Transgenders and bathrooms....

[DawnM]

This isn't just NC, or just Charlotte. This has been going on in different places but somehow they didn't get the same attention.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-city-transgender-choice-public-bathroom-article-1.2540757

"The issue has been part of a national debate that included the high-profile defeat of a nondiscrimination ordinance late last year by voters in Houston, and LGBT advocates worried bathroom-access fears would be used elsewhere to fight equal-rights measures. South Dakota legislators recently passed a bill requiring students to use bathrooms corresponding to their sex at birth, though it hasn't been signed by the governor."

 

[elgerber]

This isn't just NC, or just Charlotte. This has been going on in different places but somehow they didn't get the same attention.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/n-city-transgender-choice-public-bathroom-article-1.2540757

"The issue has been part of a national debate that included the high-profile defeat of a nondiscrimination ordinance late last year by voters in Houston, and LGBT advocates worried bathroom-access fears would be used elsewhere to fight equal-rights measures. South Dakota legislators recently passed a bill requiring students to use bathrooms corresponding to their sex at birth, though it hasn't been signed by the governor."

South Dakota Governor vetoed that bill in early March.

 

[porschegrl]

Apparently, according to most people on this thread, all bathrooms ARE unisex. Just ignore the sign and go into whichever one suits your fancy that day.

I thought I had read every post in this thread, but I must have missed something. Can you point me to a post in which anyone said this? Thank you.

 

[Hikergirl]

Apparently, according to most people on this thread, all bathrooms ARE unisex. Just ignore the sign and go into whichever one suits your fancy that day.

No that isn't what most people on here have said at all. What most people have been saying is that there has been nothing stopping someone of one gender from going into the opposite's gender to get a sneak peak or their jollies before.
What most people have been saying is that transgender people have been using the bathroom whose gender they identify with long before any laws (for or against) made everyone else aware that they were.
There are other things most people are saying too, but just like the above I'm sure you really know that.

 

[damskipi13]

I thought I had read every post in this thread, but I must have missed something. Can you point me to a post in which anyone said this? Thank you.

I'm pretty sure she's referring to the fact that some people admitted that when the women's restroom line is super long at bars or sporting events, sometimes women will use the men's restroom. Which is totally the same thing as walking into any random bathroom on any given day

However, multiple posters have said they are in favor of unisex bathrooms being established. And myself and others have talked about how unisex bathrooms are used in other parts of the world and how it's no big deal.

 

[Hrhpd]

Ask any kindergartner which bathroom they should use. They can tell you in an instant!

Since the neighborhood school has a kindergartner that is part of the transgender community, they would tell you the bathroom of the person you know you are. Actually in that school district, all the kindergartners would tell you that because they are taught that in school. It is part of the anti-bullying campaign that starts early.

 

[Hikergirl]

Our kindergartens have a bathroom in their classroom, the boys and girls use the same one. In fact in the pre-school my kids went too there was 1 bathroom with 2 toilets, and boys and girls used that one too. Cue the pearl clutching LOL

 

[sunshinehighway]

Apparently, according to most people on this thread, all bathrooms ARE unisex. Just ignore the sign and go into whichever one suits your fancy that day.

That's not true at all. You are completely distorting a few posts about unisex bathrooms and a few posts about there being no laws about bathroom use previously.
I guess I could take your post and say well people here are saying most men get there jollies from standing outside the stall while women pee.
Twisting posts to fit the narrative you want does nothing to further a discussion. Actually it just shows you don't really have much of an argument for your side. If you did, you wouldn't need to resort to doing that.

 

[Planogirl]

Apparently, according to most people on this thread, all bathrooms ARE unisex. Just ignore the sign and go into whichever one suits your fancy that day.

I like having separate men's and women's bathrooms but I guess that with the lines so blurry that that is a thing of the past. I hope that the men won't mind.

 

[Planogirl]

That's not true at all. You are completely distorting a few posts about unisex bathrooms and a few posts about there being no laws about bathroom use previously.
I guess I could take your post and say well people here are saying most men get there jollies from standing outside the stall while women pee.
Twisting posts to fit the narrative you want does nothing to further a discussion. Actually it just shows you don't really have much of an argument for your side. If you did, you wouldn't need to resort to doing that.

