Tips: entitlement or earned?

I understand the point between a diner and Applebees, but there should definetly be a difference. Having waitressed and then being in the management staff at Applebees there are much higher standards.
For example it you go to a diner you typically have a long wait until you are helped and rarely see the server. At Applebbes the server must be at a table within 1 min, have drinks out in .. minutes, and it goes through the whole meal even after you leave to the time the table should be cleaned. At such places they have unannounced inspection to monitor that these standards are being met.
If the service is not to you standard it really is great to tell the management staff. Also having been a server the other servers also know who stinks and they try to push those people out as not to effect the expectations of the returning guests.
I personally cannot stand when you hear the staff discussing their tips!
 
:confused3 Where's that? I waitressed and we were all paid $2.13/hr. I think that a tip should reflect service but a 15% tip means that you sucked. 20% is norm and anything above is great!

As the mom and aunt of an army of servers in a variety of different kinds of restaurants....Servers always think 20% is the norm, when the majority of those eating out think it's 15%. 15% goes to those who provide average service. If you're a server getting 20% on a regular basis, you're doing a good job. If you're doing a great job, then maybe you can expect more than that.
 
Earned.


If the server thinks they deserve a tip automatically because of how their wages are structured, then maybe they should be in another job that isn't structured that way.


Hey, I'm an easy and heavy tipper, but I reserve the right to not tip if I get bad service.
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I agree.. Even with the current structure, I know of at least two people who waited tables and after following the structured wage system always came home with a minimum of two hundred dollars each night (which they considered a "bad" night) - and routinely worked 4 to 5 nights a week (sometimes more to fill in).. They worked in excellent (popular) restaurants - gave excellent service - and the money they brought home each night was evidence of the service they gave..
 
I too have worked as a server. I do not know of any restaurant where I live that automatically adds a tip unless the party is 6 or more and then generally it is posted somewhere. This is to insure the server makes adequate tips. It takes more time to wait on larger parties and often you only get 1 or 2 more tables when you get a large party. Also sometimes what happens is 1. The sweet old gentleman at the end of the table pays and hands you $2.00 and tells you you did a good job (he honestly thinks $ 2.00 is a fine tip) or 2. Everyone is splitting the bill and not every one kicks in for the tip. I too like to determine the tip I leave but I also factor in how busy the place is, and other things the server has no control over. Sorry, but I think when you have a long list of demands that the server MUST fulfill it is like looking for a reason not to tip well, or at all.
 

i have never been a waitress,etc. i do think it is very hard work though. we always like to tip well, cause some of our fav. restaurants we know the same college kids that work there. i have to admit that i am not a coffee drinker--but i like the other drinks at like dunkin donuts. but let me say..........i despise the TIP CUPS......im sorry but i think they are ridiculous. i am so sick of going into certain places and they ALL have tip cups. give me a break. we all work hard for our money. where does it end. do you tip cashiers at the stores. they all work hard. you dont see tip jars in kohls,target,super markets,etc. where does it end??? and i think its pretty rude for someone to say that a 15 per cent tip stinks!!! are you kidding me. maybe they are out for a special dinner and thats all they have. im sorry but , they have a choice to get another job if they feel they are not paid enough. thats a choice we all have. we all have things to pay for in live. we just cant keep paying more and more because they make less and less. the restaurants should be paying more to the stafff, thats what it all comes down to.
 
When I dine out, I have certain expectations of the server. If the server meets these expectations, he or she will get the customary 15% tip. Exceed them, and the tip will exceed 15%. Fall short of them, and the tip begins to erode like a Presidential approval rating.

"WillCAD's Four Simple Rules for Serving Me and Getting A Good Tip:"

1. Don't let me see the bottom of my glass!
Bringing new sodas is the easiest part of the job, and I don't go through a glass of soda that quickly. If my glass goes empty and stays that way for more than a few minutes, the tip begins to erode quickly.

2. LOOK AT ME!
Every five minutes or so, as you pass by my table, just look over at me so I can get your attention if I need something. I don't expect you to ask me "Everything okay can I get you anything how's your food are you having a good time didja see Survivor the other night?" every five minutes, but a simple glance in my direction periodically would enable me to raise my soda glass to motion for a refill, or make a signing motion to ask for the check, or wave you over if I have a question.

