickey head pose?

There is no way in heck I would have touched that thing for any kind of pose.


There are 4 kinds of snakes that I hate.

As follows:

1. Big
2. Alive
3. Dead
4. Small

 

[Doctor P]

I looked back before I posted earlier--what you sign for is the Member Benefits Handbook which is not the same thing as the member guidebook. The reason you sign for it is because it basically says that most of the benefits can be revoked at any time and are not part of the contract. Also, the statute cited would be very, very hard to apply in a case like this. Furthermore, I have yet, in four different member guidebooks I have looked at to find any reference to a balcony or patio at VWL (but I am not saying it isn't there in some version or printing of some guide) and several of the other resorts conspicuously omit the language when referring to studios accomodations.

 

[robinb]

Does anyone else look at that snake and wonder why the photographer didn't try to 'place' him in a Mickey head pose?

I am the photographer. There was no way I was going to touch that creature. Even though it was a little bitty thing. Little bitty things bite.

 

[LakeAriel]

August/2000 hardcover binder presented to me when I closed on DVC. It's a non issue, it was corrected and I will not accept a non balcony room in the future. It was addressed by DVC to my satisfaction. I do think members need to be aware of this situation, however. A few rooms are minus balconies because of the architecture of the building. They just didn't fit. As a result they are used as two bedroom lock offs. The CM should have asked me if I minded a room without a balcony. Period.

 

[Doctor P]

Have a nice day.

 

[drakethib]

Have a nice day.

Did a post get deleted there Doc

 

[Doctor P]

No, I edited a post because I had misinterpreted a previous post and reread it.

 

[jmminarik]

There is no way in heck I would have touched that thing for any kind of pose.


There are 4 kinds of snakes that I hate.

As follows:

1. Big
2. Alive
3. Dead
4. Small

You forgot 5) Elected to pubic office.

-Joe

 

[lenshanem]

This board used to be fun.

Now it seems that when people don't agree or when someone does not agree with everything that DVC does and mentions it, the attacks and sarcastic remarks start.

Geeze people. Different people have different opinions.

Unfortunately what you described has become the norm.

 

[Deb & Bill]

You forgot 5) Elected to pubic office.

-Joe

Good one, Joe.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Man.

I hope I am reading this wrong. I honestly hope I am.

This board used to be fun.

Now it seems that when people don't agree or when someone does not agree with everything that DVC does and mentions it, the attacks and sarcastic remarks start.

Geeze people. Different people have different opinions.

ITA. Back in the fall of 2003, when I was making the big DVC decision, the folks on this board were very helpful. I tried to repay that by posting my thoughts on the entire experience - a "decision & purchase" report, if you will. Since then, I've tried to answer questions as well as inject some humor (granted, a delightfully twisted sort of humor) into the board.

Yet just a few days ago, when I posted my opinion, my personal philosophy, on an issue (in a nutshell: there're only so many DVC rooms, and when someone rejects one "not the best" room so as to get a "better" one, at best it may force the original room on someone else, and at worst it "takes" a pre-assigned room from someone else. Since I feel we're all one big DVC family, I feel this seems sort of greedy) I got called all kinds of names - even "meek"

I'm glad, though, that there are some people that realize that everyone has the right to their opinion, even though others may not agree with it.

Be well!

 

[tjkraz]

I hope I am reading this wrong. I honestly hope I am.

Yes, you are.

This board used to be fun.

It still is. Otherwise I doubt you'd be here.

Now it seems that when people don't agree or when someone does not agree with everything that DVC does and mentions it, the attacks and sarcastic remarks start.

Just a quick recap. LakeAriel and I started an exchange around page 14 or 15 of this excessively long thread. I said my peace, we disagreed, and I moved on. About 70 posts were added to the thread before LakeAriel quoted one of my messages and started covering old territory yet again.

Who was attacking whom?

Geeze people. Different people have different opinions.

Exactly! And that's exactly what you are witnessing here.