Tipping Tipping Tipping....the dreaded tipping thread. LOL ?????? Please

[Guzzi]

I have always considered myself a good tipper as is my wife. I have a Disney specific problem though, when we go to the world, we fly into Orlando, MCO and utilized Magic Express to get from the hotel to the world. We have always tipped the bus driver. my problem is I have yet to see the individual who has brought our bags to our room. Its easy to tip the guy or gal on the return trip, but who do I tip on the way in when I dont see them. How do you handle this

 

[brochad1611]

I never understood the "if you don't like it find another career" argument. If service providers are not paid a livable wage and we all go onto some other career who will serve your dinner, carry your luggage, cut your hair, drive your taxi, etc. Remember you "have to depend on other people" to provide these services for you. So is it not fair that we expect an appropiate tip from you in return to pay our bills. If it helps you to think of the tip as a charge for the service, just like a mechanic, than that's fine. Think of it as our charge. Think of us as independant contractors if you must. Most service workers don't even make minimum wage because the employment laws state that if it is resonably "expected" that the employee will be compensated the majority of their pay from tips then a company does not have to pay them the minimum wage. So the paycheck we get doesn't really cover anything. Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education. Now having said that I make a resonable living wage where I work thanks to the generosity of most of our guest. No, I don't make 83k a year because the truth is there are some people who stiff us or who haven't updated their tipping schedule for the last 15 years. Like all of you we deal with the increased gas prices, astronomical housing prices, and general inflation. $1 per bag may have been the norm back when, but trust me it is not any longer. Inflation hits EVERY area of the economy including the service sector. My original post was meant to educate not to incite. The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

Hi,
I used to work at a lumber yard. I loaded your lumber, sheetrock, shingles (much heavier than a blasted suitcase) onto your truck. You never tipped me a single dime. Later, you came to the grocery store where I worked. I took your bags to your car. You didn't tip me then either. Why are you such a cheapskate. I carried stuff for you. You had 12 bags of groceries....that means you owe me 24 dollars...no wait....one was heavy....make it 29 dollars. For your home improvment products....you owe me 360 dollars. If you don't like it, then....um....well......read your previous post and you will know the consequences.

 

[brochad1611]

I never understood the "if you don't like it find another career" argument. If service providers are not paid a livable wage and we all go onto some other career who will serve your dinner, carry your luggage, cut your hair, drive your taxi, etc. Remember you "have to depend on other people" to provide these services for you. So is it not fair that we expect an appropiate tip from you in return to pay our bills. If it helps you to think of the tip as a charge for the service, just like a mechanic, than that's fine. Think of it as our charge. Think of us as independant contractors if you must. Most service workers don't even make minimum wage because the employment laws state that if it is resonably "expected" that the employee will be compensated the majority of their pay from tips then a company does not have to pay them the minimum wage. So the paycheck we get doesn't really cover anything. Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education. Now having said that I make a resonable living wage where I work thanks to the generosity of most of our guest. No, I don't make 83k a year because the truth is there are some people who stiff us or who haven't updated their tipping schedule for the last 15 years. Like all of you we deal with the increased gas prices, astronomical housing prices, and general inflation. $1 per bag may have been the norm back when, but trust me it is not any longer. Inflation hits EVERY area of the economy including the service sector. My original post was meant to educate not to incite. The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

Hi,
I used to work at a lumber yard. I loaded your lumber, sheetrock, shingles (much heavier than a blasted suitcase) onto your truck. You never tipped me a single dime. Later, you came to the grocery store where I worked. I took your bags to your car. You didn't tip me then either. Why are you such a cheapskate. I carried stuff for you. You had 12 bags of groceries....that means you owe me 24 dollars...no wait....one was heavy....make it 29 dollars. For your home improvment products....you owe me 360 dollars. If you don't like it, then....um....well......read your previous post and you will know the consequences.

 

[finnster77]

Hi,
I used to work at a lumber yard. I loaded your lumber, sheetrock, shingles (much heavier than a blasted suitcase) onto your truck. You never tipped me a single dime. Later, you came to the grocery store where I worked. I took your bags to your car. You didn't tip me then either. Why are you such a cheapskate. I carried stuff for you. You had 12 bags of groceries....that means you owe me 24 dollars...no wait....one was heavy....make it 29 dollars. For your home improvment products....you owe me 360 dollars. If you don't like it, then....um....well......read your previous post and you will know the consequences.

Love it!

 

[Snowy-girls]

Hi Everyone,
I understand all the tipping scenario,who gets what and how much.But when i go to a bar and the bar-tender gets my drink-how much do i tip them?If i sit at the bar,do i tip everytime they serve me? or do i tip them at the end when i'm ready to leave?.This has always confused me.Thanks to all.x.

 

[BigKids]

Wow! I never knew there was a college degree program for Bellhops "Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education". Interesting career choice. On topic, seems to me that $2 / bag should be plenty. But what do I know? I prefer to carry / roll my own. I travel too much to worry about paying someone to carry my bags to my room.

 

[DWDude]

I'm pretty sure that's a "BS" degree plan.

 

[PortieOwner]

My brother-in-law was a manager at a 5-star hotel, and he tells us that bell services and housekeeping at any decent hotel pool the tips. Thus I would tend to give a larger tip when my luggage is delivered, but not on both ends of the trip (same with valets). Also the doorman at the hotel gets a 1-time tip (anywhere from $5-20 depending upon how much we used his services) when we leave. Same for housekeeping, at WDW I figure $5/day minimum, but I may (or may not) leave it all on the last day.

