those NOT vaccinating against H1N1 - tell me why

[*Fantasia*]

My two children will be getting the vaccination.. But my little one has high allergy and his Dr. said he can't have the vaccination.. I'm planning to get one. I just can't afford to get sick..

 

[Deb in IA]

Okay! Enough! You don't have to have the same opinions, but as medical professionals, this squabbling is beneath both of you! Deb is a doctor (I know this to be a fact). You are a L&D nurse. Stop questioning her credentials. I think the OP is smart enough to ask her OB his opinion and make up her own mind.

Sorry, but this type of arguing just hits a wrong nerve.

OK.
The misquotes and inaccuracies attributed to me are obvious, but I WILL take the high road and NOT respond.

But it irritates me to no end when people claim I say things that I did not. I WILL defend myself against personal attacks and lies.

 

[DutchsMommy]

I have no basis in fact for my post - just how I feel.....I dont particularly trust the vaccine, and worry that it has been pushed through too quickly to gauge side effects (remember - I have no basis in fact here ).

So, for me I am not getting it. I also have never gotten the flu shot so I suppose you can say it is a trend.

Having said that, we had a healthy 13 yo boy die over the weekend from H1N1 here in Toronto and that has frightened me. But, being the doubter, I wonder if similar deaths occur every year from the 'regular' flu and the media hype over H1N1 is just making everyone super-sensitized?

Our flu clinics just started here this week for high risk categories and multi-hour wait times have been reported at almost all centres - so obviously the media is affecting alot of people.

 

[AshleyW]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34119902]my point is that you as an M'D as you claim....should now better than to give anyone medical advice as you did on vaccines or any other medicine that are not your patients. You have no idea about their medical history.

You told her she needs to reconsider.....you said and i quote...

"And since you are pregnant, please reconsider your decision."

You should have just told her that yes you are getting it however you are not my patient and being that you are pregnant you need to talk to your OB about your options. [/QUOTE]

My two cents: if I was pregnant and didn't realize I was in a high risk group for an illness, I would appreciate a doctor letting me know that I WAS, in fact, in a high risk group. Even if it wasn't MY ob/gyn.

That being said.. I will not be getting the shot. I've gotten the seasonal flu shot once, and it made me incredibly sick. Outside of that, I've never had the flu and am generally against most vaccines unless they're absolutely necessary - so, I'll save them for those who really need them, like the pregnant women and other high risk groups.

 

["Got Disney"]

OK.
The misquotes and inaccuracies attributed to me are obvious, but I WILL take the high road and NOT respond.

But it irritates me to no end when people claim I say things that I did not. I WILL defend myself against personal attacks and lies.

What personal attachs and lies...did you not say...better to get the shot than die? and did you not tell the patient to do this ....

"And since you are pregnant, please reconsider your decision."

or are you talking about something else? If you are state it and I will correct it if I am wrong. And as for inaccuracies you claim....I have stated none. I am only going whith what you have posted here and on the other H1N1 threads.....

I am not trying to do battle with you...really I am not. I have seen in to many cases where OB patients have come into L&D following advice of family members, friends and people they dont know only to have complications do to it. So yes maybe I got a little out of hand when you told her to reconsider her decision and remark about better off getting the vaccine than dead....or how did you put it...Better off than dead.....
yes I can post the quotes here if you would like.

To me and my opinion is that for you as a Doctor it is wrong. I have 28 years of Obstetrics behind my belt...I dont come unarmed.

so if you are talking about something else that I misquoted you on please bring it forth so I can correct it. And we can carry on. I am a little protective when it comes to advice to someone that is pregnant. And if you are a Doctor than you should at least appreciate that.

 

[Planogirl]

I think telling someone to reconsider is just that, consider your options carefully. Nothing more and nothing less.

I think that it's very important for people to be aware of the truth. This thread is full of inaccuracies and nonsense and I can't begin to imagine what other rumors might be circulating out there.

 

["Got Disney"]

Deb.....I say we just move on....sorry if I offended you in anyway.....that was not my intention. Please be sure to let us know of any research or info you find on the H1N1....we can use all we can get.

lets me friends....

 

[mefordis]

Hmmm... You are the only one on this thread who comes close to sounding like a real M.D. Good advice. I hope the pregnant poster (sorry, forgot your username) listens to YOUR advice.

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34118073]No words put in your mouth....you posted it on your post see above....Scared is better than dead.....

One thing i have learned in all my years of being a L&D nurse is you never ever give advice to someone that is pregnant. Mostly when it comes to vaccines or any meds......I have ran across many woman that have had the flu during Pregnancy and the main thing that is worried about is Dehydration from Vomiting. In 90% of the cases that I have treated in the Hospital from the flu have been due to this.

