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oh my, could this is be the Dog friendly DVC?

Remember that question was on the survey?

Hey, you may be right! I'd love it if a new DVC resort was pet friendly. Not necessarily for now, but for some day when I want to travel there for weeks at a time in winter after my retirement. It would be so much easier if we could bring the pets.
 
If I ever see a dog, cat, iguana, etc. at a DVC resort, it Will be investigated and reported. If you wish to bring your pet, make appropriate plans for boarding and visit with them often. Sam (not Joan)

If the pet is an assistance dog and there are now assistance dogs for high blood pressure, panic attacks, emotional distress and many others things, there is nothing Disney can to do prevent it.

The very laws that protect those that truly need a service animal allows others to abuse it.
 
"the STOL airport spot with a canal through River Country???."

What is STOL?

For those of you talking about pet-friendly accommodations, note that a new law is going into effect (I believe Jan. 1) that limits a service animal to dogs only and also limits the purposes for which those dogs can be used as service animals to try to stem some of the abuse that we now see.
 
STOL is a term us for Short Take Offs and Landings. For WDW, it refers to Walt's runway between Fort Wilderness and the TTC.
 

Oh my I would LOVE that :love: but don't think that will ever happen but that would be great for my family.:dogdance:

We seriously started to buy into the DVC back in 2007 for about 16,000.00 dollars, thought that was pretty reasonable but we didn't because we do like to travel with our doggie.

Now we do travel in a motorhome that is 4 times that. :scared1:

I honestly think there is a market for it. Many timeshares have certain sections of their resorts designated for dog friendly.

Many in the Smokey Mts do. In fact I think it would be so popular ownership there would be must so one could book at 11 months out. There is a thread on one of the other forums here, either Theme Parks or Resorts about how many dogs are being seen at Disney lately.
 
Many timeshares have certain sections of their resorts designated for dog friendly.
Fewer than there used to be, though. Silverleaf was very pet-friendly, but recently discontinued that practice.
 
I like Pop Century, too. But from a purely marketing standpoint, it is perception, perception, perception. A value class DVC would dilute the DVC brand for marketing, just as you won't see See's Candies or Godiva Chocolates selling Hershey bars and M&Ms. It isn't what people expect from DVC. Unless they spend big bucks adding/upgrading amenities, and bus/boat services, it would overcrowd everything.

If it was dubbed a "value class" DVC resort, it is doubtful it would sell for $100 or more per point. Or it would require many, many fewer points per night, so not as many points would be sold to each buyer...neither of which makes good marketing sense for the brand.

I think that there already is a perceived "class" or "tier" of DVC. No knock on OKW, which I love, is somewhat viewed as the value DVC, if for no other reason than its significantly lower points. I think SSR is viewed on this "lower tier" to some degree as well, although the points aren't low enough to reflect this perception (which is one reason I think SSR is the least in-demand of the DVCs). I know many like that they are stand alone resorts, including myself at times, but the connection of the other DVCs to deluxe resorts give them a "higher class" perception.

On the flip side, BLT is perceived (and marketed) as a higher tiered resort (largely due to its location) as is reflected in its higher buy-in and points cost. BCV and BWV (to a lesser degree) also have this "higher-end" aura. If I were to rate how I think the WDW DVC "tiers" are perceived (and this by no means reflects my preferences), it would be: BLT, BCV, BWV, VWL, AKV, SSR, and OKW.

And we all know already that there are value options within individual resorts as well, namely AKV and BWV.

All that said, I think they could easily market a DVC that was perceived as more "value" than "deluxe". They certainly shouldn't call it a "value" DVC, but if they had the right combination of draws and point costs, I think a lower cost (in $$ and points) DVC could be quite successful.

For example, a stand alone resort near the campground and old RC could do quite well as a lower point resort without all the deluxe hotel-like amenities simply due to access to MK. Similarly, a stand alone resort, lower cost/point resort with no proximity to anything could do well, if say they build a superior pool area akin to SAB.

