THV Point guarantee?

[palaemon]

Is there a guarantee that the point values for the THV will stay equivalent to the 2BR?

I know that there is nothing guaranteeing the point values will stay, because I know they will fluctuate and some will go up and others will go down.

So, I know that, but is it stated that the THVs will always be the same point value as the 2BR?

TIA

Dave

 

[tjkraz]

So, I know that, but is it stated that the THVs will always be the same point value as the 2BR?

Nope.

 

[MrShiny]

They could be made different at any time, but to do that they would have to make a corresponding adjustment in some other units.

The total of all points for all nights for all rooms in a given year must always be the same.

 

[palaemon]

Thanks for the quick replies!

I keep seeing negative posts about SSR. When we did the tour, I was blown away by the decor and the "resort-like" quality, as opposed to the "hotel-like" quality.

I guess I'm used to going to a main building and then to my building.

I'm guessing the THVs are crazy-popular? It would be perfect for a GG, but if we wanted to go in May, I guess we'd have to wait until 2012.

 

[JimMIA]

Is there a guarantee that the point values for the THV will stay equivalent to the 2BR?

I'm not so sure. I think the answer lies in the POS for THV.

If THV is just another unit as part of SSR, then I'd say no, there is no guarantee.

However, if it is a separate entity - self-contained and distinct from the rest of SSR by the POS - I'd say they can change from day to day, season to season, but not much change overall.

OTOH...I think there is little realistic possibility they could pass THV villas off as full three-bedrooms.

 

[hakepb]

SSR is a very nice resort, and I think it keeps looking better as the landscaping matures.
It is not quite prototypical Disney, and that throws some people off, different in a good way.

THVs appear to be very popular and seem to be difficult to get, so ownership is needed for that 11 month booking window.

 

[rlovew]

The THV are part of SSR and don't have their own POS- so their points can be balanced out with all the other rooms at SSR.

 

[LIFERBABE]

THV and SSR are awesome!!

We spent 12 nights in a THV last Christmas and we had family coming and going the entire time. It was great to have the space and 2 bedroom points instead of GV points over Magic Season was a total bargain!

 

[Brian Noble]

I keep seeing negative posts about SSR. When we did the tour, I was blown away by the decor and the "resort-like" quality, as opposed to the "hotel-like" quality.

Don't worry about what other people think. Worry about what you want. So far I've stayed at OKW and VWL. We enjoyed our stay at VWL but really missed parking right outside our door and the extra privacy. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors.

 

[JWG]

The only way they can rebalance points is to add/remove elsewhere. So, I suppose the could bring the 3 BR Villas down to put the THV up?

As part of SSR, if the THV points go up, something else has to come down to keep total points the same.

 

[FindTheMickeys]

I agree. I absolutely LOVE my SSR!! I feel like I am at a resort, not staying in a hotel. I have always liked a more rustic vacation so with SSR I get that feeling and get to enjoy the World at the same time

 

[Dean]

They could increase THV and decrease something else (3 BR or other 2 BR) and/or they could increase one season and decrease another. As long as you're looking at an entire week, the risk is minimal. I'd consider a cushion of points (a few extra) for many situations, esp if looking at less than a full week or lower seasons.

 

[Candy Orlando]

Palaemon, many people agree with you, SSR is a very elegant resort. The golf course and lake views are beautiful. The spa gets rave reviews. The Turf Club has the best prime rib on Disney property. Walt Disney would be very proud of SSR because he was a great polo player and loved horses.

 

[Dean]

I keep seeing negative posts about SSR. When we did the tour, I was blown away by the decor and the "resort-like" quality, as opposed to the "hotel-like" quality.

I don't thinks there are that many posts that are truly negative to SSR but rather preferences for other options. over SSR. There are also 2 areas where SSR is discussed. These are the attributes of the resort itself and the affect that SSR points have and will have on the DVC system. They are related only as to the % of members that prefer a given resort over another compared to the % of points at a given resort. Being honest about the negative effects that the SSR points have had on the system, is clearly not a negative post on the resort itself.

 

[palaemon]

I don't thinks there are that many posts that are truly negative to SSR but rather preferences for other options. over SSR. There are also 2 areas where SSR is discussed. These are the attributes of the resort itself and the affect that SSR points have and will have on the DVC system. They are related only as to the % of members that prefer a given resort over another compared to the % of points at a given resort. Being honest about the negative effects that the SSR points have had on the system, is clearly not a negative post on the resort itself.

What are the "negative effects" that SSR has had on the system? Why is that?

