THRILLED Most DVC'ers are renting @ $12/point now

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by Johnnie Fedora
...(snip)....DVCers who complain about fellow members renting habits should be questioning Disney's policy about the renting out of traded in points.

Or maybe they should complain about all the members who don't use their points for DVC stays. That's why CRO/WDWTC gets to rent the vast majority of DVC accomodations in the first place!!!

 

[niks81]

ITA

 

[Dean]

"That still doesnt' make it against the rules just because some people don't like it. The question is really the legal discussion related ot the POS and it does not address he when plus there would be no way to hold back for rentals while allowing other members to reserve."

Could you try rephrasing this paragraph?

Sure, if you like. I believe the background on this subject was reserving high demand times then renting them out. My point is that the times reserved have nothing to do with an objective discussion of this matter. That is purely the emotional component. There is NOTHING in the POS, Florida Statues or general timeshare information that I am aware of that would address the availability (or lack of) as being germaine to this discussion. The honest points discussion should be the following.

• What does the POS say?
• What does the FL statutes (and associated rules) say?
• Is there any case law applicable (timeshares, condo's, sublets, etc)?
• Does it provide for a person renting their points?
• Does it provide limitations for renting?
• Does it define the issues inherent in renting or preventing renting.
• Are the rules and/or laws being applied equally across the board to ALL renters?
• What is he definition of "commercial activity"?

These are the issues and I've touched on them all in one way or another.

"Yet it is my opinion that some people get so worked up over this matter that they couldn't think straight if they wanted to."

Sure they can.....you just don't agree with their point of view.

I disagree. There are a number who feel most renting is not appropriate who are sane and objective. While I may feel they focus on one area too much and not take in the entire amount of info available, at least they seem to ackowledge the overall picture and in many cases, admit the obvious but honestly state they wish renting werent' allowed. Then there are a few VERY emotional people, probably on both sides of the discussion. It reminds me of the start of College football season where people delude themselves into thinking their team will be good.

 

[ripleysmom]

"I responded by saying that if you "HATE" or dislike something so much then why do it or be on this thread. If you simply said, "I don't agree with the prevailing point of view" or "I have another opinion" then that would have been completely different."

And to revisit my response to your query, I joined the thread to express my displeasure with the subject matter. Why must I be silent if I don't like something?


"I've never had any problem with anyone expressing any point of view."

Coulda fooled me.


"I hope your more fun at parties then on these message boards."

Well at least I don't have to worry about any problems with long pointy objects while sitting at those parties.

 

[ripleysmom]

"Sure, if you like. I believe the background on this subject was reserving high demand times then renting them out. My point is that the times reserved have nothing to do with an objective discussion of this matter. That is purely the emotional component. There is NOTHING in the POS, Florida Statues or general timeshare information that I am aware of that would address the availability (or lack of) as being germaine to this discussion. The honest points discussion should be the following."

I believe the REAL background matter (at least for this thread) was the effort of some of the posters on this board to coerce other members into charging a certain amount.

You are absolutely right that there is no rule about the times reserved. That in and of itself means nothing and I understand that. Where it becomes relevant is if someone were to begin to build a case against a DVC owner for indulging in commercial activity, grabbing peak times to increase ROI along with posts telling other DVC owners of their intentions would certainly contribute to a commerical use argument.


"I disagree."

As you are entitled to do.


"There are a number who feel most renting is not appropriate who are sane and objective."

Once again a link to this would be appreciated.


"While I may feel they focus on one area too much and not take in the entire amount of info available, at least they seem to ackowledge the overall picture and in many cases, admit the obvious but honestly state they wish renting werent' allowed."

When done in the manner that some posters on this board do it, I can see why they wouldn't.


"Then there are a few VERY emotional people, probably on both sides of the discussion. It reminds me of the start of College football season where people delude themselves into thinking their team will be good."

Yes there are and most of the time the VERY emotional people on the other side of this argument are the ones starting the threads telling DVC owners that they should be charging more money for their points so that they can increase their ROI.

 

[Dean]

Yes there are and most of the time the VERY emotional people on the other side of this argument are the ones starting the threads telling DVC owners that they should be charging more money for their points so that they can increase their ROI.

I was doing some simple searching and found 20 matches when I searched linking commercial to renting and cross referencing my name starting early 2001. Of those 20 posts, the way I viewed the OP revealed that 4 could be construed as encouraging higher price though not necessarily price fixing, 8 were upset about renting in some way and the rest somewhaat neutral (at least for the OP) or truly information gathering.

ripleysmom, the background on my comments that you referred twice was that IMO, the demand of the rental time had no meaning in the discussion. Some had implied that renting high demand times should be taken into account in determining "commercial activity".

 

[ripleysmom]

"demand of the rental time had no meaning in the discussion. Some had implied that renting high demand times should be taken into account in determining "commercial activity"."

I agree with those people. If every year an owner is reserving peak weeks and listing them on ebay, that could certainly be taken into consideration in trying to determine commercial activity. You disagree with that assertion. We'll just have to agree to disagree.