This surprised me...

[SplshMtnLvr28]

I'm pro-choice. Especially in cases of rape and incest.

I think it's the woman's choice, not the father's, her parent's, whomever.

Can you imagine how hard it would be for someone to get an abortion? Knowing they're killing a future human being?

So, it annoys the hell out of me when people go around wearing all their pro-life garb and whatnot. Do you think she wants to be reminded of it constantly? I was in WDW, and saw a whole family wearing pro-life shirts. Wow, talk about ruining the magic.

Now, don't get me wrong, I accept y'alls opinions. So yeah.

 

[Babyjustrun]

Honestly, I don't want a kid. I never want one, but If I were ever in that case (which I don't plan on being) I think I'd go through with it. I'd hate every second of the pregnancy and the first whole year, but I think I'd get used to it.
I'd rather see someone go through with it and give the baby away, or keep the baby than get an abortion. But if there's issues with the mother, with her health or her mental stability, then if they believe it's necessary, they can go ahead and do it.

 

[GirlWithSpunk]

I am pro-life, so I am against abortion. I think it should be illegal.

oh ok. I'm with you, so I would suppport you all the way.
I think that abortion is just wrong.

 

[Loves Disney]

All you guys who mentioned your reason for being pro-choice was used in my presentation. If you don't mind me saying, I am going to use some of your comments to prove why I am pro-life lol.

One said that it's the mother's choice and we should have to tell them what to do. Weellll....what would you say to this, "I don't think we should have to tell parents not to abuse their children. It's their children, if they want to abuse them, let them"?

Someone said making it illegal will force back-alley abortions. I actually concluded my presentation (I made it to resemble the show "Law and Order" so I had a "Verdict" part to my presentation at the end) by saying the jury was hung. They all couldn't agree on making abortions illegal and it is virtually impossible to have everyone agree. Therefore abortions will remain legal for now...despite strong cases against them. However, about the back-alley abortions, people will have them no matter what. Legal or not legal. Some girls are too embarrassed to have an abortion and have to tell a doctor that she is, say, 15, and pregnant. Also, in some states no girl can have an abortion without parental consent. They will have back-alley abortions legal or not. However, there are A TON of new and improved shelters, care-takers, and other places where a pregnant girl can go to get help without resorting to abortions...back-alley or not.

I heard one senario where if the girl had to have an abortion or she would die. That is proved untrue. Abortions do not have to be performed to keep a mother alive.

Someone mentioned rape? Well for every 1,000 rape cases, only 2 result with pregnancies. Also, adoption is a good way to give the child life even if the mother can't support the baby. People argue it isn't because it puts stress on the mother. That is not true also. Abortions are proven to give the mother more emotional stress than adopting the child to a family that can love the child.

Can you imagine how hard it would be for someone to get an abortion? Knowing they're killing a future human being?

So, it annoys the hell out of me when people go around wearing all their pro-life garb and whatnot. Do you think she wants to be reminded of it constantly? I was in WDW, and saw a whole family wearing pro-life shirts. Wow, talk about ruining the magic.

Exactly my point. The mother has to live with the fact that she had killed a baby. Without aborting, the stress of that end would not be there.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to become a debate on abortion rofl. I just wanted to point those few things out rofl.

 

[MuNkY]

All you guys who mentioned your reason for being pro-choice was used in my presentation. If you don't mind me saying, I am going to use some of your comments to prove why I am pro-life lol.

One said that it's the mother's choice and we should have to tell them what to do. Weellll....what would you say to this, "I don't think we should have to tell parents not to abuse their children. It's their children, if they want to abuse them, let them"?

Someone said making it illegal will force back-alley abortions. I actually concluded my presentation (I made it to resemble the show "Law and Order" so I had a "Verdict" part to my presentation at the end) by saying the jury was hung. They all couldn't agree on making abortions illegal and it is virtually impossible to have everyone agree. Therefore abortions will remain legal for now...despite strong cases against them. However, about the back-alley abortions, people will have them no matter what. Legal or not legal. Some girls are too embarrassed to have an abortion and have to tell a doctor that she is, say, 15, and pregnant. Also, in some states no girl can have an abortion without parental consent. They will have back-alley abortions legal or not. However, there are A TON of new and improved shelters, care-takers, and other places where a pregnant girl can go to get help without resorting to abortions...back-alley or not.

I heard one senario where if the girl had to have an abortion or she would die. That is proved untrue. Abortions do not have to be performed to keep a mother alive.

