Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are divorcing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-faced_Messiah

Russel Miller wrote this unoffical biography of LRon Hubbard this is what these nutcases did to the author

The Church of Scientology refused all cooperation with Miller and sought to obstruct his research.[11] He wrote in his "author's note" at the start of the book:
[T]he Church did its best to dissuade people who knew Hubbard from speaking to me and constantly threatened litigation. Scientology lawyers in New York and Los Angeles made it clear in frequent letters that they expected me to libel and defame L. Ron Hubbard. When I protested that in thirty years as a journalist and writer I had never been accused of libel, I was apparently investigated and a letter was written to my publishers in New York alleging that my claim was 'simply not accurate'. It was, and is.[16]
Miller had been warned before he began his work that he would face difficulties, but was unprepared for the level of harassment that he endured. While researching the book in the US, he was spied on and was constantly followed. His friends and business associates also received hostile visits from Scientologists and private detectives trying to find "dirt" on him.[11] In October 1987, Miller commented: "There are teams of private detectives in the US and this country questioning my friends and trying to discredit me."[3] Attempts were made to implicate him in the murder of a private detective in South London, for a fire in a Wiltshire aircraft factory and for the murder of American singer Dean Reed.[1][6][17][18] Reed had died the day before Miller had arrived in East Berlin to interview him.[3] Miller's family was approached by private detectives seeking to implicate him in Reed's death, although they would not say who their client was. Another private investigator interviewed Miller's friends and associates, claiming to be acting for Reed's family, though they denied employing him.[3] A former Scientology insider told the Sunday Times that Miller "is kept under constant watch. Every time he goes abroad a two-man mission will be waiting for him at the airport when he arrives. They will monitor where he goes, who he sees, where he stays. This information will be added to his file, which is already more than 100 pages thick."[2]
Senior executives at publishers Michael Joseph and at the Sunday Times, which serialised the book, received threatening phone calls and a visit from private investigator Eugene Ingram, who worked for the Church.[6] Another private investigator, Jarl Grieve Einar Cynewulf, told Sunday Times journalists that he had been offered "large sums of money" to find a link between Miller and the CIA, as the Church reportedly believed that the CIA was driving investigations into its tax affairs in the US. According to Cynewulf, Miller's mail and phones were intercepted and his home was under constant surveillance. The newspaper reported that Cynewulf had chased its reporter and photographer through the streets of Bristol, armed with a pistol which he fired at them, saying, "You'd better go now unless you want to end up in a wooden box. Do you want to be another Hungerford martyr?"[19]
In 1990, nearly three years after the book's first publication, a defector from the Church of Scientology provided the Sunday Times with internal documents detailing the smear campaign against Miller.[2] These records listed several private investigators who had been hired to keep Miller under surveillance and feed false information about him to neighbours and the police. A Scientology executive had flown from Los Angeles to a flat in London where he and a private detective co-ordinated the campaign. Rubbish from the publisher's offices was regularly emptied into the flat's bathtub to be picked through. According to the informant, the investigators used contacts with the British police to try to implicate him in unsolved crimes: "People were brought in from abroad posing as journalists to arrange interviews with Scotland Yard where they would drop innuendoes about Miller. Other investigators were used to smear his name with colleagues, friends and neighbours. They worked hard on the line that he was an undercover British intelligence man." A Church spokesman dismissed these allegations, saying, "anyone giving you this sort of information must be crazy or on drugs."[2]


A video of some of these damaged by this cult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0heJlRGjLg
Jeremy Perkins was a schizophrenic denied medication (like John Travolta's son) he took a kitchen knife and stabbed his mother 77 times
 
I haven't read the articles, just saw the headline go by on CNN. Is that what she's theoretically asking for?

Sole legal custody means the person with custody would make all decisions regarding the child; visitation is worked out separately, that's physical. It'd be unlikely for sole legal custody to be granted in a case with two involved, fit parents.

Legal and physical custody are the two types that come into play. It may have been reported wrong because in, well, a normal relationship, you'd have to have serious reason to ask the court for sole legal custody and in this one, you'd think the contract covers this and that he wouldn't want to look bad.

