Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[asmit4]

Ok, so you're not the typical, average off site guest. It happens.

I'm talking about why Disney wouldn't care for throwaway rooms- not the good and bad of staying off site or which guest is in some way better.

On site guests, by and large- with some exceptions spend more than off site guests. Search "Disney on a budget"...see if staying offsite isn't the #1 tip you get on damn near every site you find.

I'd argue back that the majority of people willing to book a throwaway room are spending just as much, if not more, on disney property than a lot of on site guests. The reason people book such rooms is because they want coveted FPs and ADRs. They plan to spend a lot of time in the parks and eat and drink and buy stuff. They are often using the $$$ saved on accommodations to purchase stuff in the parks.

I have at least 1 ADR per day booked for our trip and plan on doing CS for one meal each day also. In addition we have MNSSHP tickets also. We are eating our hearts out in DW and planning on buying stuff in the gift shops for sure. I would totally agree with you that in general- offsite guests DO spend less $$$ inside the parks but I think us 'crazy throwaway bookers' are the exception.

DW will know that I'm a 1 day throwaway with an address that is 2000 miles away....so they can deduce I'm a throwaway renter. I will have my MBs on the entire time so they can see what I'm buying, where I'm eating etc etc. Same as everyone else. I have no doubt that in 6 months or a year Disney will be doing some algorithms to determine whether a minimum night stay should be required or not based on our MBs RFID information. If they do- I'm 100% on board with that. Booking a value for a 6 night trip STILL saves me 1000s. We also do stay onsite sometimes too- this time in a Saratoga DVC condo so we do split stays.

 

[Luckybee]

Not sure on your percentage there- , but yes, there's a huge difference between paying for the room and booking it with every intention of cancelling.

Post number 1183 (page 79) in this thread.


Nuff said !!!

 

[cakebaker]

Post number 1183 (page 79) in this thread.


Nuff said !!!

No problem owning that I said that. It was early in the discussion and I hadn't considered quite as long as I have at this point and I have no problem saying I changed my mind after reading other posts and having more input. I'm never glued to a position or opinion simply because at one time that's what I thought or said.

My point is not what do I think of it- my point is I find it a more than a little hypocritical to **gasp** at the thought of someone getting the perks and cancelling the room- yet it's perfectly fine to pay for 1 night and get all the perks for days you did not pay for. You're stealing both ways and at least cancelling gives the room or those impossible to get campsites the spot to a actual on site guest.

book a stay at a Disney Resort hotel, you can make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay

 

[cakebaker]

We also do stay onsite sometimes too- this time in a Saratoga DVC condo so we do split stays.

Those are beautiful villas. We stayed in a 2 bedroom and loved it. A little remote for us, but that was the only drawback.

My grandson is obsessed with Cars so I'm caving to the request to stay at AOA this next trip. It's a suite, so hopefully it won't be too bad. Not a big fan of the values, but what can you do when the grandbaby wants it.

Next summer is grandma's choice.

 

[nugov2]

I'd argue back that the majority of people willing to book a throwaway room are spending just as much, if not more, on disney property than a lot of on site guests. The reason people book such rooms is because they want coveted FPs and ADRs. They plan to spend a lot of time in the parks and eat and drink and buy stuff. They are often using the $$$ saved on accommodations to purchase stuff in the parks.

I have at least 1 ADR per day booked for our trip and plan on doing CS for one meal each day also. In addition we have MNSSHP tickets also. We are eating our hearts out in DW and planning on buying stuff in the gift shops for sure. I would totally agree with you that in general- offsite guests DO spend less $$$ inside the parks but I think us 'crazy throwaway bookers' are the exception.

DW will know that I'm a 1 day throwaway with an address that is 2000 miles away....so they can deduce I'm a throwaway renter. I will have my MBs on the entire time so they can see what I'm buying, where I'm eating etc etc. Same as everyone else. I have no doubt that in 6 months or a year Disney will be doing some algorithms to determine whether a minimum night stay should be required or not based on our MBs RFID information. If they do- I'm 100% on board with that. Booking a value for a 6 night trip STILL saves me 1000s. We also do stay onsite sometimes too- this time in a Saratoga DVC condo so we do split stays.

