Transgenders and bathrooms....

[pocomom]

1. In our case, too much distance with too many costume pieces and too little time. We are off in a wing with no classrooms or bathrooms, which is why we have a two stall bathroom of our own. It's sometimes barely feasible as it is to make costume changes in time. We have been at contests with coed teams and they get an extra room for the boys, but that means a disproportionate number of girls squeeze into another room or they pay more for the extra boys' room.
2. Apparently, gender neutral bathrooms don't satisfy the Dept of Ed if you're transgender, but only if you're not. To me, it's a practical numbers issue. In a school our size, the number of modest "I'm not comfortable changing in front of the opposite sex even if they are transgender" students would likely outnumber the transgender students the government now says can't be made to use a third gender neutral changing room. Possibly by a long shot. Schools do not have the money to solve this mandated problem. It really wasn't thought through, and certainly the comfort of all students wasn't considered.

Schools didn't have the money necessary to integrate schools either, but when something is a priority you find a way.
White people outnumbered black people it didn't make concerns for blacks less valid.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

Schools didn't have the money necessary to integrate schools either, but when something is a priority you find a way.
White people outnumbered black people it didn't make concerns for blacks less valid.

So, let's say because of the very few people with Erythropoietic Protoporphyria, schools should start covering all windows and natural light coming into schools?

What is the percentage of true transgendered children in school? With all of this talk about transgender all over the news, I know there is a rise in teenagers that are mentally ill/ seeking attention and wanting to be "something new".

I have someone in my family that is all of a sudden a FTM transgendered person. 17 years old. Always a troubled, attention seeking soul. She (yes--she is a she. She will be over this game soon) is now making all kinds of demands at her school. The nurses room isn't good enough. She wants to go into the boys' bathroom and locker room. She carries a "Fenis" and needs "extra time" in the bathroom at school to "properly clean it". She is asking for an outlandish amount of extra time for her bathroom breaks. The school's hands are ties. They bow to her every wish. She doesn't even use it at home or when out. Just at school so she can get attention. She used to be "emo". But this is her new thing. And she is MILITANT about pronouns. Ready to fight. This transformation happened in a matter of weeks.

And, there are quite a few kids at her school that are all of a sudden transgender. Ask your teens if this is the latest "fad" at their school.

It does make me feel badly for the very small amount of true transgender people out there. The ones that have been managing fine all of these years. They are now in the spotlight unwillingly because of the wannabes.

With that being said, our public schools don't have money for proper text books and we are to now build new bathrooms for a VERY, VERY small population?

 

[Chocolate Cake]

And seriously? We now single out 14 year old girls for being too uncomfortable to undress in front of a biological male? (even if they would undress in front of other girls) We have lost our minds.

Yeah. I think we need to have some time to at least adjust to these latest "demands".

I hate that all of a sudden we are to nod our heads and say "Ah. I see. We've been dumb all along. It is perfectly normal for me to undress in front of this boy, because he is really a girl. I understand and will do it with ease. And if I don't do it with a smile and normalcy, I am a red neck bigot."

 

[pocomom]

So, let's say because of the very few people with Erythropoietic Protoporphyria, schools should start covering all windows and natural light coming into schools?

What is the percentage of true transgendered children in school? With all of this talk about transgender all over the news, I know there is a rise in teenagers that are mentally ill/ seeking attention and wanting to be "something new".

I have someone in my family that is all of a sudden a FTM transgendered person. 17 years old. Always a troubled, attention seeking soul. She (yes--she is a she. She will be over this game soon) is now making all kinds of demands at her school. The nurses room isn't good enough. She wants to go into the boys' bathroom and locker room. She carries a "Fenis" and needs "extra time" in the bathroom at school to "properly clean it". She is asking for an outlandish amount of extra time for her bathroom breaks. The school's hands are ties. They bow to her every wish. She doesn't even use it at home or when out. Just at school so she can get attention. She used to be "emo". But this is her new thing. And she is MILITANT about pronouns. Ready to fight. This transformation happened in a matter of weeks.

And, there are quite a few kids at her school that are all of a sudden transgender. Ask your teens if this is the latest "fad" at their school.

It does make me feel badly for the very small amount of true transgender people out there. The ones that have been managing fine all of these years. They are now in the spotlight unwillingly because of the wannabes.

With that being said, our public schools don't have money for proper text books and we are to now build new bathrooms for a VERY, VERY small population?

Nope just let them in the bathroom they identify with.

 

[Chocolate Cake]

Nope just let them in the bathroom they identify with.

And changing room? And locker room? It's a bit more complicated than "let someone choose where and who they want to take their clothes off in front off."

I think if you are .3% of the population and the nurse has offered you her room to change in, you should take it and not make 30+ girls (or boys) feel uncomfortable in the locker room.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Maybe class rooms should focus more on education and we wouldn't have this problem of fear in the restrooms.

 

[nephthys43]

Who needs "perverts" in the rest rooms when you've got this Peeping Tomasette?

http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120615/target-bathroom

i would have screamed like a bansee and called the police

 

[Chocolate Cake]

Maybe class rooms should focus more on education and we wouldn't have this problem of fear in the restrooms.

