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I think that America and other developed countries have tried to hard to make basic activities like running and walking high tech. These activities are low tech and should be that way.

The runners from third world countries kick butt in the distance events. You would think we would be the dominating power, how come we are not?

I believe we get to hung up on what to eat, what supplements to take and what crosstraining to do.

The African runners don't crosstrain, don't take supplements and don't have the supermarkets with high tech health food sections. What they do is run. They run long and slow to build endurance, they run up hills to get stronger and they run fast to get faster.

Are we missing the boat here trying to find the easy "magic pill" and not doing the basic hard work that is required?

Please share your thoughts and your own opinions on training and leading the healthy lifestyle.

Dave:hippie:
 
Hi Dave :banana:

I Have been training for 4 weeks solid with 2 days off each week. Now I am into my 5th week and am extremely tired I try as hard to get out to move but It is very tough. Not to mention that my legs throb in the morning.

I usually do the elliptical for a half hour (3miles) and then 20 mins on the treadmill (20 mins 2miles) and that is monday, wednesday and friday. Then on the off days I will do one or the other. Also doing weights and crunches.

I also have been trying to eat alot better. But its hard around all the great desserts. :eek:

Please tell me this will be all worth it in the end. I really want to lose 30lbs and get my gold medal!
 
Hi Dave :banana:

I Have been training for 4 weeks solid with 2 days off each week. Now I am into my 5th week and am extremely tired I try as hard to get out to move but It is very tough. Not to mention that my legs throb in the morning.

I usually do the elliptical for a half hour (3miles) and then 20 mins on the treadmill (20 mins 2miles) and that is monday, wednesday and friday. Then on the off days I will do one or the other. Also doing weights and crunches.

I also have been trying to eat alot better. But its hard around all the great desserts. :eek:

Please tell me this will be all worth it in the end. I really want to lose 30lbs and get my gold medal!

Yes you are worth it. You are strong and determined.

I feel your pain on the desserts, they bring in stuff to work, I've got them all thinking healthy now. When someone brings pizza there is now thin crust veggie to go with the regular deep dish supreme or extra meat. People now bring in fresh veggies from the garden instead of the cake with sour cream icing.

You may be doing to much to soon, try having a real rest day and an extra sleep day in there to. Also self massage for your legs and gentle stretching after working out might help.

Dave:hippie:
 
Hi Dave :banana:

I Have been training for 4 weeks solid with 2 days off each week. Now I am into my 5th week and am extremely tired I try as hard to get out to move but It is very tough. Not to mention that my legs throb in the morning.

I usually do the elliptical for a half hour (3miles) and then 20 mins on the treadmill (20 mins 2miles) and that is monday, wednesday and friday. Then on the off days I will do one or the other. Also doing weights and crunches.

I also have been trying to eat alot better. But its hard around all the great desserts. :eek:

Please tell me this will be all worth it in the end. I really want to lose 30lbs and get my gold medal!

GIRL IT IS SOOOO WORTH IT, I PROMISE!! :yay: I am speaking from experience. It was not that long a go that I was 30 lbs heavier and could not run more than a few minutes on the treadmill without walking. Now 2 - 1/2 Marathons later I am here to say it can be done.

PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP!!:cheer2: It is so hard when you are in the middle of it, not seeing results but consistency (no matter how frustrating:sad2: ) is what made the difference for me. Keep going!

angie
 

OK, Dave
I’ll play. I rarely post, but this is an intriguing topic for me. I think there is some merit in what you are saying. I have been to Africa, Uganda, to be specific, several times, and one thing I do see less of over there is distractions. There simply is less to occupy their time, so if their necessities are met and are not a concern (food, clothing, shelter) than the African can focus more intensely on running. An African runner who shows potential would be well taken care of, so they could focus on running, which brings great pride to countries with so little. The elite American runner will likely have family and friend commitments and just everyday distractions.

Elite African runners do watch what they eat, as do American runners. As a people group Africans eat a lot of starchy foods, but they burn so many more calories than we do. They have to work hard for everything. We pop things in a microwave, stick clothes in the washing machine, drive around the corner to visit a friend. Life is harder over there. When you look at the people it is amazing to see how beautiful Africans teeth are, even when they don’t brush. They don’t have the endless variety of processed foods we have. You do see a lot of kids chomping on sugar cane, but that is about it. Also many of the kids actually run to school, some for many miles. So they start off very early running.