3. Be polite and just a little cheerful.
You don't have to kiss my butt or pretend to be my best friend, and you don't have to act like you won the lottery to have me as your customer - just don't act like your dog died when you take my order. And impatient, surly, and arguementative is no way to go though life, son. Well, it is for me, but not when I'm dealing with a client/customer/general public.

4. Make it right.
If you make a minor mistake, or the kitchen screws up my food, I don't expect you to act like you just shot Old Yeller. Forget the sackcloth and ashes routine, just say, "I'm sorry, I'll take care of that" and take care of that. Actions speak way louder than words. Ignoring it or getting grumpy when I point out something wrong is the fastest way to get a lousy tip from me - or none at all.

And most importantly, have a nice day!

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When I dine out, I have certain expectations of the server. But I have certain expectations that I put on myself, as well, and everybody else at my table.

"WillCAD's Four Simple Rules for Being a Good Restaurant Patron:"

1. Keep it clean!
Somebody has to clean up any mess you make after you leave, and they don't get paid enough to deal with your garbage. So unless your server is Mike Rowe, have a little consideration, ya slob, and don't leave piles of chicken bones or pudles of soup, soda, or pancake syrup all over the table.

2. Keep it simple!
Servers aren't telepathic - they don't know what you WANT, they only know what you SAY. So do everybody a favor and actually read your menu and decide what you want to order before the server asks you - and then convey your order in short, simple, coherent sentences. They ain't Creskin; if they give you the wrong thing because you babbled your order in incomprehensible gibberish, it's YOUR fault, not theirs.

3. Treat them with respect!
The lowest, most despicable person on Earth is the person who thinks that a server, bartender, bellhop, painter, ditch-digger, toilet scrubber, or other person in a manual-labor job is somehow "beneath" notice and not worthy of respect. I SPIT on all those who would treat a service person like a second-class citizen! Ptooey!

4. Reward them according to their merits.
Hey, if that server did their job as they were supposed to do it, then give them a proper tip! They bust their butts to give you a nice, enjoyable, pleasant meal, and they deserve comensurate compensation for their work. If they did an OUTSTANDING job, don't just leave a few bucks on the table, TELL them that they did an outstanding job. After all, everybody can use a compliment now and then, right? And if they did a REALLY OUTSTANDING job, tell the manager - a few compliments can help out on the server's yearly reviews and salary evaluations! Wouldn't you like to get a nice raise if you did a great job?

4A. If it ain't their fault, don't blame them!
If the kitchen is a shambles, or it took a long time to get seated, or the table next to you was loud and obnoxious all night, don't use that flimsy excuse to leave a crappy tip - none of that is the server's fault. Hold them responsible only for their own actions, just as you should be held responsible only for your own.

And most importantly, have a nice day!

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I have waited tables and most people in my family have, too. I would never stiff someone. If I am getting poor service, I would communicate my disappointment to the server and then management. Sometimes servers get buried by something in the kitchen or being overseated, etc., there are ways to turn around a poor dining experience, while you are dining. :flower3: There really is no reason to ever stiff a server, imo.

Communicating dissatisfaction to a server is a crapshoot; many servers will take it with aplomb, apologize, and try really hard to do a better job.

But some would resent being told by some jerk customer that they are doing a bad job. How DARE they! I'm going to avoid their table for the rest of their meal; they're going to tip badly anyway, so who cares?

Personally, I communicate my dissatisfaction by tipping less for poor service. Tipping less keeps it between you and the server; complaining to the manager puts a blight on someone's record, so that if they really are just having a bad night, they'll get the idea after a few bad tips - but one bad night, with several complaints, can lead to official reprimands on their employment record or even termination.

Waiting is hard work.
It may not look like it to the patron sitting there, but it really is.
Unless you have been a waiter you probably don't understand.

I don't like the way the restaurant industry is set up, but when I walk into a restaurant I feel obligated to tip the server.
Tips are part of their pay since without tips they make about $2.00 an hour.

Would you work for $2.00 an hour?

Not tipping the server is stealing.

You are sitting at their table consuming their time and keeping them from having a paying customer.

If the service is so bad that you feel justified in withholding a 15% tip, then you should have talked to the manager before the meal was over.

