Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[Violet Parr]

I'm going to dodge out of this discussion. I tried to speak up as an alternative opinion from an ACTUAL camper (not someone expressing outrage over something that will never affect them) who doesn't feel throwaway campsites are something to worry about, even though I would NEVER use one and we will always stay on site.

But at this point, this all seems as futile as convincing my children that they shouldn't be whining "it's not fair" when someone gets something they don't, especially when that person got it fair and square.

It's time to get over it, peeps. I'm the ONLY camper on this thread who had a weekend they could not get that they wanted. And since WHEN is it a given that you will ever get every night you want at any resort at WDW when booking about 65 days in advance?

But enough people here who don't even use tent sites or have not actually truly been inconvenienced by not getting dates they want are insistent that this is a major issue. Sounds far more like sour grapes to me. And since I probably have to hear "his cookie is bigger than mine" several times tomorrow, I will save my energy for the preschoolers.

I hope everyone gets every night/reservation that they truly want, and I hope everyone rides all the rides they desire. My gut tells me just about everyone will.

VP

 

[Torgue]

My 60 day window for arriving on Nov. 29th was Monday. I added the extra week so actually starting booking on a 67 day window for my trip. I called to cancel the extra week and the CM did ask several times why I was canceling. All my FP+ are still there 3 days after canceling. If you are wanting Anna/Elsa FP+ I can't imagine why you wouldn't do this?

 

[ckelly14]

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[ckelly14]

My 60 day window for arriving on Nov. 29th was Monday. I added the extra week so actually starting booking on a 67 day window for my trip. I called to cancel the extra week and the CM did ask several times why I was canceling. All my FP+ are still there 3 days after canceling. If you are wanting Anna/Elsa FP+ I can't imagine why you wouldn't do this?

Agreed. It also lets you score those hard to find ADR's....

I wonder if your BOG FP's remain intact?

 

[Mambo Junkie]

I did it without a "throwaway room" and I waited my 180+10 and my 60 like I was comfortable doing (as I said before all the super planning is just too much work for me but to each his own) and I got everything I wanted. Granted, I purposely chose NOT to go during free dining, but I did have mild difficulties when it came to BOG (and my online booking didn't work - I had to wait until 7 am and call). I still feel satisfied even with my fps. Being vigilant helps just as much.

 

[karensi]

That is how it is supposed to work, yes.

Best explained by example.

If you are checking in on December 1st and checking out on December 2nd:

You can make FP+ reservations for December 1st and December 2nd starting 60 days out from December 1st: October 2nd.

If you want to then make FP+ reservations for December 3rd, you can make them on October 4th.

For December 4th, you can make them on October 5th, and so on.

This carries on _until_ December 2nd. You can continue to make FP+ at 60 days from the date in question until then, which means you can make FP+ reservations up through January 31st (60 days from December 2nd). After that, you can only make FP+ reservations at 30 days out. Any FP+ reservations made in the 60 day window before that should remain, but you will be unable to change them.

jimandami and doconeill, thank you so much for your help/answers.

And for the record, I'm not canceling my ressie. For what I'm paying it's well worth it and if I did cancel (not) it would just give me something else to stress about.

I thought vacations were for relaxing, but this has become so stressful. I'm taking my DD, son in law and 3 young grandsons, I want to make this a memorable trip for them but, man, its a lot of work!
Also, just want to add, I've been to Disney more times than I can even remember, but this FP+ seems to be the straw that broke the camels back, for me anyway.
Thanks again for all the help and info,

Karen

 

[patty57]

A question for those employing a throw away campsite. If you book a night to get a FP+ advantage, do you then cancel it when you get to your FP+ window? Or, do you keep it? If you keep it, what would happen to your FP+'s when you don't physically check in? I'm guessing this may have been addressed, but if possible, I would love to not go back through this entire thread.

 

[jimandami]

A question for those employing a throw away campsite. If you book a night to get a FP+ advantage, do you then cancel it when you get to your FP+ window? Or, do you keep it? If you keep it, what would happen to your FP+'s when you don't physically check in? I'm guessing this may have been addressed, but if possible, I would love to not go back through this entire thread.