Mostly people get joint legal without much issue - which means like, both parents have a say in school decisions or medical decisions and stuff like that. Physical custody is where the kid lives. You might have joint legal and physical, where it's all split evenly, or joint legal and one person has primary physical and the other has visitation, etc., etc. it can break down lots of ways.

Sole legal cuts one parent off pretty completely from all decisions, but doesn't mean the other person can't see the child or anything.

According to TMZ (so consider the source!) CA courts prefer granting joint custody but courts in NY are a lot more likely to grant sole custody, especially if the parents aren't getting along. So a big part of the reason she may have filed there is to increase her odds of sole custody.
 
And this:

But here's the problem ... sources connected with the couple tell us ... Tom has been trying to do everything legally within his power to avoid strong ties to New York City because the tax rates are ridiculously high ... and he does not want any appearance that he or Katie have been living there.

But here's the thing ... TMZ has obtained documents which show Tom deeded their NYC apartment to Katie last August and our sources say it was done specifically for tax purposes. Point of fact ... the deed lists a transfer to a trust, but TMZ has confirmed it's a trust established for the benefit of Katie.
 
I know there are lots on here who believe the whole brainwashing thing, which is rather bizarre if you ask me, as Katie seemed genuinely happy in many of the earlier photos we saw. The past year or so, she started to look worn down, tired and rushed though, which were much different than those earlier photos and interviews that they did.

I studied cults in University, and much of the psychological brainwashing that is done, centres on people hiding out and not really being in the public eye. Katie and Tom were very out and open about their manic and rushed relationship, so I'm not sure I really believe any of that. Most of the cases we studied and people we heard speak in our classes, were hidden from their families for years, and didn't get to see their families until they broke out or were deprogrammed. Perhaps Scientology works differently in that you are actually part of your regular life, so as not to draw attention to any major changes which would signal issues to other family members?

I think she fell for him, as she said she had a crush on him for a very long time. I honestly don't believe the whole marriage contract thing - that is so bizarre! Things were very rushed and frenzied right from the get-go, and so in all of that infatuation, the Scientology thing may have been lost on her. Now, years later, when a child is in the mix, it may have hit her straight on. Or, she genuinely fell in love with Tom, as he seemed to whisk her off of her feet. I know lots of people on here think Tom is nuts, but perhaps these two genuinely fell for each other? I find it rather bizarre that so many people on here subscribe to all of these conspiracy theories around Tom Cruise. But I understand that a lot of that is fear of the unknown - none of you know him, nor truly understand what Scientology is about, as all we have is what we have read or heard (although some of the Scientology info that has been put out there by former Scientologists is interesting).

If indeed she had been coerced, then she would just have allowed Suri to join in with Scientology too. Why all of a sudden has she made this drastic move now, and filing for sole custody, does speak to the fact that she doesn't want Tom having any major influence on Suri's life.

Perhaps it's his religion, maybe someone cheated, fell out of love, etc...? Tiger
 

Hey, Tommie, what goes around comes around. You blindsided Nicole. Katie blindsides you.
 
I know there are lots on here who believe the whole brainwashing thing, which is rather bizarre if you ask me, as Katie seemed genuinely happy in many of the earlier photos we saw. The past year or so, she started to look worn down, tired and rushed though, which were much different than those earlier photos and interviews that they did.

I studied cults in University, and much of the psychological brainwashing that is done, centres on people hiding out and not really being in the public eye. Katie and Tom were very out and open about their manic and rushed relationship, so I'm not sure I really believe any of that. Most of the cases we studied and people we heard speak in our classes, were hidden from their families for years, and didn't get to see their families until they broke out or were deprogrammed. Perhaps Scientology works differently in that you are actually part of your regular life, so as not to draw attention to any major changes which would signal issues to other family members?