For me, it's not really about the restrooms, but the changing rooms.

This is from the comment section of the New York Times. I did not write this, but it puts a different perspective on things:

"The issue, to me, is the shared locker room. Most women would view a transwoman in the process of biological transition sympathetically and have no problem sharing the locker room. But an individual who identifies as a woman psychologically but has biological male features is a different story, particularly in a family locker room that is shared by adults and children.

Women (1 in 5) and girls (1 in 4, according to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center), who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse may be highly sensitive to sexual cues in their environment, and suffer emotional and physical reactions in a setting where bodies are exposed, let alone bodies with sex characteristics of a different gender. A person who appears to be male biologically in a women's locker room, not matter how honest their intentions, could trigger for those reactions.

Can't we care about the needs of those girls and women for privacy, too? Or is this just another way of telling the many women and girls who are trying to heal and live normally after sexual trauma that their concerns are petty and inconvenient?"

 

[luvsJack]

For me, it's not really about the restrooms, but the changing rooms.

This is from the comment section of the New York Times. I did not write this, but it puts a different perspective on things:

"The issue, to me, is the shared locker room. Most women would view a transwoman in the process of biological transition sympathetically and have no problem sharing the locker room. But an individual who identifies as a woman psychologically but has biological male features is a different story, particularly in a family locker room that is shared by adults and children.

Women (1 in 5) and girls (1 in 4, according to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center), who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse may be highly sensitive to sexual cues in their environment, and suffer emotional and physical reactions in a setting where bodies are exposed, let alone bodies with sex characteristics of a different gender. A person who appears to be male biologically in a women's locker room, not matter how honest their intentions, could trigger for those reactions.

Can't we care about the needs of those girls and women for privacy, too? Or is this just another way of telling the many women and girls who are trying to heal and live normally after sexual trauma that their concerns are petty and inconvenient?"

The needs to these women/girls need to be met too but they can find a way to do both.

How many transgendered teens have to be beaten or even killed before we decide that we can make a few concessions?

Schools with locker/changing rooms without privacy screens or stalls can make changes it just takes a little want to and a little push.

 

[bcla]

And changing room? And locker room? It's a bit more complicated than "let someone choose where and who they want to take their clothes off in front off."

I think if you are .3% of the population and the nurse has offered you her room to change in, you should take it and not make 30+ girls (or boys) feel uncomfortable in the locker room.

But in general laws and regulations don't allow for someone to be treated differently based on being in a protected class. Management can't remove a server because a customer refuses to be served by someone black, nor seat black customers somewhere else on the basis of other customers complaining.

 

[Uncle Remus]

For me, it's not really about the restrooms, but the changing rooms.

This is from the comment section of the New York Times. I did not write this, but it puts a different perspective on things:

"The issue, to me, is the shared locker room. Most women would view a transwoman in the process of biological transition sympathetically and have no problem sharing the locker room. But an individual who identifies as a woman psychologically but has biological male features is a different story, particularly in a family locker room that is shared by adults and children.

Women (1 in 5) and girls (1 in 4, according to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center), who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse may be highly sensitive to sexual cues in their environment, and suffer emotional and physical reactions in a setting where bodies are exposed, let alone bodies with sex characteristics of a different gender. A person who appears to be male biologically in a women's locker room, not matter how honest their intentions, could trigger for those reactions.

Can't we care about the needs of those girls and women for privacy, too? Or is this just another way of telling the many women and girls who are trying to heal and live normally after sexual trauma that their concerns are petty and inconvenient?"

Then I would say: Maybe class rooms should focus more on education and we wouldn't have this problem of fear in the changing rooms.

 

[pocomom]

And changing room? And locker room? It's a bit more complicated than "let someone choose where and who they want to take their clothes off in front off."

I think if you are .3% of the population and the nurse has offered you her room to change in, you should take it and not make 30+ girls (or boys) feel uncomfortable in the locker room.

And you are assuming 100% of the population would feel uncomfortable by being near someone who is transgendered in the locker room. I can guarantee you that if you have ever belonged to a gym or gone to a waterpark etc. You have changed near a transgender person and didn't even know it. I am far more afraid of getting naked near bigots than I am of getting naked near someone who is transgendered.
Lots of people make me uncomfortable, I don't expect them all to go somewhere else ... it would be nice to have an option of privacy as stated earlier, and I do regardless of this issue think that is something we should be striving for in all these situations. I hate the giant open locker rooms in schools- how many kids have been picked on, felt insecure, or just uncomfortable etc.in those rooms. But I don't think you can argue that because we fail to accommodate some semblance of privacy and we claim we don't have enough money to accommodate that , that it gives us an excuse to discriminate.

 

[pocomom]

For me, it's not really about the restrooms, but the changing rooms.