I think most people have been keeping it for the free parking, EMH, etc....It has been reported that if you cancel after the 60 day window, you do not lose your FP+. The system is pretty glitchy so I guess you never know.

 

[kcpinwdw]

Obviously this is controversial but let me see if I understand this... I staying off site. But if I book a campsite that I pay for and don't use, basically for $50 or so I can get magic bands for all 9 of us and book my FP at 60 days out for the entire trip?? Do I have to buy my tickets when I book the room or will MDE link them afterward? Can I get the campsite a day or two before we go to disney if that's when they are open? Will the magic bands work if we never check in? What if we went to the park BEFORE or check in date (the camp was booked for a random night kid week for example). I'm coming up on the 60 day mark now but I am not worried about FPs every day, I just want an A&e and maybe some rides. We are going with my family, my BIL and his family, and mil. No one else gets the amount of planning possible for a disney trip... so I'm organizing both families schedules. Do I get to separate the FP bookings or make ones that aren't attached to my name if I have their tickets in my MDE? I'm probably not going to do this anyway, but with the amount of planning I am putting in, it sure would be nice to have the peace of mind. And I wouldn't mind magic bands either. Thanks!

 

[cakebaker]

But if I book a campsite that I pay for and don't use, basically for $50 or so I can get magic bands for all 9 of us and book my FP at 60 days out for the entire trip??

I'm sure someone else will be happy to explain all the intricate details of gaming the system, but you should know that you don't get a full 60 days out booking on fp+. It's a rolling 60 days. It's a huge difference.

 

[Cartwright]

Obviously this is controversial but let me see if I understand this... I staying off site. But if I book a campsite that I pay for and don't use, basically for $50 or so I can get magic bands for all 9 of us and book my FP at 60 days out for the entire trip?? Do I have to buy my tickets when I book the room or will MDE link them afterward? Can I get the campsite a day or two before we go to disney if that's when they are open? Will the magic bands work if we never check in? What if we went to the park BEFORE or check in date (the camp was booked for a random night kid week for example). I'm coming up on the 60 day mark now but I am not worried about FPs every day, I just want an A&e and maybe some rides. We are going with my family, my BIL and his family, and mil. No one else gets the amount of planning possible for a disney trip... so I'm organizing both families schedules. Do I get to separate the FP bookings or make ones that aren't attached to my name if I have their tickets in my MDE? I'm probably not going to do this anyway, but with the amount of planning I am putting in, it sure would be nice to have the peace of mind. And I wouldn't mind magic bands either. Thanks!

It's only controversial on here because certain people feel like they are entitled to more by actually sleeping in the room / at the campsite. The only controversial aspect IMO are the people who book campsites, reap the benefits and then cancel. That seems very wrong IN MY BOOK but I'm not going to argue the "ethics" of it with people who see it differently, to each their own.

I was at WDW a few weeks ago and the money that I spent on the throwaway campsite was probably the best money spent all week. For ~$50, you get:

- free parking at parks for 2 days (check-in / check-out) - a $34 value
- up to ten MBs (~$130 value)
- if you link your park tickets to a separate MDE than the one you use for the campsite, you are getting a ton of bonus same-day fastpasses (SDFP) for each day. 3 SDFP for each band when you go to kiosk the first time, 1 at a time after you use first 3. (invaluable IMO - I saved so much time, especially at MK)
- the ability to book FPs at 60 days out (I did not use this aspect as I booked throwaway room too late). Unlike if you were staying onsite the full week, it is a rolling 60 days, meaning that you book one day at a time - each one at 60 days out.

 

[cakebaker]

It's only controversial on here because certain people feel like they are entitled to more by actually sleeping in the room / at the campsite.

Nope, not true. This is what those of you who are doing this like to say, but no one cares where you sleep.

It's controversial because it's in clear violation of Disney's policies and it reduces the available fp's for those who actually follow the rules.

At least own what you're doing.

 

[Cartwright]

Nope, not true. This is what those of you who are doing this like to say, but no one cares where you sleep.

