Transportation changes and ECVs?

So... tell us exactly what your experience was? Outside of some very specific cases, I have never seen that happen at WDW, and I have been visiting there literally since the first year the Park was open.

That doesn't mean that you and I will always have the exact same experience - I understand that. But *generally* speaking, as my friend @Evita_W said above, there may have been a misunderstanding about how, where, and when you wait, and load as a mobility device user at WDW. Other factors can be the time of day, which bus stop you choose, and (literally) where you are - in the queue, as well as at WDW.

There are 2 basic queue types at WDW bus stops: a "mainstreamed" queue, where you go through the line with everyone else, and then pull out of the line at a designated exit point that is roughly where the back door to the bus is, and there are (last I checked) still a few queues that don't have the exit point, and you simply bypass the mainstream queue, and go directly to a marked location to wait your turn to board the bus.

There are some queues that can be confusing for mobility users, as they are not well marked at the entrance, and if a CM is not present to guide you to where you should enter the queue, and where to wait, I could see how a driver would actually not be able to load you.

- If you were (for example) in the "mainstream" queue line, even if the driver could clearly *see* you, they would not be able to load you until you were completely through that queue, and to the exit point - they aren't going to ask people who are in front of you in line to move so that you can be loaded before them; that is not how the system is set up.

- If you were (for example) at a bus stop for a Resort hotel that has multiple stops on a loop, then yes, this is a real possibility that the seats are already occupied when the bus arrives. This can be a real problem, especially at larger Resorts, and particularly during "rush hours" (usually morning/rope drop) when lots of people are trying to leave the Resort hotel to get to the Parks. (If that's the case, always ask for a room closest to the front desk; usually that's the first stop on the loop around the Resort, and often your best shot at consistently getting a spot on the bus)

It is my (personal) understanding that *if* someone is in those seats, then the driver is supposed to ask them to move if a
mobility device user is present, and read to load at the next stop. However, the Guests who are occupying those seats do not have to give them up if they have a mobility issue or hidden disability that requires that they sit during transit on the bus - in other words, those people may have every "right" to use those seats, we just can't see *why* They don't have to explain themselves, other than to say that they need to sit, just as you or I don't have to explain why we need to use a mobility device - we just do, and that's enough. Additionally, it is my understanding that if there are no other seats available when the driver opens the back door, the seated Guests (regardless of disability) do not have to move, because there is no similar accommodation for them available.

That's how it was explained to me - by a lovely WDW driver one evening when we were chatting. We had decided to skip fireworks, and when we got to our Resort bus, it was literally empty except for us! We had a very nice visit with the driver during our own "private bus" to our Resort that night! (Hat tip to Tim Tracker: I was "Queen of The Bus!" LOL)

And yes, there are some drivers who are not well-trained *or* well-mannered; coming back from the pandemic, it is my understanding that there are also many new drivers as well, who may not yet be accustomed to working with Guests who have mobility devices, many of whom are more knowledgeable about how the system *should* work than then driver!

So - what was your experience? Did it look like any of the scenarios above? I'm genuinely curious - I always want everyone here to have the best possible trip, and sometimes the difference between a trip, and an *AWESOME* trip is just knowing a few little "tweaks" to try next time!
We arrived at the stop. Approximately two rows were full...no distancing. I pulled into the wheelchair access lane. Sat and chatted with my family until the bus arrived. The driver got out and approached me. He asked how many people were in front of me. I had no idea... wasn’t paying attention. He told me it was first come first serve. He proceeded to ask the other guests if they had arrived before me....everyone said yes. He loaded both rows. Informed me he had room so I proceeded to the ramp. He told me there were too many people so I had to get up and walk on while he loaded the ECV . I told him I had mobility issues thus the ECV. He said “can’t you walk?” My husband and one of the children had to assist me. It wasn’t easy (an understatement) and was quite humiliating.

It was the one and only time we used Disney transportation this trip. Wasn’t worth the aggravation or embarrassment.
 
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We arrived at the stop. Approximately two rows were full...no distancing. I pulled into the wheelchair access lane. Sat and chatted with my family until the bus arrived. The driver got out and approached me. He asked how many people were in front of me. I had no idea... wasn’t paying attention. He told me it was first come first serve. He proceeded to ask the other guests if the arrived before me. He loaded both rows. Informed me he had room so I proceeded to the ramp. He told me there were too many people so I had to get up and walk on while he loaded the EVC . I told him I had mobility issues thus the EVC. He said “can’t you walk?” My husband and one of the children had to assist me. It wasn’t easy (an understatement) and was quite humiliating.

