Transgenders and bathrooms....

[EMom]

There was a time when changing in front of a lesbian would have made people uncomfortable too.
I think it's important to listen to the concern of people in a rational way understand that progress doesn't happen overnight or because of a law. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen though.

I'm pretty sure girls undressed in front of lesbians for a looooong time now.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I'm pretty sure girls undressed in front of lesbians for a looooong time now.

Yes but there was a time when that would have made them uncomfortable.

 

[Hrhpd]

Actually, someone else made the point about a student quitting the team.

And seriously? We now single out 14 year old girls for being too uncomfortable to undress in front of a biological male? (even if they would undress in front of other girls) We have lost our minds.

I would like to know what the girls really think. You seem to have an excuse why something won't work for every.single. suggestion that has been made on how to make it work.

Are you sure you aren't projecting your dislike of the transgender community on the dance team?

I would just ask the girls how they would like to work it out. The younger generation is much more open minded than their parents and 14 year olds are actually quite smart. They probably have already discussed it amongst themselves on how to handle it if a transgender female joined the dance team. I know when I was that age, I wouldn't have had a problem going to bathroom to change if something made me uncomfortable. I would not try to make an agenda out of it.

 

[Hrhpd]

Yes but there was a time when that would have made them uncomfortable.

How did they know?

 

[Hrhpd]

So, let's say because of the very few people with Erythropoietic Protoporphyria, schools should start covering all windows and natural light coming into schools?

What is the percentage of true transgendered children in school? With all of this talk about transgender all over the news, I know there is a rise in teenagers that are mentally ill/ seeking attention and wanting to be "something new".

I have someone in my family that is all of a sudden a FTM transgendered person. 17 years old. Always a troubled, attention seeking soul. She (yes--she is a she. She will be over this game soon) is now making all kinds of demands at her school. The nurses room isn't good enough. She wants to go into the boys' bathroom and locker room. She carries a "Fenis" and needs "extra time" in the bathroom at school to "properly clean it". She is asking for an outlandish amount of extra time for her bathroom breaks. The school's hands are ties. They bow to her every wish. She doesn't even use it at home or when out. Just at school so she can get attention. She used to be "emo". But this is her new thing. And she is MILITANT about pronouns. Ready to fight. This transformation happened in a matter of weeks.

And, there are quite a few kids at her school that are all of a sudden transgender. Ask your teens if this is the latest "fad" at their school.

It does make me feel badly for the very small amount of true transgender people out there. The ones that have been managing fine all of these years. They are now in the spotlight unwillingly because of the wannabes.

With that being said, our public schools don't have money for proper text books and we are to now build new bathrooms for a VERY, VERY small population?

And you think he is just doing this because he is mentally ill and attention seeking? It never crossed your mind that maybe he has been struggling with this and with the new more open culture, it was time to address the issue?

I find it very, very sad that family members still are not getting the support they need and are labeled mentally ill and attention seeking.

 

[Hrhpd]

So basically what you are saying is "education" means forcing people to agree with the views of one side. No thanks.

When it involves equal rights for that side, then absolutely. Nobody says one has to like it or even agree with it, but education is important so that one understands the way society is no longer allowed to behave (discrimination.)

 

[bcla]

When it involves equal rights for that side, then absolutely. Nobody says one has to like it or even agree with it, but education is important so that one understands the way society is no longer allowed to behave (discrimination.)

Of course nobody is forced to agree. There are lessons in school that families often don't agree with. School policy is not designed to conform with personal beliefs. It's supposed to conform with laws.

That being said, there is an example that comes to mind - Thailand. I've heard of schools there where there were facilities set aside for transgendered. However, they have a culture where it's mostly accepted, although they have their difficulties still.

 

[sunshinehighway]

How did they know?

Openly gay and rumored. Emom said there is a lesbian girl in the dance group. There was a time when that would have made others uncomfortable (in the situation Emom describes) too.

 

[PollyannaMom]

And, there are quite a few kids at her school that are all of a sudden transgender. Ask your teens if this is the latest "fad" at their school.

Mine has actually already told me something similar. I do agree that some people are "piggybacking" on a situation that is real to someone else because they see it as a potential solution to other problems. But I think that will decrease as the shock value wears off, and only time will tell how many people were "trying it out" vs. how many were "figuring it out".

With that being said, our public schools don't have money for proper text books and we are to now build new bathrooms for a VERY, VERY small population?

I'm so with you that we need more money for books! But the bathrooms already have private stalls. It's the changing rooms that seem to be causing bigger problems, and I expect we could fix those in a lot of places just by hanging some curtains - way cheaper than actual renovations.

