Top Chef - Season Two

[RitaZ.]

There WAS a time not too long ago....

 

[letterdavidman]

Where I'm from it is an AWESOME reason!! AND a justification....

Nice.

Of course, it's not too surprising considering the homage to a man convicted of assaulting a police officer in your sig...

 

[va32h]

Where I'm from it is an AWESOME reason!! AND a justification....

If you're joking, it's a lousy joke. If you're serious, that's just plain lousy.

How would you feel if everyone complained about Cliff being oh....let's use a really loaded word like "uppity". And then one night they all got together and decided to hog tie him and put it on film....would that be awesome, and justified?

 

[RUDisney]

If you're joking, it's a lousy joke. If you're serious, that's just plain lousy.

How would you feel if everyone complained about Cliff being oh....let's use a really loaded word like "uppity". And then one night they all got together and decided to hog tie him and put it on film....would that be awesome, and justified?

I didn't think Robin was joking. There are many people in this world who look for excuses to pick on or hog tie other people for reasons that the rest of us would shun. Watch the news at night. Drive by shootings, road rage shootings, rapes, murders, beatings.... you don't think that there are people in your area who would just as soon shoot a person because they looked at them the wrong way? I live in the real world and agree with what Robin said. While she lives in a big city where there may be more of those people pining for any excuse to justify their actions, I live in a smaller town where I know these people exist, too.

As for her signature, yep, I'm sure that she put him there because he assaulted a cop. It couldn't possibly be for all of the greatness he brought to music. There's talk about his estate setting up a Graceland type memorial to him. I'm sure that's because he assaulted a cop, too. Oh, and when I explained to my kids who he was when we heard of his death, they thought he was a pretty neat guy. They could understand why I was sad that he had passed. So many more cops to assault and all...

 

[fakereadhed]

This is getting so OT, but really...what part of the and in Robin's post didn't you understand?

My take on the Marcel thing is that he has really poor social skills...and it makes for great dynamics on a reality show. They were looking for another Steven from the first season.

 

[RitaZ.]

My take on the Marcel thing is that he has really poor social skills...

That's exactly what I thought. Some of the other chefs/cooks perceived him as weak, thus making him an easy target. You know, they were bullies; just like a lot of kids behave in middle school.

BTW, I do think that Va32's question to Robin is valid. If the scenario would have happened as Va presented it in her post, I'm willing to bet that Robin would have been one of the first (if not the first) to come here and post about the injustice of it.

 

[va32h]

I didn't think Robin was joking. There are many people in this world who look for excuses to pick on or hog tie other people for reasons that the rest of us would shun. Watch the news at night. Drive by shootings, road rage shootings, rapes, murders, beatings.... you don't think that there are people in your area who would just as soon shoot a person because they looked at them the wrong way? I live in the real world and agree with what Robin said. While she lives in a big city where there may be more of those people pining for any excuse to justify their actions, I live in a smaller town where I know these people exist, too.

But the point is, do those people who are shot at, beaten, etc. deserve it because they are annoying? Do you find that violence amusing?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Robin's point was, based on her previous posts, that Marcel deserved to be held down and threatened, because he was so annoying. And that anyone like Marcel would be treated similarly in her neighborhood, and that would be hilariously entertaining to watch.

 

[RUDisney]

But the point is, do those people who are shot at, beaten, etc. deserve it because they are annoying? Do you find that violence amusing?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Robin's point was, based on her previous posts, that Marcel deserved to be held down and threatened, because he was so annoying. And that anyone like Marcel would be treated similarly in her neighborhood, and that would be hilariously entertaining to watch.

Of course the victims of violence don't deserve it. But, the fact remains that there are plenty of people who look for excuses to be violent. That doesn't mean that I find it amusing. It just means that I understand that there are people who DO find it amusing. Hopefully, I will never run into one of them who aims their violence at me.

I didn't read that into Robin's posts. Sorry, but I didn't.

 

[DancingBear]

Nice.

Of course, it's not too surprising considering the homage to a man convicted of assaulting a police officer in your sig...

OMG, did Taylor Hicks hit a cop?

 

[letterdavidman]

OMG, did Taylor Hicks hit a cop?

Yeah, he was able to maintain control up until the cop called him a "wannabe Michael Bolton". After that, he just totally lost it.

 

[letterdavidman]

As for her signature, yep, I'm sure that she put him there because he assaulted a cop. It couldn't possibly be for all of the greatness he brought to music. There's talk about his estate setting up a Graceland type memorial to him. I'm sure that's because he assaulted a cop, too. Oh, and when I explained to my kids who he was when we heard of his death, they thought he was a pretty neat guy. They could understand why I was sad that he had passed. So many more cops to assault and all...

Cute.

You made me laugh, and for that I am grateful.

 

[Figment22]

Where I'm from it is an AWESOME reason!! AND a justification....

Robin, who in my opinion, is one of the nicest people on the DISboards, is a strong woman who certainly doesn't need me to defend her, but it's most definitely apparent to me that THIS WAS SAID AS A JOKE! She's originally from Brooklyn and was obviously making a joke about the stereotypical image of New Yorkers. I don't think anyone needs to get their panties in a wad over this and end up having to have the thread closed as happened with the American Idol thread two seasons ago.

I would hate to think that Robin would end up avoiding this thread because I've enjoyed and appreciated her comments.