It was the one and only time we used Disney transportation this trip. Wasn’t worth the aggravation or embarrassment.
Ah, makes more sense now, You got one really poorly trained And very rude bus driver and unfortunately it was your first one. This isn't typical and DH and I would have pushed back, but you didn't really know the system as it was your first experience and if you had other options, I can't really blame you for giving up after that. This is also something you should have physically went to the front desk and complained about. This kind of treatment isn't right.
 
Ah, makes more sense now, You got one really poorly trained And very rude bus driver and unfortunately it was your first one. This isn't typical and DH and I would have pushed back, but you didn't really know the system as it was your first experience and if you had other options, I can't really blame you for giving up after that. This is also something you should have physically went to the front desk and complained about. This kind of treatment isn't right.
I've used an ECV at Disney for many years and there have been a lot changes . It was also our third visit since they reopened. This was my first/only experience with bus transportation this trip. Responses vary greatly from CM to CM. I didn't think there was anyway to guarantee we could avoid a repeat experience. There was no remedy therefore I made no complaint.
 
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I've used EVCs at Disney for many years and there have been a lot changes . It was also our third visit since they reopened. This was my first/only experience with bus transportation this trip. Responses vary greatly from CM to CM. I didn't think there was anyway to guarantee we could avoid a repeat experience. There was no remedy therefore I made no complaint.
Actually, I have heard of the front desk offering free accessible cab rides for the duration of the trip for stuff like this, it really isn't appropriate.

And honestly, you have to advocate for yourself, even before COVID with a bus driver like this and push for what you know the policy to be. What the driver did was not only not the current policy, it violated ADA law as you need to be able to drive the ECV onto the bus and it is his fault for not asking if you can walk on or not. I would have also insisted that he call and have the transportation manager waiting for me when I got off the bus. This would make him aware that you know what he is doing is wrong.
 

Actually, I have heard of the front desk offering free accessible cab rides for the duration of the trip for stuff like this, it really isn't appropriate.

And honestly, you have to advocate for yourself, even before COVID with a bus driver like this and push for what you know the policy to be. What the driver did was not only not the current policy, it violated ADA law as you need to be able to drive the ECV onto the bus and it is his fault for not asking if you can walk on or not. I would have also insisted that he call and have the transportation manager waiting for me when I got off the bus. This would make him aware that you know what he is doing is wrong.
I wasn't going to make a scene especially with the kids in attendance. I do remember his name and may make a formal complaint in writing. I would like to have a response from Disney to tuck into my pocket for our next visit.

BTW....I did quietly and calmly inform the driver this wasn't normal procedure and have been using an ECV at Disney for years. DH stated it was not in accordance with ADA law. The driver completely ignored us and had me get off the ECV. I complied...wasn't going to upset the children any further. They were already concerned that I might fall going up the ramp.
 
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I wasn't going to make a scene especially with the kids in attendance. I do remember his name and may make a formal complaint in writing. I would like to have a response from Disney to tuck into my pocket for our next visit.

BTW....I did quietly and calmly inform the driver this wasn't normal procedure and have been using an EVC at Disney for years. DH stated it was not in accordance with ADA law. The driver completely ignored us and had me get off the EVC. I complied...wasn't going to upset the children any further. They were already concerned that I might fall going up the ramp.
DH probably would have fallen (not on purpose of course) going up the ramp, especially if it is one of the stops with no curb so it is steeper. And then EVERYONE, including the bus driver would have to wait for both first aid and the transportation manager to show up before the bus could move. The bus driver is very lucky you didn't fall, that is a major liability for Disney if you had.

DH is definitely one that would make a bit of a scene because he wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else. Imagine if this had been your first experience on your first trip to Disney World, what would you have thought? How would that impact your entire trip? Now imagine it is someone that needs the ECV for the first time on top of it. This is why he would make a bit of a scene, because he knows if they try it with him they will try it with others and others may be impacted even worse. But it is also only the two of us, so it is a bit different I suppose.
 
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If I decide to return to WDW as a CM, being a bus driver again will not be on my list. I had enough silliness from the clueless managers.
 
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I wasn't going to make a scene especially with the kids in attendance. I do remember his name and may make a formal complaint in writing. I would like to have a response from Disney to tuck into my pocket for our next visit.