I think she fell for him, as she said she had a crush on him for a very long time. I honestly don't believe the whole marriage contract thing - that is so bizarre! Things were very rushed and frenzied right from the get-go, and so in all of that infatuation, the Scientology thing may have been lost on her. Now, years later, when a child is in the mix, it may have hit her straight on. Or, she genuinely fell in love with Tom, as he seemed to whisk her off of her feet. I know lots of people on here think Tom is nuts, but perhaps these two genuinely fell for each other? I find it rather bizarre that so many people on here subscribe to all of these conspiracy theories around Tom Cruise. But I understand that a lot of that is fear of the unknown - none of you know him, nor truly understand what Scientology is about, as all we have is what we have read or heard (although some of the Scientology info that has been put out there by former Scientologists is interesting).

If indeed she had been coerced, then she would just have allowed Suri to join in with Scientology too. Why all of a sudden has she made this drastic move now, and filing for sole custody, does speak to the fact that she doesn't want Tom having any major influence on Suri's life.

Perhaps it's his religion, maybe someone cheated, fell out of love, etc...? Tiger

I'm with you. I think Scientology is odd, but to me, it's no weirder than organized religion -- sorry, just JMHO. Everyone he works with speaks really highly of him (his work ethic, etc.). They always talk about how he treats the crew great and talks to them about their personal lives -- never acts like he's above them. I've never understood the disdain for him. I was listening to an Adam Corolla podcast recently and he was talking about this, too. The guy is likeable (to some of us anyway! :laughing:), he has a positive attitude, and if he feels he needs Scientology in his life (much like others feel like they need religion), then why should I care? It's not like Scientologists are going around proselytizing, so it doesn't bother me one bit.

Yes, she did seem unhappy, and I'm sure it's for the best that they're getting a divorce, but I just don't subscribe to the whole anti-Tom Cruise thing -- and yes, I'm quite aware that I'm about the only one!
 
As for Katie having advisors to warn her, if I remember correctly, she was living in NY, had apartment & friends, etc. After their "first date" where he wisked her off to the Scientology Center, no one heard from her for a good period. I don't remember. 16 days, several weeks? Friends couldn't reach her. Family. Her agent. Next thing, all her stuff in NY is moved out of apt & apt let go.....and she's now "with" Tom. She never had a chance to go back to her life or friends to talk with them. He had brainwashed her and moved her all in one fell swoop. After that, there were only a few visits home to family, and only a few for them out to her. He started controlling her immediately!

She was young, niave, and in love with her teenage crush. And I suspect pregnant with Hartman's baby so she took what looked like an awesome offer.

He bought her an engagement ring after their first date. Though I think it was 2 months before they were engaged.

She recieved her scientology chapaerone - constant companion Jessica- pretty early in relationship too. Here is your new best friend. You can no longer speak to your old friends from your old life. This is your new life.

To me that raises flags even more so..whisked away? New best friend? Controlling? All very significant signs that are talked about every day as situations that are unhealthy...if she was young, niave and pg taking an "awsome offer" then her motives were also not legit, true love, whatever you want to call it. Again, no ill-will to her but I am having trouble giving her a *pass* of sorts placing all the blame on brainwahing. I am no fan of Tom Cruise, never have been...but it takes 2 to tango. However, in Katies defense she simply filed for divorce and no wining of woe is me, poor me etc. So hopefully she has what it takes to get thru this. Nicole did, however not unscarred.
 
I know there are lots on here who believe the whole brainwashing thing, which is rather bizarre if you ask me, as Katie seemed genuinely happy in many of the earlier photos we saw. The past year or so, she started to look worn down, tired and rushed though, which were much different than those earlier photos and interviews that they did.

I studied cults in University, and much of the psychological brainwashing that is done, centres on people hiding out and not really being in the public eye. Katie and Tom were very out and open about their manic and rushed relationship, so I'm not sure I really believe any of that. Most of the cases we studied and people we heard speak in our classes, were hidden from their families for years, and didn't get to see their families until they broke out or were deprogrammed. Perhaps Scientology works differently in that you are actually part of your regular life, so as not to draw attention to any major changes which would signal issues to other family members?