And, IIRC, she mentioned in another thread that she knew James Brown personally. I'd have him in my siggy under similar circumstances, not to mention that his contributions to American music cannot be trumpeted enough.

Back to Top Chef discussion, please...

 

[letterdavidman]

Robin, who in my opinion, is one of the nicest people on the DISboards, is a strong woman who certainly doesn't need me to defend her, but it's most definitely apparent to me that THIS WAS SAID AS A JOKE! She's originally from Brooklyn and was obviously making a joke about the stereotypical image of New Yorkers. I don't think anyone needs to get their panties in a wad over this and end up having to have the thread closed as happened with the American Idol thread two seasons ago.

I would hate to think that Robin would end up avoiding this thread because I've enjoyed and appreciated her comments.

And, IIRC, she mentioned in another thread that she knew James Brown personally. I'd have him in my siggy under similar circumstances, not to mention that his contributions to American music cannot be trumpeted enough.

Back to Top Chef discussion, please...

Agreed, and with apologies.

 

[darrose]

Go Marcel!!!!
As to violence, Marcel should not have to fear being beat up by upset viewers.
It saddens me that any grown adult would condone physical violence upon Marcel just because he "annoys" them. Marcel is someones son.

 

[Robinrs]

Nice.

Of course, it's not too surprising considering the homage to a man convicted of assaulting a police officer in your sig...

Yep, he's my hero.

In 1967 he wrote these words:

"Some say we have a lot of malice some say we have a lot of nerve..."

I guess you might say I have both.

Yes, he made mistakes but he wrote words that got me through some horrible times back in the 60s, and that's what I remember him for.

Hey, I don't pick on Pooh, do I? Get off my siggie!!

BTW, I WAS kidding, people, get REAL. I too, have a son and would never justify the way I survived the mean streets on anyone. I still think Marcel is a jerk and though he didn't deserve the manhandling, he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be Top Chef just because everyone feels sorry for him.

 

[Robinrs]

Robin, who in my opinion, is one of the nicest people on the DISboards, is a strong woman who certainly doesn't need me to defend her, but it's most definitely apparent to me that THIS WAS SAID AS A JOKE! She's originally from Brooklyn and was obviously making a joke about the stereotypical image of New Yorkers. I don't think anyone needs to get their panties in a wad over this and end up having to have the thread closed as happened with the American Idol thread two seasons ago.

I would hate to think that Robin would end up avoiding this thread because I've enjoyed and appreciated her comments.

And, IIRC, she mentioned in another thread that she knew James Brown personally. I'd have him in my siggy under similar circumstances, not to mention that his contributions to American music cannot be trumpeted enough.

Back to Top Chef discussion, please...

Thanks Fig! I didn't see this before I posted.

You're so sweet...

 

[Oh Kay!]

From the beginning, Marcel stood apart from the other contestants. I don't think it's due his lack of social skill, because if you look at each contestants, I don't think any one of them set an example for social grace. I took notice of Marcel in the first episode when I learned he works at a Joel Robuchon restaurant. Joel Robuchon trained who's who of top chefs, and is considered one of the best, if not the best, chefs in the world right now. Compare that to other contestants--caterers, line cooks, room service cook. Sam and Cliff may be executive chefs, but not at very well known restaurants.

Now, for Marcel's social skills, he works at a very large kitchen, probably works with more people than the other contestants do at their workplace, and guessing by the clips from the last show, he lives with several other chefs. I don't think if he truly lacks social skills, he could survive in that environment.

I think other contestants decided to disliked Marcel, and interpret he's words and actions in the worst light. I liked Sam and Ilan at the beginning, but now I think Marcel deserves to win for putting up with all the immature unprofessional behaviors without whinig about them.

 

[Robinrs]

If you're joking, it's a lousy joke. If you're serious, that's just plain lousy.

How would you feel if everyone complained about Cliff being oh....let's use a really loaded word like "uppity". And then one night they all got together and decided to hog tie him and put it on film....would that be awesome, and justified?

I personally couldn't stand Cliff, even more than Marcel, and was GLAD to see him go. I actually liked him about as much as Mia did!

 

[letterdavidman]

Yep, he's my hero.

In 1967 he wrote these words:

"Some say we have a lot of malice some say we have a lot of nerve..."

I guess you might say I have both.

Yes, he made mistakes but he wrote words that got me through some horrible times back in the 60s, and that's what I remember him for.

Hey, I don't pick on Pooh, do I? Get off my siggie!!

BTW, I WAS kidding, people, get REAL. I too, have a son and would never justify the way I survived the mean streets on anyone. I still think Marcel is a jerk and though he didn't deserve the manhandling, he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be Top Chef just because everyone feels sorry for him.

Touche.

And please accept my apology for dumping on your use of Mr. Brown--a certified legend, and, as a HUGE fan of music, an artist I genuinely really like--in your sig. As you have seen, I can go to some pretty ridiculous places (that's right, I said it) in the attempt to win a debate. And I'm sorry if I caused you any feelings of anger or discomfort by traipsing out onto that particular limb.

Now, as someone said earlier, let's get back to the TC discussion!

Marcel does kinda rule, though!

 

[fakereadhed]

Now, as someone said earlier, let's get back to the TC discussion!

Awww! I thought we were all going to hold Robin down and shave her head.

(BTW, that was a joke for those of you who can't tell/and or don't like James Brown.)