Exactly what I have been arguing all along why WDW is currently allowing this. They want to see what spending patterns this group has b/c they probably have a good idea there is a chunk of offsite who will spend big bucks at WDW if they are motivated to do so. If having a one night stay you pay for boosts your spending by 20% they are coming out ahead and will be just fine leaving this option in place. If after an amount of time they find those doing it are not really increasing their spending they change the settings. We spend a lot at WDW.

We don't stay offsite to save but b/c they do not have anything that meets our needs. We've stayed onsite and now we have different needs that only offsite meets. We eat onsite, play onsite even when not at the parks and do tons of extras that cost money. We never felt the bubble that others speak of(but we aren't a fan of the transportation or EMH). We rent a house that IMO is better themed than any of the WDW resorts. We've only stay deluxe when we stayed onsite and the Poly and CR are not really WDW themed. They are decent rooms at those hotels, but the last house we stayed in my dd is sleeping in Cinderella's carriage with a beautiful princess mural on the wall, my one son slept in an awesome Mickey room(his favorite) and my other son in a Toy Story Alien room that was out of this world This time we looked through tons of houses before picking another one that my kids are just gaga over. We love mostly MK(not the other parks as much), but after a trip over to Uni we were sold. I'd have no problem spending more time there and at some other activities in the area if I felt like I couldn't plan great ADR's at every park along with rides that we would like to do without long waits. Because I know we will be able to do this by booking a room, WDW is getting 3 additional days and tons more money from my family on our upcoming 9 day trip. I'd say the strategy is paying off.

 

[Luckybee]

No problem owning that I said that. It was early in the discussion and I hadn't considered quite as long as I have at this point and I have no problem saying I changed my mind after reading other posts and having more input. I'm never glued to a position or opinion simply because at one time that's what I thought or said.

My point is not what do I think of it- my point is I find it a more than a little hypocritical to **gasp** at the thought of someone getting the perks and cancelling the room- yet it's perfectly fine to pay for 1 night and get all the perks for days you did not pay for. You're stealing both ways and at least cancelling gives the room or those impossible to get campsites the spot to a actual on site guest.

book a stay at a Disney Resort hotel, you can make your FastPass+ selections up to 60 days prior to check-in for the entire length of your stay

Of course you had to own it....you said it....not early in the discussion though ....that was January....you said what I quoted just over 2 weeks ago. But I appreciate the comment which confirms what I already said

 

[cakebaker]

Of course you had to own it....you said it....not early in the discussion though ....that was January....you said what I quoted just over 2 weeks ago. But I appreciate the comment which confirms what I already said

My opinion of whether one is worse or not is irrelevant. But there can't be a difference to those who think it's ok to book a throwaway and pay because Disney doesn't stop them, but then claim that booking and cancelling is somehow wrong- that's the hypocrisy.

But then you're the one who thinks someone who stayed after the MNSSHP and watched parades and visited with characters shouldn't face any consequences, so I'll take your opinons on this with a grain of salt if you don't mind. Your level of ethics and mine are pretty different apparently.

 

[nugov2]

My opinion of whether one is worse or not is irrelevant. But there can't be a difference to those who think it's ok to book a throwaway and pay because Disney doesn't stop them, but then claim that booking and cancelling is somehow wrong- that's the hypocrisy.

But then you're the one who thinks someone who stayed after the MNSSHP and watched parades and visited with characters shouldn't face any consequences, so I'll take your opinons on this with a grain of salt if you don't mind. Your level of ethics and mine are pretty different apparently.

So let me get this straight....you think it is unethical to book a throwaway room and get FP prebooking for more than the days you pay for, but not circumvent Disney policy about the extra charge for a person in your room like you stated in this thread? Here you are telling someone to register a guest in another persons room to avoid paying the additional room charge, but still let them sleep in the room they aren't registered in. Funny how your ethics on loopholes and gaming the system only apply when you want them to

You say in post 9:
Before you spend that money..lol

There's nothing wrong with it at all. We've done it. Why throw money away.

