Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[cakebaker]

Can you answer my question:

What is the difference between paying for a room and using it, paying for a room and not using it, and booking a room and cancelling it?

If you feel the latter 2 are wrong, then clearly the first one is too.

Therefore, no one should ever stay at the campgrounds.

Sure, then I'd appreciate an answer to mine.

I've said this a kazillion +1 times- There is NO difference between booking a room and using it and booking a room and not using it. It's NOT THE ROOM. IT'S NOT WHERE YOU SLEEP.

Booking and cancelling is fine- as long as you don't get any benefits from that booking.

The problem lies in booking a room for 1 night and getting the benefits for the length of your ticket- you book 1 night, you should get check in day and check out day perks. Period.

Now you answer mine, please.

I've read over and over again on this thread that a throwaway that's paid for is OK with Disney, and in fact they intended it to happen. The claim is, Disney isn't stupid. They could've fixed it where that doesn't happen and because they didn't, it means they intended for this to happen.

So...why pay for the room? You aren't breaking any Disney rules. Disney allows it to happen so it must be fine with them. They must actually want it to happen.

 

[nugov2]

No one may be able to give YOU a valid reason but imho its because you wouldn't accept any reason because you don't like the practice.

The difference is obvious to anyone imho, the true throwaway is the booking of a room and providing the amount of $ Disney is asking in order to obtain the benefits associated with that room, while the other is bordering on fraud. The fact that the difference has to be explained to you tells me that nothing anyone says would change your mind. You've already been given a number of explanations as to why it isn't wrong but you keep harping on the same thing without actually looking at the facts. By saying there is no difference tells me that your either :

a) simply playing devil's advocate trying to get people going since I find it impossible to believe anyone could actually believe what you stated or

b) ....ummmmm.....I don't think there is a b)

Well said

 

[cakebaker]

The bolded statements above are false and insulting.


From the above, I gather you think off-siters are second-class cheapskates. Where do you get this idea from?

You said that, not me. 1) I didn't say all 2) I see nothing wrong with bringing food in to the park. Do you? 3)


Me thinks someone has an inferiority complex, but it's one caused by no one other than you.

 

[cakebaker]

The difference is obvious to anyone imho, the true throwaway is the booking of a room and providing the amount of $ Disney is asking in order to obtain the benefits associated with that room, while the other is bordering on fraud.

But the argument is, it's ok to book and pay BECAUSE Disney lets you do it. Not because it's morally right, not because it's ethical, but because Disney says you can.

The it's ok because Disney would have fix it if it wasn't is the most common reason I've read regarding why throwaways are ok.

If that's true, and you can go back and read the posts where people use that reason, then it's true that it's ok to book and cancel. Disney lets you do it.

 

[Luckybee]

You said that, not me. 1) I didn't say all 2) I see nothing wrong with bringing food in to the park. Do you? 3)


Me thinks someone has an inferiority complex, but it's one caused by no one other than you.

Actually you did. But you tried to couch your words very cautiously so you could then do exactly what you're now doing....which is to say ...."who ? me ? I didn't say that" and once again

 

[nugov2]

Sure, then I'd appreciate an answer to mine.

I've said this a kazillion +1 times- There is NO difference between booking a room and using it and booking a room and not using it. It's NOT THE ROOM. IT'S NOT WHERE YOU SLEEP.

Booking and cancelling is fine- as long as you don't get any benefits from that booking.

The problem lies in booking a room for 1 night and getting the benefits for the length of your ticket- you book 1 night, you should get check in day and check out day perks. Period.

Now you answer mine, please.

I did answer yours. It doesn't work all of the time. There are tons of reports of people saying they lose their FP's when they cancel the room. Call and book a room and tell them you plan to cancel, but keep your FP and they will tell you it is a violation of policy and will lose all prebooked FP. This is proof it is a loophole and not what they intended. Do the same for the one night stay and they will tell you that is OK and you can prebook your FP at 60 days for checkin/checkout day and then on the next day for each additional day you have tickets for up to 10 days. You do not lose your FP(or we will say you have the same chance as a length of stay reservation family of losing your FP's). You just choose to ignore this scenario.