This is from the comment section of the New York Times. I did not write this, but it puts a different perspective on things:

"The issue, to me, is the shared locker room. Most women would view a transwoman in the process of biological transition sympathetically and have no problem sharing the locker room. But an individual who identifies as a woman psychologically but has biological male features is a different story, particularly in a family locker room that is shared by adults and children.

Women (1 in 5) and girls (1 in 4, according to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center), who have been victims of sexual assault or abuse may be highly sensitive to sexual cues in their environment, and suffer emotional and physical reactions in a setting where bodies are exposed, let alone bodies with sex characteristics of a different gender. A person who appears to be male biologically in a women's locker room, not matter how honest their intentions, could trigger for those reactions.

Can't we care about the needs of those girls and women for privacy, too? Or is this just another way of telling the many women and girls who are trying to heal and live normally after sexual trauma that their concerns are petty and inconvenient?"

I was assaulted in college. I don't like being alone in an elevator with a male of a certain country of origin. I have panic attacks and nightmares and ptsd from my experience . Should they all have to take the stairs?

 

[dadtoagirl03]

Maybe class rooms should focus more on education and we wouldn't have this problem of fear in the restrooms.

So basically what you are saying is "education" means forcing people to agree with the views of one side. No thanks.

 

[bcla]

So basically what you are saying is "education" means forcing people to agree with the views of one side. No thanks.

Well, a public school certainly isn't required to give equal time to creationism. Schools aren't supposed to allow personal beliefs to dictate policy that's regulated by law. Nobody is forced to agree, but then again policy is not about personal agreement.

 

[EMom]

Schools didn't have the money necessary to integrate schools either, but when something is a priority you find a way.
White people outnumbered black people it didn't make concerns for blacks less valid.

To the lesbian question, there is a lesbian and they change in front of her. She has the same parts.

I cannot even equate a female refusing to change in front of a Black female to a female refusing to change in front of a biological male with different genitalia. It's apples and oranges, so to speak.

 

[penn19]

Yeah. I think we need to have some time to at least adjust to these latest "demands".

I hate that all of a sudden we are to nod our heads and say "Ah. I see. We've been dumb all along. It is perfectly normal for me to undress in front of this boy, because he is really a girl. I understand and will do it with ease. And if I don't do it with a smile and normalcy, I am a red neck bigot."

Absolutely agree 100%. I think as a country we have created problems that aren't there and the more we "solve" problems, the more problems we find. And we aren't any better off as a country.

 

[damskipi13]

So, let's say because of the very few people with Erythropoietic Protoporphyria, schools should start covering all windows and natural light coming into schools?

What is the percentage of true transgendered children in school? With all of this talk about transgender all over the news, I know there is a rise in teenagers that are mentally ill/ seeking attention and wanting to be "something new".

I have someone in my family that is all of a sudden a FTM transgendered person. 17 years old. Always a troubled, attention seeking soul. She (yes--she is a she. She will be over this game soon) is now making all kinds of demands at her school. The nurses room isn't good enough. She wants to go into the boys' bathroom and locker room. She carries a "Fenis" and needs "extra time" in the bathroom at school to "properly clean it". She is asking for an outlandish amount of extra time for her bathroom breaks. The school's hands are ties. They bow to her every wish. She doesn't even use it at home or when out. Just at school so she can get attention. She used to be "emo". But this is her new thing. And she is MILITANT about pronouns. Ready to fight. This transformation happened in a matter of weeks.

And, there are quite a few kids at her school that are all of a sudden transgender. Ask your teens if this is the latest "fad" at their school.

It does make me feel badly for the very small amount of true transgender people out there. The ones that have been managing fine all of these years. They are now in the spotlight unwillingly because of the wannabes.

With that being said, our public schools don't have money for proper text books and we are to now build new bathrooms for a VERY, VERY small population?

The estimate is .3-2% of people are transgendered. In my high school, that would have been about 8-50 people. Enough to consider significant by your argument, considering we did have someone who couldn't be exposed to the sun and accommodations were made for him.

As to your family member, I hope you don't speak this way in front of him. It may be that he is mentally ill or seeking attention, but you don't know that right now. In fact, what you consider troubled and seeking attention could have been a lifetime spent feeling out of place and unable to express it, and now he finally realizes what was wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe you are wrong too. Anyway, it'd be nice if you could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. The teenage years are difficult for everyone and I think everybody would benefit from having compassionate family members. I know I would have.

 

[sunshinehighway]

To the lesbian question, there is a lesbian and they change in front of her. She has the same parts.

I cannot even equate a female refusing to change in front of a Black female to a female refusing to change in front of a biological male with different genitalia. It's apples and oranges, so to speak.

There was a time when changing in front of a lesbian would have made people uncomfortable too.
I think it's important to listen to the concern of people in a rational way understand that progress doesn't happen overnight or because of a law. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen though.

 

[DizBelle]

To the lesbian question, there is a lesbian and they change in front of her. She has the same parts.

I cannot even equate a female refusing to change in front of a Black female to a female refusing to change in front of a biological male with different genitalia. It's apples and oranges, so to speak.

Wouldn't it be more like bananas and oranges?