Consider the waiter's tip part of the cost of a meal before you go into a restaurant. If you don't want to tip, then get takeout or counter service or eat at home.

Having a difficult job is no excuse for doing your job poorly. ALL waiters have a difficult job, but some of them do it with consumate skill and a positive attitude, while others get grumpy and apathetic, then complain about how thier tips are not sufficient to pay their bills. Well, too bad; if you do your job so poorly that you can't make a living at it, maybe you're in the wrong business.

And except in those cases where it's added to the bill automatically by management, a tip is not mandatory - it's not required by law or contract, therefore witholding it is not stealing, not a crime, and not wrong - as long as there is a good reason for witholding it, like poor service.
 
minimum wage laws by state. http://www.paywizard.org/main/Minimumwageandovertime/MinimumWageTIPRecevers

Alaska-7.15
California- 8.00
Colorado- 4.00
Connecticut- 5.41
Hawaii- 7.00
Illinois- 4.65
Iowa- 4.35
Minnesota- 5.15 or 6.15 depending on size of employer
Nevada- 5.85 or 6.85
North Dakota- 4.39
Oregon- 7.95
Washington- 8.07
Those are some pretty big numbers and I still have to tip beyond that? I get it when someone is making 2 or 3 dollars. But seriously? $8/hour and you want a tip too?
 
minimum wage laws by state. http://www.paywizard.org/main/Minimumwageandovertime/MinimumWageTIPRecevers

Alaska-7.15
California- 8.00
Colorado- 4.00
Connecticut- 5.41
Hawaii- 7.00
Illinois- 4.65
Iowa- 4.35
Minnesota- 5.15 or 6.15 depending on size of employer
Nevada- 5.85 or 6.85
North Dakota- 4.39
Oregon- 7.95
Washington- 8.07
Those are some pretty big numbers and I still have to tip beyond that? I get it when someone is making 2 or 3 dollars. But seriously? $8/hour and you want a tip too?

I hope someone comes in and chimes in, but I think that in waitstaff jobs, the minimum wage does not apply, and that it is calculated taking into account a tip.

Still, even knowing that, I won't tip for bad service.
 
Deffinentaly EARNED!!! If you are eating at dennys you expect to pay less than a high dollar place. If you go to a high dollar place you pay more for your dinner as well as the tip. I guess that is why you don't see the Dennys waitreses working at the high dollar places. But you should tip what you feel is deserved!
 
I understand the point between a diner and Applebees, but there should definetly be a difference. Having waitressed and then being in the management staff at Applebees there are much higher standards.For example it you go to a diner you typically have a long wait until you are helped and rarely see the server. At Applebbes the server must be at a table within 1 min, have drinks out in .. minutes, and it goes through the whole meal even after you leave to the time the table should be cleaned. At such places they have unannounced inspection to monitor that these standards are being met.
The way you describe what to expect from a diner, is usually the service I have gotten from Applebee's. Honestly, I have been to Applebee's about a dozen times, 4 different restaurants in 2 different states. Out of those dozen times, I have had mediocre service at best. I can remember 4 times where my service was just plain lousy. I'm now asking myself why I keep going back. For the convenience mainly. Anyway, I'm not sure what diners you have eaten at, but all the ones in my neighborhood have the best service, highest quality and best tasting food and the best prices. They trump Applebee's anyday. Sorry.
 
Because servers are REQUIRED to tip out based on their sales. Not their tips. So you don't leave a tip and that server has to take a $1, $2, $3 or more from their pocket and give it to a busser/bartender/dishwasher. Real nice there huh? It was 3% of sales at the restaurant that DH just worked at and that is pretty standard. So if you leave them 15%...they are only seeing 12% and that's if their other tables left them enough in tips.

Yeah, but.... There is an important reason why some places require servers to tip out based on their sales.

It eliminates the problem of "less than honest" servers who under report the amount of tips they made to their coworkers and pocket the difference without tipping out on the money they pocket. Every restaurant has at least one cheater who screws his coworkers and pockets money when just required to tip out based on total tips instead of sales.
 
minimum wage laws by state. http://www.paywizard.org/main/Minimumwageandovertime/MinimumWageTIPRecevers

Alaska-7.15
California- 8.00
Colorado- 4.00
Connecticut- 5.41
Hawaii- 7.00
Illinois- 4.65
Iowa- 4.35
Minnesota- 5.15 or 6.15 depending on size of employer
Nevada- 5.85 or 6.85
North Dakota- 4.39
Oregon- 7.95
Washington- 8.07
Those are some pretty big numbers and I still have to tip beyond that? I get it when someone is making 2 or 3 dollars. But seriously? $8/hour and you want a tip too?