 

[cakebaker]

Here's what Disney- official Disney- not a cm or a story about a cm says-

When you buy tickets in advance and book a stay at a Disney Resort hotel, you can make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay.

Not much arguing with that. They mean it to be for your length of stay.

The fact that you can do is a loophole that's being exploited.

 

[cakebaker]

I did answer yours. It doesn't work all of the time. There are tons of reports of people saying they lose their FP's when they cancel the room. Call and book a room and tell them you plan to cancel, but keep your FP and they will tell you it is a violation of policy and will lose all prebooked FP. This is proof it is a loophole and not what they intended. Do the same for the one night stay and they will tell you that is OK and you can prebook your FP at 60 days for checkin/checkout day and then on the next day for each additional day you have tickets for up to 10 days. You do not lose your FP(or we will say you have the same chance as a length of stay reservation family of losing your FP's). You just choose to ignore this scenario.

No, I choose to discount an argument that you just simply make up.

There are not "tons" of people saying they lost their fp's when they cancelled. Honestly, I don't remember reading 1, but there are most certainly not tons. There simply aren't.

No one has called and done such a thing and reported back.

Lastly, that request wasn't directed to you in that post.

 

[Luckybee]

Here's what Disney- official Disney- not a cm or a story about a cm says-



Not much arguing with that. They mean it to be for your length of stay.

The fact that you can do is a loophole that's being exploited.

No one would disagree that Disney has said the above. It doesn't pertain only to the throwaway concept though. Ap's(who wouldn't be able to book FP's other than at the 30 day mark in advance then), those who have split stays on/off, and throwaways are all able to book in the same manner. And Disney is well aware of it. And they haven't stopped it for any of those groups. So perhaps you should write to them and tell them to change it. I'm sure they would appreciate your feedback. Or not.

 

[itchin2go]

Actually you did. But you tried to couch your words very cautiously so you could then do exactly what you're now doing....which is to say ...."who ? me ? I didn't say that" and once again

Thank you. Glad the bias was obvious to you too.

 

[nugov2]

No, I choose to discount an argument that you just simply make up.

There are not "tons" of people saying they lost their fp's when they cancelled. Honestly, I don't remember reading 1, but there are most certainly not tons. There simply aren't.

No one has called and done such a thing and reported back.

I don't think anyone has to call to know that is what they say about booking and then cancelling. There have been a lot saying that and I have read them, but I am not going to take the time to search it b/c at the end of the day it doesn't really mean much to me if I convince you or not. Your arguments are simply made up too, so it is a stalemate. WDW hires their employees and trains them on what to say. They have IT people working for them who could very easily change the system and the do not. WDW is a large company with very educated people running it. I don't for one second think they would allow it if they didn't want to. A glitch is something that happens here and there, this happens every single time. That is the difference. Have a magical day

 

[itchin2go]

You said that, not me. 1) I didn't say all 2) I see nothing wrong with bringing food in to the park. Do you? 3)


Me thinks someone has an inferiority complex, but it's one caused by no one other than you.

Nicely deflected.

But that's what you do when you don't have a decent argument ... deflect to something else.

I don't care if people bring food into the parks. But you alleged said this: "Off site tend to stay off site to save money, not for nicer places to sleep. They eat off site, they bring food into the parks, they go other places much more than on site."

My point was this:

I stay offsite.
I DO stay off site because the accommodations are nicer.
I eat almost all my meals ON Disney property.
I have never brought food into the parks.

My point was that your uninformed blanket assumptions are false, and seem disdainful of offsiters.

Rather than address what you actually said, you deflected onto me, alleging that I have a problem with people who bring food into the parks, and I must feel inferior to you, both of which are utter fiction.

 

[cakebaker]

Thank you. Glad the bias was obvious to you too.

Such a shock you both would agree-

 

[cakebaker]

Nicely deflected.

