too many mnsshp scheduled in one week

[SaintsManiac]

I get the irritation about not being able to do MK at night if its just wishes you want to see. Go over to Grand Floridian or Poly and hang out. They have great views and are beautiful hotels. First class drinks as well.

Exactly!

 

[maxiesmom]

I get the irritation about not being able to do MK at night if its just wishes you want to see. Go over to Grand Floridian or Poly and hang out. They have great views and are beautiful hotels. First class drinks as well.

Except they will see Hallowishes and not Wishes.

 

[goldie09]

For those who are travelling in October and worried about MK hours due to MNSSHP (which I totally understand and sympathize, as I feel the same way), the MK hours for our day, Saturday October 29, were just updated to be 8am-12am. YAY I love a nice long day in MK!!

 

[Missyrose]

we do go in the Fall as the discounts are better for our families but it is tough when you have 6 days at the parks and 4 of those 6 MK closes early.

You like Disney's discounts, but you don't like the manner in which Disney recoups that lost revenue.

 

[IrishNYC]

Disney world is not a major city though, is it? it's a theme park / collection of theme parks. If I book with my TA in UK, they are not going to tell me, book your restaurant reservations 6 months out, and I am not necessarily going to think of doing so, because, I have booked an entire on site holiday, I would expect to get in to eat a sit down meal. I would not magically know otherwise. Now, common sense would tell me if I want to eat at a specific restaurant at a specific time, especially if it has a reputation, in London, or New York, or Paris etc, I will make a reservation. Honestly, there is no general, not in the world of disney fans, buzz, in the Uk, about disney restaurants.

If I hadn't googled because I was getting married in WDW and wanted to book a restaurant for a large number of people, even my wedding coordinator over here didn't tell me that it was necessary to book so far in advance, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that people generally might not know this level of planning is necessary.

If that's the case with your TA, your TA has no business booking Disney vacations.

 

[scard192]

You like Disney's discounts, but you don't like the manner in which Disney recoups that lost revenue.

No I accept that as the trade off for the discount I get.

what about discounts January - August? No parties then to recoup the lost revenue?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

No I accept that as the trade off for the discount I get.

what about discounts January - August? No parties then to recoup the lost revenue?

You're assuming that recoupment is done in the same period, rather than via the course of the FY.

January-June they do run some runDisney stuff (with increased rack rates, limited discounting), and also have shorter park hours, thereby reducing labor costs.

 

[DrunkJam]

If that's the case with your TA, your TA has no business booking Disney vacations.

That may be true, but the average first timer, booked with well known international travel company has no way to know that any information is missing there, so, it's unhelpful to disparage people for not knowing.

 

[IrishNYC]

That may be true, but the average first timer, booked with well known international travel company has no way to know that any information is missing there, so, it's unhelpful to disparage people for not knowing.

I didn't disparage you, I disparaged your TA. I would have a huge issue if I arrived at WDW and found out that my TA dropped the ball on dinner reservation knowledge.

 

[DrunkJam]

I didn't disparage you, I disparaged your TA. I would have a huge issue if I arrived at WDW and found out that my TA dropped the ball on dinner reservation knowledge.

No, I didn't feel disparaged. I have seen it on the boards though, generally, and I wonder if people on the DIS do realise quite how little information people (especially overseas) are / could be given when they book a disney vacation.

 

[DrunkJam]

And, yes, I was shocked. I mean, I was a disney bride, and even then, I ONLY found out how far out I needed to book meals etc, because I stumbled upon the DIS searching for cake and music info.

 

[mdsouth]

But when you hear the same complaints over and over and the same venting over and over it just gets a bit tedious.

My question is if you find vents like this one tedious, than why did you open the thread and read it and then complain about it. If you had researched a bit - you just had to read the title of this thread, you could have avoided the "tedious" discussion.

 

[megster1123]

My question is if you find vents like this one tedious, than why did you open the thread and read it and then complain about it. If you had researched a bit - you just had to read the title of this thread, you could have avoided the "tedious" discussion.

I'm sorry you're bothered by my comment. Actually, by opening threads and reading them I've learned a LOT about the WDW planning process. So the title said "too many MNSHPP scheduled in one week." Are they talking about going to too many? Are they trying to plan around parties? Who knows, that's why I opened and read. By opening threads and reading about different planning scenarios, I feel like I've learned a lot of helped information that's helped me plan our trip. But see, I like information. Not needless whining and venting just for the sake blowing off steam.

 

[TigerlilyAJ]

Exactly. I'd rather see more parties, thus hoping to spread out the crowds a bit. I can't imagine the crowd with only 1-2 parties per week.

More parties just means selling more tickets to parties. It does not mean fewer guests per party. WDW would not schedule more parties, taking on the extra costs for the shows and M&Gs, etc., unless parties were selling out so they need to add more, with all parties selling most of their tickets. Just like musical acts adding concert tour dates. Fewer parties would mean more people couldn't go to them because they could not get tickets to a capped event.
What more parties do is crowd up the nights where there are not parties, as then the park is only capped at fire-marshall rules. People not attending parties all have to crowd into a couple of nights for their one shot at doing MK at night. Everyone, party-goers and everyone else, has fewer chances to see the regular Wishes, so those nights are the crazy crowds. Not party nights. Fewer parties would ease the demand for MK on non-party nights.
The parties induce more people to pay extra for PHs if they want to do MK during the day of a party and then enjoy the evening at another park, which seems like the only reasonable way to handle four parties in a week. So parties can cost you a premium even when you do not attend. More parties exacerbate the issue.