The majority of elite African runners come from Kenya and Ethiopia, and some studies are showing that there may be a genetic advantage for certain African tribes. Certainly they have an adaptive advantage. They live at higher elevations, they have higher VO2 max’s, which allow them to go faster with less oxygen, they have higher lactate thresholds, which allow them to maintain faster pace for longer periods. It is similar to the way Sherpa’s make the best climbing guides for Everest expeditions. Their bodies have been adapting since birth.

There training is actually very different than ours. It is very very intense. They run long, but they certainly don’t run slow. Christopher McDougall writes in Outside Magazine, the Kenyan style "mandates a combination of huge mileage, relentless race-caliber intensity, and an every-man-for-himself attitude," combined with "a ruthless process of elimination that leaves many promising runners injured or demoralized.”

An interesting book that brings points of this style into American training is Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger. In a nutshell, make your hard workouts harder, and your rest/recovery workouts easier. It is an excellent book and does talk a lot about nutrition and the elements of training and how we can improve in certain areas of our current training.

I think it is a combination of factors that make African continent runners so dominant.

Are we looking for a magic pill? Who isn’t? I think there is a lot to be said for the average runner like us who take supplements, who cross train and who eat healthy. They really do positively affect us average Joes. Most of us weren’t born in the conditions, circumstances or motivations to make us elite runners, but every single one of us could find room for improvement. We need to focus on the big things that have the greatest impact on our health and performance. Will buying shoes that are 2 grams lighter have an impact on your racing performance? It may for the elite runner, but probably not for the rest of us. So I will continue to cross train, otherwise my body would by wrecked; continue to fill my body with the appropriate fuel; and continue to train with increasing intensity. My personal problem is that I don’t do recovery runs slow enough. I feel I peak at week 10 of an 18 week schedule, because I start to hurt. For example mid training I ran a 10 mile tempo run in 1:07 (6:46 mpm avg). I was flying, and feeling great. But I came back the next day and did a 5 mile recovery run with a 7:55 avg and the following day another 10 mile averaging 7:44. WAY too fast for recovery days. It's a total pride/ego thing to run those days faster than I should.

I have May 9th circled on my calendar to sign up for Marine Corps Marathon. This time I am I going to practice what I am preaching.

Anyway that is my 2 cents on a very interesting topic.

Dave
 
Hey RockClimber, thanks for your response. I was hoping I could get people like you with a lot of personal experience to share thoughts. We are all an experiment of one.

A point you hit on about recovery is near and dear to me as well. It was always after my 'best' efforts that I ended up injuring myself. I've had to make some new rules for me since turning 50. I probably error to far on the side of caution now. Any effort that results in a PR means the next day will be a very easy or complete rest day. If I miss a good nights sleep, that day also is very easy. Finally if I have three hard days the next day is rest.

That was interesting about the African running from someone with first hand experience. I often wondered if the developed countries bleed off a lot of athletes who could be superior runners into better paying sports.

I try to eat a basic low fat high complex carb diet. My down fall as with many others is the availabity of easy food. When I get home from work I will pop a box of 'processed steamed veggies' in the micro wave instead of eating fresh.

Dave:hippie:
 
Google a man named John Keston. This guy is amazing. He started running at age 55. He started running about 20 miles a week and took 5 years to building his mileage to 60 miles per week. Get this... He holds the world record for 70 and over marathon times with a 3:00:58. Simply amazing. I only hope to be around at 70, let alone running, let alone competing, let alone running a 3 hour marathon. He certainly has some type of formula for running well.

Dave
 
Interesting topic, Dave. I agree with everything you and Dave said. I do think American culture is somewhat based on the "magic pill" mentality (moresoe than almost any other country in the world), and many companies are driven to sell by this philosophy. I think a lot of the technological advancements of the past few years offer amazing advantages for runners today, even for us "average joes" who have no aspirations of crossing the NYC finish line in first place. GPS, shoe pod, and heartrate monitor technology are amazing tools, and I know I don't need to go into those details with you guys. But I do think some of this new technology can lead to attempting to sell the magic pill, especially for those who don't train on a regular basis, but are looking for an easy way to get "there" without really working. Good results require hard work, that hasn't changed in thousands of years. The latest Nike IPod technology and Polar heartrate monitor and Clif protein shakes won't do us any good if we don't put in the time and effort to better ouselves.