BTW....I did quietly and calmly inform the driver this wasn't normal procedure and have been using an ECV at Disney for years. DH stated it was not in accordance with ADA law. The driver completely ignored us and had me get off the ECV. I complied...wasn't going to upset the children any further. They were already concerned that I might fall going up the ramp.

The magic words in a situation like this are "I cannot transfer". If the CM/driver/whoever tries to push you to exit the ECV to walk, you only have to say "I cannot transfer, the ECV is my preferred mobility device".

I understand not wanting to make a scene with your kids there - but I will encourage you to reach out to both Guest Relations *and* Disability Services about your experience. As @Evita_W said - and you clearly know from experience - that is *not* expected behavior on the part of the bus drivers.

You can contact Disability Services at (407) 560-2547 or email disability.services@disneyparks.com. (Personally, I would call; that way you have a chance to have an actual conversation with someone)

I'm so very sorry that you had that experience. You obviously know how it's supposed to go, and that driver was *not* well-trained and/or well-behaved. I hope you have the time to let Disney know his name and the approximate time/place of the event, so that he can either have some additional training, or be placed in a position where his people skills are not as critical.

Thank you for sharing that; I know it is an uncomfortable memory from what I hope was an otherwise wonderful trip!
 
So I’m sorry...I’m still confused after reading the threads. We will be staying at BWI and using the bus for MK and AK. Do we get in a regular line and then as we get closer, move to another line or area with our ECVs? There are two of us in our party and we will both being using an ECV. We are able to transfer onto the buses without the assistance of the scooters.

I just want to make sure I’m following protocol. Do we move directly to a special line/area for scooters or do we get in the main line to get on the bus?

Thanks!
 
So I’m sorry...I’m still confused after reading the threads. We will be staying at BWI and using the bus for MK and AK. Do we get in a regular line and then as we get closer, move to another line or area with our ECVs? There are two of us in our party and we will both being using an ECV. We are able to transfer onto the buses without the assistance of the scooters.

I just want to make sure I’m following protocol. Do we move directly to a special line/area for scooters or do we get in the main line to get on the bus?

Thanks!
Generally you will go straight to the special loading area. The exceptions are at MK, Downtown Disney and possibly Hollywood Studios (I can't remember for sure) where you will go through the regular.line to a point and then go to the special area. AK is a strange one where it seems to change.

Also, if the queue isn't backed up at these locations past the gate to the wheelchair loading area you can usually just go straight to the loading area rather than navigating the switchbacks.
 
Yes, because there are limited spaces for ECVs on the buses, which they need to load first so people who don't need them don't take them.

Also because, frankly, it's easier to load ECVs/mobility devices first - and unload them last - and then load on the bipeds.
 
I visited Pop Century a couple of weeks ago and it looks like they changed the policy. Instead of going straight to the wheelchair/ECV spot they had you go through the regular line. They were not loading the wheelchair/ECV first. They even had the wheelchair/ECV spot chained off.

I think the reasoning for this was that there are no longer guests standing in the aisles. So when you get to the front of the line there should be no guest blocking your access to the tie down spots. As long as they load the tie down spots last I suppose this would work. Also this would prevent loading the tie down spot first then have the rear of the bus pass close to the person in the tie down spot on the way to their seats.

Since I drove to WDW I only used the buses once. Between this and so many Academy buses that could not load wheelchairs I just drove to MK and AK.
 
The seats in the ECV zone being occupied really weren't an issue. As long as there were seats available, I politely requested passengers in those seats to relocate. I never asked anyone to give up those seats unless there was alternative seating or unless they volunteered to stand. Both happened routinely.

I guess the loading procedure has been modified somewhat because of lower ridership during Covid. Pre Covid, ECVs were loaded first due to safety concerns with other passengers or the bus driver. Yup, the bus driver. Bus driver ECV minor accidents were not that uncommon. I had a few. It doesn't help that some inexperienced ECV users don't control them as well as we'd like. So for safety, ECVs got on first in order to mainly avoid the possibility of accidents between the ECV and others onboard.
 
I was there in April and had to use an ECV. We always had to wait in the regular line. The spot where they had a box or whatever on the ground for handicap was always blocked off. We would wait in line and move forward and if there was no room for my ecv when we got to the front of the line, they would take people behind me and i would have to wait for the next bus. Only once, leaving DS, was I directed to go and wait in a different spot and when the bus came they put me on it first. I just assumed waiting in the regular line was the norm.

I hope that one day the skyliner goes to all 4 parks because that is the easiest and best way to travel! :)
 



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