It's possible to get an extra key if you're concerned about that, but it was never a problem for us.



http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=52262414#post52262414

 

[asmit4]

My reasoning--you may disagree----is that you pay for something that has a variety of inclusions. You use the ones you want. I book a room, I sleep in the room, I skip EMH and decide to eat offsite so no ADRs. NO problem at all. I book the room, I go to EMH, and eat onsite for all meals, I skip sleeping in the room. Once again- NO problem at all. I paid for it so it's up to me what I chose to use or not use.

To me- paying for all of the inclusions and choosing what I use is 100% ok. On the other hand- cancelling the reservation is stealing from Disney. Disney may allow it- and you may be cancel and not have any issue with it- for me though- that's getting something for nothing and that's not ok- IN MY BOOK. It's not something I'd do. If others do it though I'm certainly not going to get all angry about it. People do stuff I wouldn't do every day....and I certainly do stuff others wouldn't do every day too.....going 10mph over the speed limit anyone

I just think it's really funny that so many think not sleeping in the room is akin to actually stealing from disney...for the life of me I just can't wrap my head around that- perhaps it's my bad morals

 

[cakebaker]

So let me get this straight....you think it is unethical to book a throwaway room and get FP prebooking for more than the days you pay for, but not circumvent Disney policy about the extra charge for a person in your room like you stated in this thread? Here you are telling someone to register a guest in another persons room to avoid paying the additional room charge, but still let them sleep in the room they aren't registered in. Funny how your ethics on loopholes and gaming the system only apply when you want them to You say in post 9: Before you spend that money..lol There's nothing wrong with it at all. We've done it. Why throw money away. It's possible to get an extra key if you're concerned about that, but it was never a problem for us. http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=52262414#post52262414

Stalk much?

You guys sure get your in a uproar anytime anyone calls you out on this scam. Lol

In that instance, they aren't getting a thing they otherwise wouldn't get and they aren't taking anything away from anyone.

When cruising Disney with more than 1 cabin, they actually help you book the rooms to best benefit you. They've always done it with us. I'm pretty sure disneyworld works the same.

 

[cakebaker]

Again- has nothing to do with where you sleep. I need to copy and paste that.

 

[DVCMomBLT]

My reasoning--you may disagree----is that you pay for something that has a variety of inclusions. You use the ones you want. I book a room, I sleep in the room, I skip EMH and decide to eat offsite so no ADRs. NO problem at all. I book the room, I go to EMH, and eat onsite for all meals, I skip sleeping in the room. Once again- NO problem at all. I paid for it so it's up to me what I chose to use or not use.

To me- paying for all of the inclusions and choosing what I use is 100% ok. On the other hand- cancelling the reservation is stealing from Disney. Disney may allow it- and you may be cancel and not have any issue with it- for me though- that's getting something for nothing and that's not ok- IN MY BOOK. It's not something I'd do. If others do it though I'm certainly not going to get all angry about it. People do stuff I wouldn't do every day....and I certainly do stuff others wouldn't do every day too.....going 10mph over the speed limit anyone

I just think it's really funny that so many think not sleeping in the room is akin to actually stealing from disney...for the life of me I just can't wrap my head around that- perhaps it's my bad morals

This is it exactly. Imagine if I said I was booking a "throwaway room", just so I could have a place to sleep at night. Should I be forced to attend EMH and book ADR's every night just so I can use the benefit of sleeping in the room? Am I ripping Disney off if I just sleep in the room and never go to the parks? That's why this argument is so absurd.

 

[Luckybee]

My opinion of whether one is worse or not is irrelevant. But there can't be a difference to those who think it's ok to book a throwaway and pay because Disney doesn't stop them, but then claim that booking and cancelling is somehow wrong- that's the hypocrisy.