It's controversial because it's in clear violation of Disney's policies and it reduces the available fp's for those who actually follow the rules.

At least own what you're doing.

Care to cite exactly which policy is being violated? I'm sure Disney hates people buying unused campsites.

 

[cakebaker]

Care to cite exactly which policy is being violated? I'm sure Disney hates people buying unused campsites.

No problem, I'd be happy to. Btw, Disney doesn't care if you rent campsites. Quit trying to make what you're doing sound like it's perfectly fine. Rent a campsite, use the perks assigned to that campsite for the amount of time Disney says you're supposed to and no one has a problem with it.

In regards to the bogus extra bands and carefully putting them into separate mde accounts:

Directly from MDE:

Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it...

However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission.

In regards to using a fake reservation as a way to get a jump on reserving fp's for more than you're entitled to:

Make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay.

Note it says for the length of your stay- not for days you do not have reservations. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you're supposed to, it just means they haven't stopped you from exploiting a glitch....yet.

As I said, go ahead and game the system if you want, just don't pretend it's within the rules because it's not.

 

[Cartwright]

None of these statements say that a person cannot have multiple MDEs. Also, by your logic, Disney doesn't allow people to have more than 1 MB? So they don't want people buying the limited edition MBs?

As for the quotes that you referenced....

"Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it..."

This says the the MB is unique to me, meaning that I can share a MB between multiple people - didn't do that.

"However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission."

I did not get additional park admissions, in fact I had none. I had park admission on my other MDE. It also did not get me ADDITIONAL FP+ selections, it got me the same as everyone else, 3 per MB per day and then 1 at a time after those are used.

"Make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay."

Yes, that's why you can only book two days at the start and then have to wait a few extra days. Like you said above (in post #1850): "It's a huge difference"

 

[Cartwright]

Also, if anyone is concerned with Disney's stance on this, tell them when you call that you have no intention of actually staying at the campsite. The CM that I spoke to had absolutely no problem with it and said "That's fine, people do this all the time".

 

[cakebaker]

None of these statements say that a person cannot have multiple MDEs. Also, by your logic, Disney doesn't allow people to have more than 1 MB? So they don't want people buying the limited edition MBs?

Did you read what they said???? No one cares how many mde's you have. You can have all the bands you want- well you're supposed to buy extras and not create fake names to get them, but no, Disney has no problem with you possessing legitimate extra bands. What they say you can't do is use any additional bands to get extra fp's. It's pretty clear verbiage, not hard to comprehend at all.

However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission."

And from another one of your posts, that appears to be exactly what you did. You obtained extra bands using bogus names, then got additional fp's. That is clearly against their rules.

My friend and I split a throwaway campsite and each got 5 additional Magic Bands (on top of the one linked to the MDE with our actual tickets).

This says the the MB is unique to me, meaning that I can share a MB between multiple people - didn't do that.

It says you can't use someone else's band and they can't use theirs and that's exactly what you did. It doesn't say you can't "share", it says you can't use anyone's band but your own and that's exactly what you did- you used a fake person's band to obtain additional fp's. What, it doesn't count as using someone else because you lied and that person doesn't exist?

Again:
"However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission."

Yes, that's why you can only book two days at the start and then have to wait a few extra days. Like you said above (in post #1850): "It's a huge difference"

It's a loophole in the system that you're exploiting. They don't even address conditions for doing what you're doing because they didn't foresee this type of exploitation.

 

[cakebaker]

Also, if anyone is concerned with Disney's stance on this, tell them when you call that you have no intention of actually staying at the campsite. The CM that I spoke to had absolutely no problem with it and said "That's fine, people do this all the time".

Be sure and ask them if it's ok to add fake names to the reservation in order to get more free bands so that you can get more fp's too. I'm guessing they won't say that's fine....



I'm not going to continue to argue with you on this.

My point is for those who are honestly trying to figure out how this works and some of them may not realize it really is a scam. They should know that it's not condoned by Disney- especially this business of loading up fake names on a reservation to get a bag full of bands in order to grab as many fp's as they possibly can.