Minimum wage for a tipped employee is under $3.00. Tips are supposed to bridge the gap between their minimum wage and the state's minimum wage. So a server may make $2.35 per hour and their tips for that hour should bump them up to the normal minimum wage.
 
Honestly I worked as a server for over 9 years and 6 of those I trained servers. If you are not getting good tips usually it is because you are just not cut out to be a server. Generally people tip well for good service. Honestly if my trainees told me that they weren't making 15% of their checks I would ask them to make sure that they are keeping drinks filled, tables cleared, and delivering the food hot. Those are the top three complaints of customers who don't tip.
 
Along those same lines...when I stop in at our local Little Ceasar's, there is a "tip" line at the bottom of the credit card slip. I am finding this more and more - take out restaurants and such - that have this at the bottom. :confused3 Are we supposed to leave a tip all the time for everyone in the food industry?

It is the software for the credit card machine that does that. I think that it will be added to any and all restaurant slips as software gets updated by the credit card processing centers. They have no way to differentiate from restaurant to restaurant if they should put the tip line on the slip or not, so they just do it to any restaurant.

That being said, tipping at your local Little Ceasar's would be totally up to you. If they did nothing "extra" for take out, then probably not. If they did, maybe a "little" something to thank the person.

I have tipped at my local Dunkin Donuts in the tip jar. Sometimes I have left $5, on a $2 to go coffee & donut. Sometimes just $1, but I always leave something there. I get my coffee with a little ice in it, so I can drink it immediately. So for that "extra", I tip. And they recognize me when I come in and are getting my coffee ready before I order. I also get donuts for church sometimes. I get "kid friendly" flavors, so I tip for that.

Tipping at the local Chinese for take out, I tip. It is family owned, and they treat me very well. I order double noodles in my kid's chicken noodle soup. She knows what I order, and what I like. She usually gives me hot tea that I didn't order. One time, I didn't want any hot tea and she gave me a container of tea to brew at home.:coffee:

Tipping at one local pizza place, I do. Tipping at another, I don't. Depending on the situation and the service I receive.
 
Very interesting thread. I have never been in the restaurant business so I really don't have a clue. I tip 20% -25%, so when we have a larger group we always tip more even though they already have added a certain percentage on the bill.

I would have never even thought about tipping on To-Go orders, thankfully I have never done this and will know better in the future if I ever decide to go that way thanks to this thread. I had no idea what work went in to To-Go orders and who did what.
 
I've always been pretty passionate about this issue. As a former server, yes - we relied on tips as part of our income. It's been years since I did that, but at the time I think I was making about $2.15 and hour (maybe about 15 years ago). I was greatly appreciative of any tip I recieved, and the thought of a large tip at the end of a customer's meal just encouraged me to provide the best possible service I could. I thought of it as an instant bonus for a job well-done.

The only time I would ever get upset about someone not leaving a tip (or shorting me) is when I honestly thought I had provided the best service I could. For them to leave with no explanation was very upsetting, but I would accept it and move on to the next table. I would never just expect every customer I waited on to leave me at least 15% no matter what, and I don't think they should expect it now.

IMHO, it seems a little too confident that the assume you will leave that much already. And on top of that, there's usually still a line to leave an additional amount - assuming that what they already charged you wasn't enough.

Tipping has gotten out of hand. I hate going into a Subway and seeing a tip jar at the end of the counter - they never made tips before - why start now?
 
I hope someone comes in and chimes in, but I think that in waitstaff jobs, the minimum wage does not apply, and that it is calculated taking into account a tip.

Still, even knowing that, I won't tip for bad service.