 

[Brian Noble]

It is widely believed (with some evidence) that more SSR owners want to "stay out" than non-SSR owners want to "stay in". This increases the 7-month pressure on other resorts.

 

[tjkraz]

As stated, DVC could certainly increase costs for the Treehouses to some value higher than a Two Bedroom villa. There are over 800 2B villas in the resort vs. just 60 treehouses so it would only take a very small reduction in the cost of other units to raise the prices of the Treehouses. For instance, lowering the cost of all 2Bs by one point per night on just Friday and Saturday would enable them to increase the Treehouse cost by 3-4 points every night or 26+ points per week.

Demand suggests that the Treehouses should be priced higher. It's more a question of whether DVC is interested in making such a move. There are at least two other similar situations where higher demand units have the same cost as those with a lower demand. Those cases are the BoardWalk View rooms at BWV which cost the same as Pool/Garden view, and the two booking categories at OKW. Both have been around for longer than the Treehouses, yet no point differential has been introduced. Those options seem to serve more as an additional Home resort booking advantage for owners. But that would seem to be a decision made for philosophical reasons rather than practical ones. Demand is certainly higher for the BW View, near-Hospitality House at OKW and the Treehouses.

The current like-pricing could remain in place under contracts expire or DVC could change it as early as 2012.

 

[DenLo]

As stated, DVC could certainly increase costs for the Treehouses to some value higher than a Two Bedroom villa. There are over 800 2B villas in the resort vs. just 60 treehouses so it would only take a very small reduction in the cost of other units to raise the prices of the Treehouses. For instance, lowering the cost of all 2Bs by one point per night on just Friday and Saturday would enable them to increase the Treehouse cost by 3-4 points every night or 26+ points per week.

Demand suggests that the Treehouses should be priced higher. It's more a question of whether DVC is interested in making such a move. There are at least two other similar situations where higher demand units have the same cost as those with a lower demand. Those cases are the BoardWalk View rooms at BWV which cost the same as Pool/Garden view, and the two booking categories at OKW. Both have been around for longer than the Treehouses, yet no point differential has been introduced. Those options seem to serve more as an additional Home resort booking advantage for owners. But that would seem to be a decision made for philosophical reasons rather than practical ones. Demand is certainly higher for the BW View, near-Hospitality House at OKW and the Treehouses.

The current like-pricing could remain in place under contracts expire or DVC could change it as early as 2012.

Since only half of the THVs have been declared into the DVC inventory, I do not see them doing a reallocation at this point. Demand is higher than 30 villas DVC members have access to, but is it higher than the 60 THVs? We don't know.

Also there is problem that since so many of SSR points are returning to Disney via foreclosures that there is no reason to declare more THVs. DVD has plenty of SSR points to sell new members or for add ons. I also think that the THVs in the Disney Vacation Development (DVD) inventory are being rented by OCR regularly so there is no incentive to declare the last 30 THVs into the DVC. Per my DH, wdrl, that would be another 452,000 SSR points that Disney would need to sell. And according to wdrl's recent thread on Monthly Sales, DVD sold 40,570 points for SSR in July 2010. http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2526238 That's more points that any other resort except for BLT. But even though that statement makes it sound like SSR is selling like crazy, they sold only a third of the number of points sold at BLT. So why would DVD declare any more THVs at SSR? Just to alleviate the demand so they could figure out if they need to reallocate the points? I don't think so, they'll just continue to rent those 30 THVs at OCR.

 

[DebbieB]

What are the "negative effects" that SSR has had on the system? Why is that?

It is widely believed (with some evidence) that more SSR owners want to "stay out" than non-SSR owners want to "stay in". This increases the 7-month pressure on other resorts.

SSR isn't within walking distance or quick transportation to a park. So when it was being initially sold, they emphasized the ability to "book anywhere" at 7 months. Since SSR was the only WDW resort DVC was selling at the time, alot of people bought with that plan. There was a post a couple of years ago where a SSR member was furious that she could not get into Beach Club Villas in October. She said her guide told her she could book anywhere at 7 months. She waitlisted at 7 months and it didn't come through.

 

[tjkraz]

Since only half of the THVs have been declared into the DVC inventory, I do not see them doing a reallocation at this point. Demand is higher than 30 villas DVC members have access to, but is it higher than the 60 THVs? We don't know.

DVC is releasing more than 30 Treehouses for points bookings on a regular basis. The treehouses are legally part of SSR and the unit declaration does not play any role in the inventory retained for CRO.

I do agree that it's too early to make any fair assessments of demand. But over the next 44 years it's certainly feasible that THV will no longer be priced identical to 2B villas.