I know I don't always practice what I preach, I know I should probably eat healthier most days, I know I could probably get that one extra workout in per week that I may miss. But I'm glad that I think I've figured out that the magic pill doesn't work, that when it really comes down to it, being in shape and living healthy isn't as complicated as some would want you to believe. Where the rubber meets the road (literally) is where it really matters.

I know I'll never see a 14 minute 5K in my future, but I'm ok with that. Kudos to those that put in the time and effort (and a little help from genetics) to get to that point.

Ok, I'm rambling now, but I just had to post to your thread. Great topic!

Steve
 
I wonder how much our lifestyle affects our performance. Most of us don't get our 8 hours of sleep a night. I do well to get a regular 7 hours. This daylight savings time, get up an hour early has me feeling whipped today.

This year I'm going to make a huge effort to de-technical my life when it comes to things like mowing the yard. I will push mow instead of ride mow, starting this week since it needs the first mowing of the season.

Dave:)
 
Angie, you were 30 pds. heavier??? I cannot picture that...you'll have to post a before picture before I believe it. lol:yay: Great job..I hope to have a praise report like yours!:thumbsup2



GIRL IT IS SOOOO WORTH IT, I PROMISE!! :yay: I am speaking from experience. It was not that long a go that I was 30 lbs heavier and could not run more than a few minutes on the treadmill without walking. Now 2 - 1/2 Marathons later I am here to say it can be done.

PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP!!:cheer2: It is so hard when you are in the middle of it, not seeing results but consistency (no matter how frustrating:sad2: ) is what made the difference for me. Keep going!

angie
 
Thanks for all the great words..I came back on the track with the help of my mom. I started training easier and iceing my knees after work out..works better. Its hard when I walk a hugh kitchen at night for my job. Not to mention play with cookies and cakes.

So i went back to eating salads, chicken, vegs and fruit. :)
 
Thanks for all the great words..I came back on the track with the help of my mom. I started training easier and iceing my knees after work out..works better. Its hard when I walk a hugh kitchen at night for my job. Not to mention play with cookies and cakes.

So i went back to eating salads, chicken, vegs and fruit. :)

Miranda you are going to be strong and looking soooo good by summer. Everyday counts, put enough days together and you will be amazed at what you can accomplish.

When I turned 50 I had let myself get so out of shape that I got winded washing my car window with one of those squeegee things, when I got gas. Now I'm ready for a fast Goofy.

The ice really works, treat your self to a massage to.

Dave:hippie:
 
Dave-

Interesting topic. I agree that it seems as if American runners are looking for a magic pill. But why wouldn't we? Sit down and wath an hour of television and just count the drug related commericals. We are being brain washed.

As for the Africans not needing the hi tech food - thats because they already have it. Their diet hasn't been watered down with fillers etc like our processed American food. We need all these supplements to recover what has been processed out of our food.

Who mentioned that we have more distractions? This is huge. So is the fact that most of us own more than one car. I live within a mile of two grocery stores and I bet I can count the number of times I have walked to either one. And everytime I walked it was so we could get an ice cream cone at the shop next door....

Try this, write down everything you eat for about two or three days. Try to eat healthy - or not. Then go to www.fitday.com and enter everything you ate for those 3 days. I was absolutely horrified the first week I entered my food. It taught me alot about what is and isn't healthy.

Add your exercise and see how your net calories work out. This got fun as my miles got really high training for WDW marathon. Now adays its not as much fun.

So the trick is to eat healthy and not get distracted and run everywhere. Do Kenyans drink beer?

Cecilia
 
Dave-

Interesting topic. I agree that it seems as if American runners are looking for a magic pill. But why wouldn't we? Sit down and wath an hour of television and just count the drug related commericals. We are being brain washed.

As for the Africans not needing the hi tech food - thats because they already have it. Their diet hasn't been watered down with fillers etc like our processed American food. We need all these supplements to recover what has been processed out of our food.

Do Kenyans drink beer?

Cecilia

You are spot on with the brain-washing. I work at a lenscrafters in a mall. We have 3 health products stores and only one book store and no toy store. Has the "toy that runs on imagination" been replaced by the video game?

I have to eat my lunch there so usually either subway or a wendy's salad and plain baked potato. Lots of high fat choices though.

We will have to ask someone else if Kenyans drink beer, whether they do or not I like a cold beer in the summer.

Dave:hippie:
 



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