But then you're the one who thinks someone who stayed after the MNSSHP and watched parades and visited with characters shouldn't face any consequences, so I'll take your opinons on this with a grain of salt if you don't mind. Your level of ethics and mine are pretty different apparently.

Uh no I didn't think they should face "any consequences" perhaps you should expand your comprehension skills. I indicated that Disney security could not legally hold someone as you seemed to be suggesting they did/could. I also indicated that someone who hadn't paid shouldn't be there and they should be escorted out. If you recall I also invited you to compare legal credentials by pm....the offer is still open. Their is a big difference between my opinion on what is ethical and what Disney is legally entitled to do. Perhaps you couldn't grasp the difference.

 

[cakebaker]

Uh no I didn't think they should face "any consequences" perhaps you should expand your comprehension skills. I indicated that Disney security could not legally hold someone as you seemed to be suggesting they did/could. I also indicated that someone who hadn't paid shouldn't be there and they should be escorted out. If you recall I also invited you to compare legal credentials by pm....the offer is still open. Their is a big difference between my opinion on what is ethical and what Disney is legally entitled to do. Perhaps you couldn't grasp the difference.

Seriously, you keep wanting to show off your credentials to everyone- that's just weird. I couldn't care less what your legal credentials are, but you sure seem to be proud of them.

 

[DVCMomBLT]

Again- has nothing to do with where you sleep. I need to copy and paste that.

How about "I was dead wrong before, I can't imagine what I was thinking. But I have a completely new argument now" instead of pretending you didn't change your argument in the middle of the thread.

 

[cakebaker]

If that were true I might do it, but its not so I won't. Its clearly stated on the website you're entitled to fp+ for the length of your stay - pretty clear verbiage. We can argue this till the cows come home but there's no arguing Disney's own words.

 

[DVCMomBLT]

If that were true I might do it, but its not so I won't. Its clearly stated on the website you're entitled to fp+ for the length of your stay - pretty clear verbiage. We can argue this till the cows come home but there's no arguing Disney's own words.

No one is debating that. But that wasn't your original stance and you are pretending that is what you said all along. I'm done debating this, you clearly can't admit when you are wrong. I suggest everyone else drop it or this useful thread will get deleted.

 

[nugov2]

Stalk much?

You guys sure get your in a uproar anytime anyone calls you out on this scam. Lol

In that instance, they aren't getting a thing they otherwise wouldn't get and they aren't taking anything away from anyone.

When cruising Disney with more than 1 cabin, they actually help you book the rooms to best benefit you. They've always done it with us. I'm pretty sure disneyworld works the same.

Actually, no I was reading through that thread and swore I remembered you posting that it was ok to do. I haven't had time to go to my laptop and search it to see. I just had a moment, but I find it funny you justify it b/c it fits your need. I'm sure WDW wants people who are sleeping in one room to register in another room to avoid that extra per person charge...but you can tell yourself whatever you want to justify your supposed loophole being ok while this one is not. You know in your scenario you are actually stealing money WDW would have gotten for the per person charge. In the FP one nobody is losing anything. The room is being paid for and FP are being booked with less advantage than those with a multiple night stay are...so what is being taken from someone? Certainly not revenue like you are doing...but hey it's all good b/c you say it is right and the throwaway is wrong Hey pot...its the kettle calling and you're black

 

[asmit4]

I'm headed to hell with the disney villains!!!

*I speed
*I book throwaway rooms
*I'd totally split up guests to save $$$ but have them sleep wherever they wanted!
*back with legacy FP I also would work the 'off circuit' FPs to my advantage so I could get Meet Mickey, Barnstormer and HAVE another one at the SAME time!

I'm totally morally corrupt!

 

[nugov2]

If that were true I might do it, but its not so I won't. Its clearly stated on the website you're entitled to fp+ for the length of your stay - pretty clear verbiage. We can argue this till the cows come home but there's no arguing Disney's own words.

It clearly states on the website about rates being based on double occupancy and extra rates apply for each additional person...clearly you don't accept that verbiage as gospel so why should this apply. Just admit it you are as shady as the rest of us