 

[Stinky_Pete]

Hi Everyone,
I understand all the tipping scenario,who gets what and how much.But when i go to a bar and the bar-tender gets my drink-how much do i tip them?If i sit at the bar,do i tip everytime they serve me? or do i tip them at the end when i'm ready to leave?.This has always confused me.Thanks to all.x.

You might want to check the links on the 2nd page of this thread for some guidance.

Here's what I do - $1 per drink if I am paying for each drink separately. I would probably go to $1.50 if I was asking for some fru-fru drink involving blenders and such as that is more effort than my usual vodka and 7-up. If I am running a tab I would pay at the end.

Different people will tip differently...

 

[edk35]

I think it is sooooooooooooooooooooooo that I started this thread and have since posted again a couple of times about what I originally posted......and that topic has completely gone of the map. My replies have completely been ignored because this thread has turned into a flaming debate thread.

 

[PortieOwner]

Wow! I never knew there was a college degree program for Bellhops "Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education". Interesting career choice. On topic, seems to me that $2 / bag should be plenty. But what do I know? I prefer to carry / roll my own. I travel too much to worry about paying someone to carry my bags to my room.

I had a friend who was a doorman at a 4-star hotel. He had a BA and two Master's degrees. Doorman (with tips) paid at least twice what a teaching job would, but he eventually left the doorman business and became a teacher.

 

[Snowy-girls]

You might want to check the links on the 2nd page of this thread for some guidance.

Here's what I do - $1 per drink if I am paying for each drink separately. I would probably go to $1.50 if I was asking for some fru-fru drink involving blenders and such as that is more effort than my usual vodka and 7-up. If I am running a tab I would pay at the end.

Different people will tip differently...

Cheers Stinky Pete .I have previously done $1 per drink,but did'nt know if things had changed.x.

 

[Stinky_Pete]

Cheers Stinky Pete .I have previously done $1 per drink,but did'nt know if things had changed.x.

I'm sure someone will tell you that things have changed and that now you should leave $3 per drink and $5 if a blender is involved...

 

[Snowy-girls]

I'm sure someone will tell you that things have changed and that now you should leave $3 per drink and $5 if a blender is involved...

 

[Robert P]

Good one Pete!

Better add an extra $3 on top of the $5. Those blender drinks are especially heavy....

 

[Island Mouse]

I had a friend who was a doorman at a 4-star hotel. He had a BA and two Master's degrees. Doorman (with tips) paid at least twice what a teaching job would, but he eventually left the doorman business and became a teacher.

This is so true. A lot of jobs require a college degree to even be considered for them, but the starting pay is so much less than many service jobs. I mean a kid working as a server in a restaurant while he is in college is realistically earning more per month than what his starting salary will be when he graduates next year.

Oh, and regarding tipping: Tips are optional. Many people depend on tips to make a living, but that is not the fault of the customer. Either ask for a higher wage or find a job that pays better. Or get really good at what you do, provide amazing service and watch your tips increase.
Tips should never be required because that leads to complacency and sub-par service. And a minimum tip is NOTHING. As in "the service you provided was so horrible, you should leave ME a tip for having to put up with you, but instead I'll just leave you NOTHING."

 

[fey_spirit]

Am I the only one who thinks there is something seriously wrong when someone who handels our luggage, or our food makes more then those who are helping to educate the future of this country?

And spare me the "but look what they have to put up with" routine - I could curl your hair with some of the subbing stories my wife has come home with.

I had a friend who was a doorman at a 4-star hotel. He had a BA and two Master's degrees. Doorman (with tips) paid at least twice what a teaching job would, but he eventually left the doorman business and became a teacher.

 

[mom2my3kids]

Am I the only one who thinks there is something seriously wrong when someone who handles our luggage, or our food makes more then those who are helping to educate the future of this country?

And spare me the "but look what they have to put up with" routine - I could curl your hair with some of the subbing stories my wife has come home with.

I don't know how much bellmen make? Do they make below minimum wage like servers? I personally feel 1-2 a bag would be sufficient, just like my family their is 5 of us. We will have 5 large suitcases, I would think 10.00 would be good. The carry on we can carry ourselves, now as for servers I am one so I won't even go there but to say if you want to quit your day job and be a server be my guest..

 

[grammy58]

Magical express??? Now I am really confused and feeling a little cheap. I use ME. My bags are left in the room. I am in the park. How can I tip them. Never gave it a thot till now. I always tip when they collect our luggage. Anyone got a solution .

 

[fey_spirit]

Why is the full post I got in my E Mail not what's on the board?


I never said working in any industry in public service wasn't difficult. All public service jobs are difficult - and yet, they aren't tipped. Heck (according to a friend who works there) Sears doesn't even pay a salary - it's all on commission... but they don't get to hold their hands out to the public.

A lot of jobs are rough, disgusting and physically demanding - and they barely scrape by on minimum wage - and yet they don't get tipped.

Meanwhile I still think it's a sad state of affairs when someone who brings me my steak, or carries my bags makes the same amount of money as the person responsible for helping to shape the face of future generations... not to mention makes more then those who are willing to rush into buringing buildings to save our lives, or stand between us and some lunatic with a gun. Somehow the difference in the value to society between those in what tends to be the "tipped" professions, and those in the second category leaves me scratching my head when I realize the first actually makes more money.

I don't know how much bellmen make? Do they make below minimum wage like servers? I personally feel 1-2 a bag would be sufficient, just like my family their is 5 of us. We will have 5 large suitcases, I would think 10.00 would be good. The carry on we can carry ourselves, now as for servers I am one so I won't even go there but to say if you want to quit your day job and be a server be my guest..