And keep in mind that there are 100's of flu viruses every year. The vaccines only target the strain that they think will be the worst one. You can still get the seasonal flu shot and the H1N1 and still get a flu virus.

Again I will refer this person/poster back to her OB and let them decide what is a good call for her. That is who she needs to talk with about the complications of getting it or not getting it during her pregnancy.

Not us.[/QUOTE]

 

[mefordis]

Uh, let me help out. She quoted you above as saying, "Better to be scared than dead".

Still waiting for YOU to answer the question:



And if you can't then you are putting words in my mouth.

 

[mookie]

Uh, let me help out. She quoted you above as saying, "Better to be scared than dead".

Okay, all...seriously! We are beating a dead horse here. (I just realized how that sounded...especially with the talk of "scared than dead." LOL!)

But SERIOUSLY!!! Can we please put this particular issue aside! There are too many people on this thread (myself included) who are really trying to help the OP (and others) and collectively understand h1n1 better. Your personal arguement between the two of you is clogging that up. No offense, but I come on this thread to hear and see others opinions...not to weed through the bickering.

 

[kpm76]

I think one thing we can all agree upon is that we want to do what is best for our family and every situation is different so there is no one size fits all. My 2 yr old DD is vaccinated but I worked with my ped to develop a schedule that I was comfortable with and worked for us. I did my due diligence with the H1N1 vax and I feel I made the best choice for my DD by giving her the mist. Regardless of what we as parents choose to do, vax or not, it's a risk. We all have to conduct a risk benefit analysis and decide what we think is best. If you vax, can you live with the consequences of there potentially being an adverse reaction? Similarly, if you don't vax and your child gets H1N1 and is severely ill or God forbid dies, can you live with that? For us the benefit of the vax outweighed the risk. Another family may make a different decision and we should respect that. The misinformation is unfortunate but there's not much to be done about that I suppose.

FWIW, I worry about thimersol as well and DD had the mist so no thimersol concerns. Interestingly though I read that there is 4 times as much mercury in a can of tuna than in a vaccine with the preservative thimersol.

Sadly, a seemingly healthy 12 year old girl in our community just died. She did have H1N1 and only started exhibiting symptoms on Friday. By yesterday she was dead. On the surface she did not have any underlying health issues but they have not ruled H1N1 to be the cause of death yet.

 

[lsyorke]

Interesting story, but I think they're working with out-dated data. From this chart from the CDC, something clearly changed in the world of flu bugs several weeks ago: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2009-2010/picILI40.htm CBS says their data is from July!!!

This doesn't change the fact that states are not testing for h1n1. I have no clue how the CDC is reporting accurate data, when none is being gathered.

 

[Geoff_M]

This doesn't change the fact that states are not testing for h1n1. I have no clue how the CDC is reporting accurate data, when none is being gathered.

However, many hospitals are. On a talk radio program on the way home this evening they had two docs on: one was an ER doc from Texas and the other was the type of doctor that you see YouTube videos of posted on these threads. The anti-vax doc cited the CBS web story with the July data and tried to sow the seed of doubt about how the current flu has little or almost nothing to actually due with H1N1. The Texas doc calmly then stated that they've treated more children in his ER in the past week then at any time in his career (he sounded to be in his 40's or 50's), they'd had to put 4 kids on (he used an acronym that appeared to be a ventilator) during that time, and they are doing local testing on the patients walking into the ER with "flu-like illness" and they overwhelmingly tested positive for H1N1.

 

[Colleen27]

I'm still on the fence, but my reasons for leaning towards no are the same reasons why we don't get seasonal flu vaccines - we're all healthy with no underlying or potentially complicating conditions and I don't think that the risk from the flu is significant enough to warrant an additional vaccination. For the most part, I believe we should allow our bodies to work as naturally as possible and save precautions like vaccination for serious diseases.

Only the fact that this flu has been more serious for children (and the more frivolous concerns regarding the trips we have planned for Dec and Jan) keeps me from being a firm "no". Right now, the vaccine isn't even available to us yet, and I probably won't make my decision until it is.

 

[DarthKTrava]

From an uneducated guess from a friend, I had it back in May.

I don't get the flu shot so why should I take this one?

I HATE NEEDLES!

 

[Mouse House Mama]

No. None of us will get either shot. I don't think that H1N1 has been tested enough. We have no idea of the long term effects of it. I feel the same way about the flu shot. Since they are only a guess as what what strain will hit (and they have been wrong) I have no confidence in it and will not give any additional vaccines that imo are not necessary. There are also many health care professionals that I have spoken to that would not give their own children the H1N1 shots.