People have commented that there are really no laws and that all bathrooms should be unisex. The previous poster isn't making that up.

 

[SirDuff]

People have commented that there are really no laws and that all bathrooms should be unisex. The previous poster isn't making that up.

"should be" and "are" do not mean the same thing.

 

[littlejimmy]

it is every mans god given right to pee in a urinal or trough in every public bathroom there is. I shall not be forced to pee in a toilet in a stall. I want to walk in, unzip while I am making my way to the urinal/trough and start peeing while I am finishing my walk up. my rights are being trampled on here...

 

[Hikergirl]

People have commented that there are really no laws and that all bathrooms should be unisex. The previous poster isn't making that up.

That poster didn't say they should be unisex she said that according to most posters here, bathrooms ARE unisex (the are is her emphasis). That is in fact made up because that is not what posters are saying.

 

[Hrhpd]

People have commented that there are really no laws and that all bathrooms should be unisex. The previous poster isn't making that up.

There is a difference between social norms and laws. There are no laws except one in NC that says people need to use the bathroom of the sex (not gender) they were born with.

Some people do have a personal opinion that bathrooms should be unisex.

Putting two different things together into a single statement to make a point is not being honest.

 

[LAB81018]

My question for these paranoid parents:

Where is it now safe for perfectly healthy teenage boys to go to the bathroom? I mean we've been told it might not be safe for these boys to go into the men's room alone (after all Jerry Sandusky might have been granted a weekend pass to WDW) so they should be allowed into the ladies room while mom does her business (who cares about whoever is uncomfortable about that). If these suddenly enlightened perverts are now going into the ladies room now, where is safe for these poor young men to go?

And don't say a random bush since if caught they could then be legally labeled a pervert themselves.

 

[PollyannaMom]

How will the golf course even KNOW why people don't come if nobody tells them? What if their business doesn't decline enough for anyone to notice? Even if there's a huge decline, it'll be 2-3 years before anyone connects the dots...

Really? Of course they'll know. In fact, I'm sure they'll be watching out for it very closely!

Nobody has to connect the dots in 2-3 years. It's all over media right now that people are pulling out of planned trips to NC because of this law. You'd have to be living under a rock to not notice this. Trust me, people are aware of this protest.

I agree.


Not that it would hurt to write a letter if you want to, of course!! It would certainly give the business owners a little extra credibility to enclose copies of customer letters with their own.

 

[sunshinehighway]

People have commented that there are really no laws and that all bathrooms should be unisex. The previous poster isn't making that up.

People have made such comments while making larger points. To just say "well people think all bathrooms are unisex" is twisting what is actually being said. It's ignoring the full meaning of their posts and cherry picking things. There's no reason to do that if one has a valid counter.

 

[Julie's Haircut]

There's a whole urinal etiquette thing you have to learn first though - no eye contact, no talking, no critiquing what you see, if you get stage fright, fake it & flush anyway, and if you're hiking your dress up, use the stalls.

You forgot to mention one of the newer etiquette rules according to some wussy metrosexual guys: Do NOT, under any circumstances, use the urinal next to one already in use. Apparently that's a horrible breach of etiquette.

 

[sailorstitch]

My friend has a transgender son. Anyone who is close to the family knows he was born a female but nobody else would know that. He looks like a typical teen boy, and there would probably be many people surprised to learn he was born a girl. Your friend's dad and people like him have probably come across a few transgender people in their lifetime, and not even been aware. What now suddenly makes them a problem? That now you know they can use the bathroom they identify with? Because, they've been doing that during your entire lifetime too.
I think the real problem is that your friend's dad (and those others) now know just how much of a bigot they truly are.

The sad thing is my friend's dad is black and cries racism at the drop of a hat. But he doesn't seem to want to extend those same equal rights to LGBT people.

sailorstitch

 

[IndyRnRfan]

Just make a unisex bathroom available and it makes everyone happy. Transgendered have bigger problems to worry about than if they are going to get harassed going into the "wrong or right" bathroom.