TouringPlans... park recommendations vanished?

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Hi guys

Has anyone else noticed this? I have just logged in to plan my September trip, and whilst the crowd calendars are still there, the best and worst park recommendations seem to have vanished!

Has this happened to everyone? Is this a permanent change?

Please help!

Thanks :goodvibes
 
I've just seen this too.

It's not really important as long as the crowd rating is still there.

I think it's even better without the best/worst park recommandation. Because recommandations are not equally valid for offsiters and onsiters.
 
The 'best/worst park' recommendations have been gone for some time now. If you read the information/FAQs on their website, it will tell you why. I also look at easywdw and find that the two are quite often in complete contradiction with each other so I don't know if this is Touring Plans' way of countering this :confused3
 
Thanks both :)

At least you can now just apply a common sense approach I guess. I did often wonder if TP purposely contradicted with easyWDW because that's a free resource which more people were likely to follow, hence upping crowds... But I'm probably over thinking it! Although if you saw my holiday planning spreadsheet, that seems to be a common theme ;)
 

I did often wonder if TP purposely contradicted with easyWDW because that's a free resource which more people were likely to follow, hence upping crowds... But I'm probably over thinking it!

EasyWDW and TP, although quite popular, do not have enough followers to have any influence on the general public on any given day in the parks.

One of the main issues with best/worst has to do with what you consider to be the best.

There are 2 main kind of guests. Onsiters and offsiters. And within these categories, you have rope dropers and non rope dropers. And within these subcategories you have all different kind of guests who all have a different approach.

The "top" category, onsiter vs offsiter do not have the same best/worst standpoint.

An onsiter will want to use morning EMH because that gives them a 1 hour head start on the general guest, on top of the rope-dropping head start guests get over those who sleep in.
And some onsiters will want to sleep in, so the best park (EMH) for the guy next door becomes a worst park for them.

An offsiter will most probably avoid morning EMH parks, because they will only be allowed in at a time when the lines are already formed.

In that respect, you might have noticed that planning sites consistentely will put the EMH park as a non recommanded park. Because their audience is not 100% onsiters.

With FP+ it's become even more difficult to make a best/worst park prediction. Basically what is a "best" park ? It's a park where you can enter, and ride the big rides with an acceptable wait. Now with FP+ you can reserve rides in advance. I'm not going to start an argument about FP+ pros/cons, I'm just saying that it changes things.

Also, the very important indicator is the overall crowd level.
A best park is only best compared to other parks on that day. And same goes for the worst park

A "worst" park on a 4 day is certainly more manageable than a "best" park on a 8 day.

There is also another parameter, it's the hopper option. We get ultimate tickets so we tend to forget that many guests do not have the option to change parks during the day. And the touring strategy is very different.
There are parks that will be best in the morning, (best for "your" strategy), and another park will be best for the afternoon/evening. But for a non hopper guest, choosing THE best park is a choice made for the entire day.

So many different guests, it's difficult to come up with a blanket statement, and to define a best or a worst.

I've always though that Josh and TP were not contradicting each other. They just have a different approach. Both of which are valid for a sizeable portion of the guest pool visiting that day.
 
Touringplans actually state that there is no need for a recommended park anymore because with the new layout you can see which one has the lowest crowd levels. So it's not listed separately because it's apparent.

If you have

MK 7
EP 6
AK 4
HS 5

It's quite obvious that AK is the recommended park for the day so they have simply not stated the obvious but it's still there; just not under the title of "Recommended park"
 
That's a very considered, reasoned post!

I often wonder what proportion of guests fall into the categories that you mention above - because I only ever meet planners on here, I assume everyone is the same - and I meet a lot of FP runners (lol) I also assume many people do this - but the actual proportion is probably very low!

The amount of people who stroll into Epcot at 10 and head straight to spaceship earth is probably much higher, lol.

Anyway fortunately for our next visit crowds are 2s and 3s so I don't need to worry - more planning ahead for our next school holiday, manically busy trip!
 
That's a very considered, reasoned post!

I often wonder what proportion of guests fall into the categories that you mention above - because I only ever meet planners on here, I assume everyone is the same - and I meet a lot of FP runners (lol) I also assume many people do this - but the actual proportion is probably very low!

The amount of people who stroll into Epcot at 10 and head straight to spaceship earth is probably much higher, lol.

Anyway fortunately for our next visit crowds are 2s and 3s so I don't need to worry - more planning ahead for our next school holiday, manically busy trip!

Ha lucky you!
I'm still dreading our next trip in June-July as we're at Universal for 7 nights and it looks like Diagon alley will open just before or while we are there,
Then we go to Disney for damn July 4th wk for 14nights talk about terrible timing,,,,,
Would never have booked those dates ever, as we was booked for May 11th for 3wks then DH work as usual wrecked it.
 
Ha lucky you!
I'm still dreading our next trip in June-July as we're at Universal for 7 nights and it looks like Diagon alley will open just before or while we are there,
Then we go to Disney for damn July 4th wk for 14nights talk about terrible timing,,,,,
Would never have booked those dates ever, as we was booked for May 11th for 3wks then DH work as usual wrecked it.

I wouldn't worry too much as we've done 4th July for 2 weeks for the last couple of years and always loved it! Epcot illuminations that night are even more spectacular than ever. Must say we do avoid MK on the 4th but otherwise we always have a blast :goodvibes
 
I wouldn't worry too much as we've done 4th July for 2 weeks for the last couple of years and always loved it! Epcot illuminations that night are even more spectacular than ever. Must say we do avoid MK on the 4th but otherwise we always have a blast :goodvibes

This is very good to know!
:)
What with worrying about the weather too! I'm going to give myself an ulcer ;)
 
Years ago on the WDW website there was a planning page and the general rule was to visit the park the day after it's morning EMH. :D
 
Years ago on the WDW website there was a planning page and the general rule was to visit the park the day after it's morning EMH. :D

there was also something like visiting the parks the day after the evening EMH

supposedly, onsite guests who wanted to enjoy a park would go to evening EMH, and the next day, they would probably want to visit another park, hence lowering that park's attendance ... wether true or false IDK ..
 
I also read not MK on a Monday or EPCOT on a Tuesday.

This is because apparently lots of US visitors arrive Sunday night/Monday morning so then hit MK on their first day and EPCOT on their second.

We did TGM on our trips and travelled Thursday so Friday was our first day and that was always a 'good' morning for MK. I think becaus there was an EMH the day before.
 
I also read not MK on a Monday or EPCOT on a Tuesday. This is because apparently lots of US visitors arrive Sunday night/Monday morning so then hit MK on their first day and EPCOT on their second. We did TGM on our trips and travelled Thursday so Friday was our first day and that was always a 'good' morning for MK. I think becaus there was an EMH the day before.

Yep that's exactly what I read all the time.

Also like to arrive Thursdays :D
 


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