I don't think marketing and sales of a more "value" oriented DVC would be very difficult if done right. And I don't think maintaining a high occupancy at one would be difficult either since a lot of us look for ways to stretch out our points, again if its done right. I really think SSR would be a very attractive option in itself, and wouldn't have the occupancy issues it does, if they would have kept the point requirements closer to the OKW points, made rooms bigger, and/or did something to set it apart from the other resorts to off-set its perceived shortcomings (e.g., location, apartment building feel, etc.) For example, if they were to build up their pool area to something like SAB, you bet SSR would be much more in demand.

The big question is why would DVD do any of this? If they can build and sell a "value" DVC resort with diminished amenities and draws at a point premium by pushing the ability to stay at the other resorts, why wouldn't they?
 
The big question is why would DVD do any of this? If they can build and sell a "value" DVC resort with diminished amenities and draws at a point premium by pushing the ability to stay at the other resorts, why wouldn't they?

I agree, it is all based upon perception, and that the condo style resorts of OKW and SSR are perceived by many as a "lower tier."

But, I think the perception of a Fort Wilderness resort will be even worse, even if it is a lovely resort. The building costs would be about the same per square foot as BLT. So, if as you say (and I agree) it would take less points or a lower per point sale price, what is the advantage to Disney? Especially if they continue to ask $100 for add ons at existing resorts (including BLT), why not buy Ft. W at a discounted price and stay at BLT? How would BLT owners feel about that? Again, perception, perception, perception. BLT is itself a large resort, and likely would not book full during the 11 month priority window.
 
The cabins at FW are not cheap. They are comparable in price to a standard view at WL. I used to love staying at the cabins there. FW is large with a lot of fun things to do. I would love to see a DVC with cabins like they have at FW. Very peaceful and relaxing! They would fit in with the old west theme too.
 
Are the THV in high demand at SSR?

Would the RC area be a good place for more THV?
 
THV is in very high demand by current owners, but I do not think that has translated into many new contracts for SSR points as I do not think DVC has declared additional THV's into inventory since an initial 50% declaration.

The FW cabins do have a larger sleeping capacity that makes them an unbeatable value for larger families.

Rather than making a lower amenity DVC resort to sell cheaper, I'd like to see them do something innovative, like, say a reverse lockoff. (Get a romance suite: king bed and whirlpool, no kitchen/living, for studio points. Get a 'family suite', 2 queens, pullouts and full kitchen for a 7 capacity at 1br points. Add the option for an attached family suite or 2BR for more affordable point large gatherings.....)
 
THV is in very high demand by current owners, but I do not think that has translated into many new contracts for SSR points as I do not think DVC has declared additional THV's into inventory since an initial 50% declaration.

The FW cabins do have a larger sleeping capacity that makes them an unbeatable value for larger families.

Rather than making a lower amenity DVC resort to sell cheaper, I'd like to see them do something innovative, like, say a reverse lockoff. (Get a romance suite: king bed and whirlpool, no kitchen/living, for studio points. Get a 'family suite', 2 queens, pullouts and full kitchen for a 7 capacity at 1br points. Add the option for an attached family suite or 2BR for more affordable point large gatherings.....)

A studio with a king, and 2 queens in a master suite is an interesting thought, but I don't think it would be practical. It would certainly almost eliminate the possibility of trading outside the DVC system for that resort, especially with RCI or II. And many intra-DVC owners put more than 2 people in a studio.
 
THV is in very high demand by current owners, but I do not think that has translated into many new contracts for SSR points as I do not think DVC has declared additional THV's into inventory since an initial 50% declaration.

The FW cabins do have a larger sleeping capacity that makes them an unbeatable value for larger families.