I think she fell for him, as she said she had a crush on him for a very long time. I honestly don't believe the whole marriage contract thing - that is so bizarre! Things were very rushed and frenzied right from the get-go, and so in all of that infatuation, the Scientology thing may have been lost on her. Now, years later, when a child is in the mix, it may have hit her straight on. Or, she genuinely fell in love with Tom, as he seemed to whisk her off of her feet. I know lots of people on here think Tom is nuts, but perhaps these two genuinely fell for each other? I find it rather bizarre that so many people on here subscribe to all of these conspiracy theories around Tom Cruise. But I understand that a lot of that is fear of the unknown - none of you know him, nor truly understand what Scientology is about, as all we have is what we have read or heard (although some of the Scientology info that has been put out there by former Scientologists is interesting).

If indeed she had been coerced, then she would just have allowed Suri to join in with Scientology too. Why all of a sudden has she made this drastic move now, and filing for sole custody, does speak to the fact that she doesn't want Tom having any major influence on Suri's life.

Perhaps it's his religion, maybe someone cheated, fell out of love, etc...? Tiger
Nope. First of all, Tom Cruise never really appealed to me, pre-Scientology. Just didn't. :confused3 Secondly, I haven't done a whole lot of reading up on him, or watching (listening) to "news" reports about him. What I have seen of him is the seriously creepy (in my opinion...the only opinion that matters to me as far as what *I* think about him) jumping on the couch, distorted laughing while professing his love, his sticking his nose into other people's mental health issues, his condescending "glib" statement to Matt Lauer, and in effect, anyone who thinks differently than himself, and those disturbing (IMO) videos of him talking about Scientology. So, yes, I've formed my opinions, to the extent that I could care, about him. This is a discussion board, so I'll take part in discussing him. Otherwise, no, Tom Cruise himself isn't of much importance to me.

Of course, *I* haven't studied cults, so I'm not as versed as you in deciding that no brainwashing occurred, but at the very least, I think she was "encouraged" to accept a certain way of life and she went with it for whatever reason...crush, pregnant, whatever. I think it makes perfect sense that someone would accept a certain way of life, and as a child got older, might start rethinking living that lifestyle for their child. Maybe that happened, maybe not. Who knows.

Bottom line...I think Tom's creepy because that's what I've seen...him acting creepy. All this other stuff just sort of "fits".
 
Hollywood marriages bust up all the time. Why does this have to be about Scientology? Maybe they fell madly in love and it just didn't work out. :confused3
 
Hollywood marriages bust up all the time. Why does this have to be about Scientology? Maybe they fell madly in love and it just didn't work out. :confused3

Reports are that she is saying it's because of scientology and being concerned for Suri. So yeah, looks like it's about scientology.
 
Reports are that she is saying it's because of scientology and being concerned for Suri. So yeah, looks like it's about scientology.

Oh ok that's fair enough. The reports I had seen so far said nothing about her motivations so I didn't know.
 
Hollywood marriages bust up all the time. Why does this have to be about Scientology? Maybe they fell madly in love and it just didn't work out. :confused3

Because it IS.




Anyone who doesn't "get" the disdain for Tom Cruise likely hasn't watched that insane Scientology video he did (the one with the faux Mission Impossible music in the background)...the one where he claimed "we" (as in Scientologists) are the authority on mental health and helping others. the one where he claimed that "we" (scientologists) are the most qualified/able to help someone in a crisis...like if he spotted an accident on the side of the road, HE would be the most qualified to help.

Watch and learn. And If you HAVE watched and you still think he's peachy-keen, well you're entitled to your opinion and apparently nothing will change it.
 
Anyone who doesn't "get" the disdain for Tom Cruise likely hasn't watched that insane Scientology video he did (the one with the faux Mission Impossible music in the background)...the one where he claimed "we" (as in Scientologists) are the authority on mental health and helping others. the one where he claimed that "we" (scientologists) are the most qualified/able to help someone in a crisis...like if he spotted an accident on the side of the road, HE would be the most qualified to help.

Yeah my eyes almost rolled out of their sockets when I saw that. Talk about delusions of grandeur!
 
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