I have to agree. I waitressed the 4 years I put myself thru college, I didnt recieve minimum wage. Its hard work, but if you are good you can make decent money.
 
i never tip less than 25% and usually tip well over 30%. i just cant imagine going into a restaurant and leaving less than 15% and shame on anyone who does.
if i had a problem at a restaurant i certainly wouldnt reflect it in my tip i would speak to a manager.
i have only once in many many trips to various restaurants come across a server who just didnt care. it doesnt happen as much as people want to believe it does. i just love the fact that so many people walk into a restaurant thinking"well if i get bad service the server isnt getting anything" well, geesh give the server a break and stop looking for things to go wrong. many times its not the servers fault. they dont control how they are seated and how many tables they have at one time. they dont cook the food. those are probably the 2 biggest factors in how quick the service is, and they have no control over either of them.

i honestly think people just dont want to tip. so instead they look for crazy reasons not to. i remember being at an olive garden and a couple was sat behind us. they were brought their drinks and order was taken, server walked away. i heard the guy say almost immediately after she left "well i just fininshed my drink, wheres my refill, guess she'll loose a dollar for every minute i wait". are you kidding! i know most people arent that extreme, but i also think that many, too many, have the same sad attitude.
 
i never tip less than 25% and usually tip well over 30%. i just cant imagine going into a restaurant and leaving less than 15% and shame on anyone who does.
if i had a problem at a restaurant i certainly wouldnt reflect it in my tip i would speak to a manager.

Let me describe a dining experience I once had for you....

We went to a popular sit-down restaurant for lunch at 3PM, an off time and the place was not busy. We sat there for 15 mintues before our server came over to take our drink order. We told her that we had been sitting there for a while and were ready to order, and she did apologize and then rushed off before getting our food order.

Another 5-7 mintes goes by, she finally returns to take our order - but without her pad. When we ordered, we reminder her that we were ready to place our food order when she got our drinks and her excuse was that she had a late night the night before and her head wasn't screwed on right. She aplogized once again.

Soup and salad came with our meal, yet about 15 mintues later - we had nothing. We heard a lot of laughter coming from the kitchen area (we were sitting fairly close). DH got up to go to the restroom and saw our server flirting with 2 males that worked there. He said right away when he made eye contact with her, he could hear her say "S$$T" and then saw her rushing to do something. Low and behold, our soup and salad came out right after that.

By now, there was a table nearby that had been seated, ordered, and was about half way finished with their meal and we were now sitting there with empty soup bowls, empty glasses waiting for our entrees. It was almost 4PM now. (I know this because we were trying to see a movie across the street at 4:25). DH got up to ask for the manager, only to find out he was one of the men our server was flirting with. Would you believe the "manager" confessed to DH that he had "hooked up" with our server the night before??? He apologized and said our food would be right out. DH and I had decided to see a later movie and we were curious just how long this was going to take.

Another 10 mintues....our server arrives to tell us that our order was never put in the system, and needed to know what we wanted again. WHAT???? By now, the other table we were watching was leaving, and a few more table that were seated after us were being served their entrees. We told her how upset we were and that we were missing our movie. She aplogized and said she would go see what she could do.

The manager comes to our table about 5 minutes later, and apologizes for the server and explained that things were a little weird between the two of them after what happened between them and ACTUALLY said, "I hope you don't take this out on her tip."

It's now a little after 4:30, and we FINALLY get our entrees, only DH's is wrong, and he's concerned about sending it back. The server comes by to check on us and FINALLY refills our drinks (can you believe it???). I told her that DH's entree was not correct, and she starts to pick it up and DH tells her that it's fine - he'll eat it as is. She jokingly says, "Well, it's not like I'm going to spit in it or anything - how do you know I didnt spit in it already?" We got up right then and walked out. We did not pay, we did not leave a tip.

Now you're saying "shame on me" for not tipping her?

We have never stepped foot in that place again, and I have told everyone I know not to go there. We wrote to the corporate office, and all they did was send us a $25 gift card for our trouble, which I then put on Ebay along with my story.
 
Tipping has gotten out of hand. I hate going into a Subway and seeing a tip jar at the end of the counter - they never made tips before - why start now?

This is interesting to me. I worked at Subway back in college (um, okay, that was 18 years ago :rolleyes1 ) and we were told we were NOT to accept tips, it was against corporate policy. I remember arguing with one guy who really wanted me to have $5. I was a student, living on minimum wage, and it was really hard to turn that money down, it would have paid for a crappy frozen pizza AND a bag of tater tots.....:lmao:
 


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