Rather than making a lower amenity DVC resort to sell cheaper, I'd like to see them do something innovative, like, say a reverse lockoff. (Get a romance suite: king bed and whirlpool, no kitchen/living, for studio points. Get a 'family suite', 2 queens, pullouts and full kitchen for a 7 capacity at 1br points. Add the option for an attached family suite or 2BR for more affordable point large gatherings.....)
I would agree there are opportunities here though I doubt they'll stray too much from the current basic layout/occupancy. More likely they'll try to offer something unique from a theming standpoint. I don't know if there is room but if so, a cabin option could be a good one given the location.
 
Are the THV in high demand at SSR?

Would the RC area be a good place for more THV?

THV's are attracting quite a few people, but I think the lack of declaring more has been just due to the economy and trying to sell points at SSR compared to resales that are out there. I think you might see more of the THV's declared later when there is a better market to put them out there in.

As far as more THV's, I don't think they would be very successful as a stand alone resort. The original THV's are attached to SSR, giving owners home resort options of all room sizes and not being locked into just THV's. Also, the treehouses are designed to be remote and people staying there go to SSR for most of their deluxe amnenities (one of the biggest complaints, yet it isn't even that far) so if they didn't have more attached to a resort somewhere it would cause some issues IMHO.
 
My DH has already informed me that if a River Country DVC comes to be we are selling 1 of our contracts to buy there. He has a life long love of FW. The entire area is just gorgeous.

Another Poster said it would be hard to sell a DVC near a Campground but isn't that what VWL is?

I don't think there will be any such thing as a "value" DVC I think they could build another "lodge" type structure and add a nice restaurant and other amenities. But the Fort already has amazing recreation on par with most of the Deluxes I would say.
 
I would agree there are opportunities here though I doubt they'll stray too much from the current basic layout/occupancy. More likely they'll try to offer something unique from a theming standpoint. I don't know if there is room but if so, a cabin option could be a good one given the location.

I would bet individual cabins would have pretty high maintenance dues, though, single story individual units with any landscaping surely cost more to maintain than multi-occupant multi-story uinits.
 
As far as more THV's, I don't think they would be very successful as a stand alone resort. The original THV's are attached to SSR, giving owners home resort options of all room sizes and not being locked into just THV's. Also, the treehouses are designed to be remote and people staying there go to SSR for most of their deluxe amnenities (one of the biggest complaints, yet it isn't even that far) so if they didn't have more attached to a resort somewhere it would cause some issues IMHO.

I thought for that reason alone, if a THV/FW Cabin type of DVC had its own proper HH, great resort pool//water slide (not the boring, dinky thing they have now at THV), QS snack bar, restaurant, tennis/basketball court, golf carts, bicycles, a themed great fortress play ground for the kids, it would be successful. I think the remoteness of amenities and the sharing of those amenities with SSR, has handicapped the Treehouse Villas!
 
The FW cabins do have a larger sleeping capacity that makes them an unbeatable value for larger families.

Rather than making a lower amenity DVC resort to sell cheaper, I'd like to see them do something innovative, like, say a reverse lockoff. (Get a romance suite: king bed and whirlpool, no kitchen/living, for studio points. Get a 'family suite', 2 queens, pullouts and full kitchen for a 7 capacity at 1br points. Add the option for an attached family suite or 2BR for more affordable point large gatherings.....)[/QUOTE]

I love these options! I wish they did have 1 resort with 2 queen beds in the master and a pull out sofa so families of 6 could enjoy and afford a 1 bedroom. I know if this was an option we would have bought in much sooner and let the kids have the master while DH and I sleep on the sofa since we are last to go to bed and 1st to get up in the morning! Okay well that was the way it used to be, now teens way out last us at night! :laughing:
 
Let me take this a different direction: Could they be clearing River Country to build a Bridge, Tunnel, Boat Launch from River Country to Discovery Island. If you look at the map, that property is the shortest route to Discovery Island and would be the logical place if that was the plan.

Rumors of a DVC or Honeymoon cottages has been discussed before on these threads.
 



















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