It is a violation of their policy and people who don't frequent these boards all the time should know it.

You can deny it all you want in order to justify what you're doing, but every once in a while there needs to be a post explaining exactly what this is. That's what I did and I'm done with it.

 

[Cartwright]

None of these statements say that a person cannot have multiple MDEs. Also, by your logic, Disney doesn't allow people to have more than 1 MB? So they don't want people buying the limited edition MBs?

Did you read what they said???? No one cares how many mde's you have. You can have all the bands you want- well you're supposed to buy extras and not create fake names to get them, but no, Disney has no problem with you possessing legitimate extra bands. What they say you can't do is use any additional bands to get extra fp's. It's pretty clear verbiage, not hard to comprehend at all.

However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission."

And from another one of your posts, that appears to be exactly what you did. You obtained extra bands using bogus names, then got additional fp's. That is clearly against their rules.






It says you can't use someone else's band and they can't use theirs and that's exactly what you did. It doesn't say you can't "share", it says you can't use anyone's band but your own and that's exactly what you did- you used a fake person's band to obtain additional fp's. What, it doesn't count as using someone else because you lied and that person doesn't exist?

Again:
"However, getting multiple MagicBands or cards does not give you multiple entitlements, such as additional FastPass+ selections or park admission."




It's a loophole in the system that you're exploiting. They don't even address conditions for doing what you're doing because they didn't foresee this type of exploitation.

I did not use any "bogus" names. Since you selectively choose what to quote out of context, please reference post #565 from earlier this evening in this thread: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3245463&page=38

I did not use "bogus" names. I used my REAL name with "one", "two", "three"....etc. for two reasons: 1) so I could keep track of the different bands and 2) to avoid deceit, which you seem to love to accuse people of.

I'm not here to get into a personal altercation with anyone, so I don't plan on engaging in any further 1-on-1 debates. We can just agree to disagree.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I hope this helps. My answers are in bold. If you have any more questions, ask away or PM me

Obviously this is controversial but let me see if I understand this... I staying off site. But if I book a campsite that I pay for and don't use, basically for $50 or so I can get magic bands for all 9 of us and book my FP at 60 days out for the entire trip??

Yes, you will get Magic Bands for each member of your party. If you are from within the US, they will ship them to you. If you're an International Guest then you need to go and pick them up from the resort.

FP+ isn't like ADR's, it's a rolling 60 days. At 60 days out from the date you're wanting to make FP+ for, you can make your ride reservations.

Do I have to buy my tickets when I book the room or will MDE link them afterward?

You don't have to buy them when you make the room reservation. You can add them in afterwards. It "should" automatically link the tickets but it's easy to add the tickets manually (unless of glitches ect) You also can't book FP+ until you have tickets linked.

Can I get the campsite a day or two before we go to disney if that's when they are open? Will the magic bands work if we never check in? What if we went to the park BEFORE or check in date (the camp was booked for a random night kid week for example).

The Magic Bands are "active" from the time they are shipped. You never have to physically check in. You can do the online check in but even if you don't, nothing happens to prevent you using the Magic Bands and FP+. The Magic Bands will work once your tickets are linked to your MDE account. The only thing you can't do before your check in date would be use any sort of Dining Plan (not an issue on your case) or charge to your room (again, not an issue) One of the Perks would be free parking for two days around your room reservation. The parking pass (which I think you do need to pick up from the resort) has the dates you are staying. If you plan to use this, it's best to use dates around your trip to you can also get two days free parking.

Do I get to separate the FP bookings or make ones that aren't attached to my name if I have their tickets in my MDE? I'm probably not going to do this anyway, but with the amount of planning I am putting in, it sure would be nice to have the peace of mind. And I wouldn't mind magic bands either. Thanks!

Yes, you can make individual FP's for everyone in your party. Each person will need a profile and a ticket linked in order to do this. Once this has happened, you can make FP+ for everyone in your group or only for 1 or 2 of you. They also don't have to be the same. My sister goes on Tower of Terror while I do The Great Movie Ride and we meet up later.