I do think this is very true:

it's important to listen to the concerns of people in a rational way and understand that progress doesn't happen overnight

There have been many valid concerns brought up on both sides. And there are going to be a lot of tricky individual situations that are probably better solved on a case-by-case basis than by expecting the exact same path to change to work everywhere.

I'm very curious how folks are going to look back on all of this 50 years from now.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

And you think he is just doing this because he is mentally ill and attention seeking?

100% attention seeking (perhaps with a touch of mental illness).

She also started a rumor that she had cancer two years ago. She is going to drive her mother to an early grave with her antics. There are issues. Believe me, she is one of the people that are making it harder for real transgender people to be taken seriously.

 

[Allons-y!]

100% attention seeking (perhaps with a touch of mental illness).

She also started a rumor that she had cancer two years ago. She is going to drive her mother to an early grave with her antics. There are issues. Believe me, she is one of the people that are making it harder for real transgender people to be taken seriously.

What people are trying to say is that the attention-seeking behavior of the past may have been because he was uncomfortable in his body, and as a result acted in an "attention seeking perhaps with a touch of mental illness" manner. Is that a definite? Of course not. But is it a possibility? Sure.

 

[EMom]

I would like to know what the girls really think. You seem to have an excuse why something won't work for every.single. suggestion that has been made on how to make it work.

Are you sure you aren't projecting your dislike of the transgender community on the dance team?

I would just ask the girls how they would like to work it out. The younger generation is much more open minded than their parents and 14 year olds are actually quite smart. They probably have already discussed it amongst themselves on how to handle it if a transgender female joined the dance team. I know when I was that age, I wouldn't have had a problem going to bathroom to change if something made me uncomfortable. I would not try to make an agenda out of it.

Yes, I'm sure. Was that a thinly veiled insult masked as a question? I had a transgendered friend back when no one (my friend included) even knew to use that term. We just knew he should have been born a girl, but wasn't.

I am aware that some 14 year olds are "open minded," as you put it. Does that make those who don't want to undress in front of the opposite biological sex "close minded" or simply modest? See, it's that pesky name calling I worry about. I know 14 year olds are often quite smart. I'm around them daily.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

 

[dadtoagirl03]

The Charlotte bill that started it all was championed by a convicted sex offender.

 

[Uncle Remus]

 

[Planogirl]

I think that everyone should be treated fairly. Everyone. In my case that includes girls who don't want to strip down in front of someone who is biologically the opposite sex. I think that it should be the responsibility of schools and other facilities to offer privacy to everyone and stop the one room fits all nonsense.

I wish that I saw more of a sense of fairness for those who are not transgender and might need some time to get used to the changes.

 

[msjprincess]

The Charlotte bill that started it all was championed by a convicted sex offender.

He did not start it all. And he's a pedophile who molests boys. So it's not like he was trying to find a way into the woman's room.

http://www.snopes.com/nc-bathroom-bill-opposition-leader-a-sex-offender/

 

[gmboy95]

If we start this conversation under the premise that going to the bathroom is not sexual in nature, then the real issue is whether trans-gendered folks can have access period!.....its when one turns a bathroom into some hive of sexual predators. When you worry about pedophiles attacking children, then you are worried about pedophiles. the subtle insinuation here is that trans-gendered folks have a higher number of pedophiles in their midst then the general population. If i wanted to extend this form of thinking, I would ban catholic priests from men's rooms because...well you know....thats just as ridiculous. Like many issues, IMO, this comes down to peoples view of gender identity, and LGBTQ folks in general. the go-to move in those cases is to create a straw man argument that furthers the hidden issue that folks dont want to really discuss, because they themselves know it is intolerant....just my two cents

 

[Kimberlyann11]

I think that everyone should be treated fairly. Everyone. In my case that includes girls who don't want to strip down in front of someone who is biologically the opposite sex. I think that it should be the responsibility of schools and other facilities to offer privacy to everyone and stop the one room fits all nonsense.

I wish that I saw more of a sense of fairness for those who are not transgender and might need some time to get used to the changes.

I would like to see privacy extended to girls who don't want to strip down in front of anyone of any gender. It doesn't seem fair that some girls would get excluded from activities because they are religious or even just plain modest. Girls are horribly mean to each other and their bodies are fair game.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

He did not start it all. And he's a pedophile who molests boys. So it's not like he was trying to find a way into the woman's room.

Who knows what a pedophile's intentions are.

I am more concerned that he is not in jail

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html