And then, there is the additional stuff. Who magically knows you can book something like the pirates and pals, or pirates league, or, that there is club villain, or any of that. OK, you don't NEED it. But, really there is SO much extra involved in organising a disney holiday, and if you are on the DIS, this is second nature, if not, then, it can be really challenging.

Exactly. Yes, my TA gave me pointers about PPO character meals, ADRs at 180, FP at 60, but that is about it. Nothing about the daunting array of premium extras, not even BBB, let alone fireworks parties and cruises or tours, or to watch out for how parties can affect tour planning.
Not to mention BINGO to the PP who mentioned the reality of things being different in the here and now no matter how much research you do. I booked in April before EMM existed, and I made ADRs (which means planning which park on which day) before they extended EMM into December. What should I do about the possible-but-not-definite existence of RoL? And I have every reason to expect that some of my PPO reservations will become RD reservations once they adjust park hours--but I'm 83 days out and I still don't know which/how many of my vacation days will be affected.
No one can plan for every detail and monkey wrench Disney PTB will throw at them.
So, OP, I get how dealing with the reality of planning and executing a trip around MK not being available so many nights is frustrating.

 

[maxiesmom]

That may be true, but the average first timer, booked with well known international travel company has no way to know that any information is missing there, so, it's unhelpful to disparage people for not knowing.

It is never ever a good idea to book a Disney vacation with anyone other than a Disney travel agent. There is so much to a Disney vacation that it is a bad idea. I've seen many posts where people thought they had a TA who was knowledgeable about Disney, but wasn't a Disney agent, and they ended up with so many problems.

And to the poster who compared trying to plan around the parties to Disney changing park hours, they are no where near the same thing. The party dates are given at least 6 months out, and they are set in stone. They are very easy to plan around.

 

[mom2rtk]

More parties just means selling more tickets to parties. It does not mean fewer guests per party.

To a certain extent, yes. But not every party at WDW sells out. DLR has fewer Halloween parties and sells out almost every single one. The WDW Halloween party only sells out a handful each season.

 

[Nancyg56]

If that's the case with your TA, your TA has no business booking Disney vacations.

I agree.

I didn't disparage you, I disparaged your TA. I would have a huge issue if I arrived at WDW and found out that my TA dropped the ball on dinner reservation knowledge.

I would as well. DH and. I were having dinner and our server had just returned from a WDW trip. Her TA had talked her into the DxDDP for her. And her DD. Did not tell them to book one meal. They got there and you know that they was not one characters meal available. This was before MDE, so they really could not find openings on the fly.. She was upset, but only complained to the TA. I would have had a more. Detailed chat.

 

[DVCcurious]

Historically aren't there always 3 per week in October? You could have looked back at the dates/days of past parties and figured out there would be at least 3 or 4 parties during your dates.

That's not the point. The point is that 4 parties in one week is TOO DAMN MANY!

I don't really care what they did in the past. There are lots of things that happened "in the past" that have changed for the better. Every party night "steals" magic kingdom hours from those without a party ticket. 4 "thefts" of MK hours in one week is too many.

Disney has been cutting back on things everywhere. This is another example. Instead of the park being open from 9:00AM until 12:00AM they shut it down at 7:00PM (for people with normal park tickets) and reopen at 7:00PM (for people with special event tickets) and then close at 12:00AM. So Magic Kingdom is open the same number of hours with the same number of staff (roughly) but they get to double the day's profits because they get to charge entrance fees twice.

It's just blind corporate greed and I do not approve!

 

[maxiesmom]

[QUOTE="DVCcurious, post: 56482131, member: 470958"

Disney has been cutting back on things everywhere. This is another example. Instead of the park being open from 9:00AM until 12:00AM they shut it down at 7:00PM (for people with normal park tickets) and reopen at 7:00PM (for people with special event tickets) and then close at 12:00AM. So Magic Kingdom is open the same number of hours with the same number of staff (roughly) but they get to double the day's profits because they get to charge entrance fees twice.

It's just blind corporate greed and I do not approve![/QUOTE]

Before the parties the Magic Kingdom was NOT open until midnight. So there is no theft of hours. There is no cut back.

 

[Missyrose]

That's not the point. The point is that 4 parties in one week is TOO DAMN MANY!

I don't really care what they did in the past. There are lots of things that happened "in the past" that have changed for the better. Every party night "steals" magic kingdom hours from those without a party ticket. 4 "thefts" of MK hours in one week is too many.

Disney has been cutting back on things everywhere. This is another example. Instead of the park being open from 9:00AM until 12:00AM they shut it down at 7:00PM (for people with normal park tickets) and reopen at 7:00PM (for people with special event tickets) and then close at 12:00AM. So Magic Kingdom is open the same number of hours with the same number of staff (roughly) but they get to double the day's profits because they get to charge entrance fees twice.

It's just blind corporate greed and I do not approve!

It's a false equivalency. Disney upped the number of parties during party season long before the budgets needed to be slashed.

Disney desperately needs guests to vacate Magic Kingdom and visit the other parks in the evening. MK is crazy crowded every night, even when it's not party season.