But that's what you do when you don't have a decent argument ... deflect to something else.

I don't care if people bring food into the parks. But you alleged said this: "Off site tend to stay off site to save money, not for nicer places to sleep. They eat off site, they bring food into the parks, they go other places much more than on site."

My point was this:

I stay offsite.
I DO stay off site because the accommodations are nicer.
I eat almost all my meals ON Disney property.
I have never brought food into the parks.

My point was that your uninformed blanket assumptions are false, and seem disdainful of offsiters.

Rather than address what you actually said, you deflected onto me, alleging that I have a problem with people who bring food into the parks, and I must feel inferior to you, both of which are utter fiction.

Ok, so you're not the typical, average off site guest. It happens.

Actually, you're the one deflecting. I'm talking about why Disney wouldn't care for throwaway rooms- not the good and bad of staying off site or which guest is in some way better.

And I was careful to point out that those tendencies of off site guests don't apply to all. They just apply to enough that it makes Disney want to encourage on site stays. Of course no statement applies to everyone.

What I said was true, I can't help that you feel insulted by it. On site guests, by and large- with some exceptions spend more than off site guests. Search "Disney on a budget"...see if staying offsite isn't the #1 tip you get on damn near every site you find.

You've got a huge ol' chip on your shoulder. You're looking for insults where they don't exist.

 

[Luckybee]

I think Nugov has the right idea....and in conjunction with my thoughts of I'm not going to continue with discussions that serve no purpose but to waste my time

He can talk to himself. Must be someone out there interested in the nonsense he's stating. Or.......

 

[DVCMomBLT]

Sure, then I'd appreciate an answer to mine.

I've said this a kazillion +1 times- There is NO difference between booking a room and using it and booking a room and not using it. It's NOT THE ROOM. IT'S NOT WHERE YOU SLEEP.

Booking and cancelling is fine- as long as you don't get any benefits from that booking.

The problem lies in booking a room for 1 night and getting the benefits for the length of your ticket- you book 1 night, you should get check in day and check out day perks. Period.

Now you answer mine, please.

I agree with this. I don't understand what your question is then.

 

[cakebaker]

book a stay at a Disney Resort hotel, you can make your FastPass+ 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay

That's really all that needs to be said.

 

[cakebaker]

I agree with this. I don't understand what your question is then.

Perhaps one of us is just confused- which one I couldn't say.

At any rate, we seem to agree so that's a good thing!

 

[cakebaker]

I think Nugov has the right idea....and in conjunction with my thoughts of I'm not going to continue with discussions that serve no purpose but to waste my time

He can talk to himself. Must be someone out there interested in the nonsense he's stating. Or.......

Actually, it's a she.

Yeah, when your arguments go stale, accusations are about all you're left with.

book a stay at a Disney Resort hotel, you can make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay

 

[DVCMomBLT]

Ok, so you're not the typical, average off site guest. It happens.

Actually, you're the one deflecting. I'm talking about why Disney wouldn't care for throwaway rooms- not the good and bad of staying off site or which guest is in some way better.

And I was careful to point out that those tendencies of off site guests don't apply to all. They just apply to enough that it makes Disney want to encourage on site stays. Of course no statement applies to everyone.

What I said was true, I can't help that you feel insulted by it. On site guests, by and large- with some exceptions spend more than off site guests. Search "Disney on a budget"...see if staying offsite isn't the #1 tip you get on damn near every site you find.

You've got a huge ol' chip on your shoulder. You're looking for insults where they don't exist.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "throwaway" room. That is a made up term. All Disney onsite reservations are equal. The amount of time you spend in the room is meaningless.

Your problem is that Disney allows guests to get benefits beyond the length of their stay. Fine. I agree.

That has NOTHING to do with whether you own a house in Florida, you sleep on the streets, or you stay at the Hilton.

You are changing your argument from post to post. Keep it simple. You think Disney should only give you benefits for the days you have an onsite reservation. No need to comment on what offsite guests do or don't do. It has no place in this discussion and just weakens your argument IMO.