Someone mentioned rape? Well for every 1,000 rape cases, only 2 result with pregnancies. Also, adoption is a good way to give the child life even if the mother can't support the baby. People argue it isn't because it puts stress on the mother. That is not true also. Abortions are proven to give the mother more emotional stress than adopting the child to a family that can love the child.



Exactly my point. The mother has to live with the fact that she had killed a baby. Without aborting, the stress of that end would not be there.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to become a debate on abortion rofl. I just wanted to point those few things out rofl.

I just want to ask you if you'd put, say, a 12-13 year old girl through child birth.

 

[JediDan2773]

Rape... Abortion...


Wouldn't it be so much easier if we were amoeba?

 

[Sparx]

The only time I'll ever support abortion is if a child/teenager was raped. The average girl starts her period around 12 years old. If I'd be raped and became pregnant, physically, I wouldn't have been able to handle pregnancy/childbirth. I wouldn't ask anyone else to do that.

But I could never have an abortion.

 

[SplshMtnLvr28]

The only time I'll ever support abortion is if a child/teenager was raped. The average girl starts her period around 12 years old. If I'd be raped and became pregnant, physically, I wouldn't have been able to handle pregnancy/childbirth. I wouldn't ask anyone else to do that.

But I could never have an abortion.

Why won't you support it in cases of an adult woman that was raped?

 

[Sparx]

Why won't you support it in cases of an adult woman that was raped?

I have very strong opinions on abortion. I believe that it is murder. Plain and simple. Rape is an evil evil evil crime, a crime that I put on the level of murder.

Everyone isn't good. My mom was a social worker, and I've seen the good, bad, and ugly of the "other side of the tracks". I've seen women who couldn't be left alone with men because they'd scream "RAPE". Just out of sheer meaness. I guess the point I'm trying to get to is that if you single it out for rape victims, you have to prove that they were indeed raped. Further victimizing the victim and just proving the liar to be a liar. Which is wrong to the victim. I know there are women out there who would cry "rape" to get rid of an unwanted child, even if rape wasn't the cause. I've met these women.

I don't know of an 11 year old who would cry rape just because she didn't want to make daddy mad.

If you single it out just for rape victims, sure, the victims would use it, but you would also have a huge amount of people who just CLAIM rape, and because no one wants to hurt the victim, they won't be investigated.

If I was raped, and I became pregnant, I could not have an abortion. I couldn't live with that.

I would never deny a woman of an abortion, but I wouldn't agree with her decision. I guess I should've said "agree" with, in my post.

 

[Babyjustrun]

When you're as young as 11, 12, 13, those kids are mostly not mentally, or physically ready for that. They are still going through changes, growing up and such

I heard one senario where if the girl had to have an abortion or she would die. That is proved untrue. Abortions do not have to be performed to keep a mother alive.

You may have been referring to what I posted. What I meant, was if the mother was mentally ill and she would not be able to care for the baby properly, not understanding it was a tiny child, not remembering stuff, etc.

 

[PrincessKally]

When you're as young as 11, 12, 13, those kids are mostly not mentally, or physically ready for that. They are still going through changes, growing up and such
I heard one senario where if the girl had to have an abortion or she would die. That is proved untrue. Abortions do not have to be performed to keep a mother alive.

You may have been referring to what I posted. What I meant, was if the mother was mentally ill and she would not be able to care for the baby properly, not understanding it was a tiny child, not remembering stuff, etc.

I jsut fnished my health class, and passed with flying colors. One of the big things we talking about in Sex ed, is about being physically and emotionally ready for a baby. Even at ages 11,12,13 and 14 even though your hormones are raging and your sexual organs are ready for action, you are not physically capable of carrying a child, and young girls of that age can die in child birth. That is a horrible thing to think about. 1.) the fact that girls are having sex so early 2.) them dieing through child birth.
I guess I really do have mixed emotions and opinions when it comes to abortion. It makes me feel sad, but then again sometimes depending on the situation its a possibilty. I think if your 17 or so and you get pregant give it up for adoption not abortion.
An abortion can screw up your reproductive system and then you can never get fertile and have a baby.....hmmm I don't know which direction I fall in this debate.

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to become a debate on abortion rofl. I just wanted to point those few things out rofl.

No offence, but I got the impression that proving your point about abortion and trying to ''make us see how wrong it is'' was the only reason that you started this thread.

Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's honestly what I got the impression of. Don't flame me if I am wrong about this, it's just the impression that I got.

~C.B.

 

[JediDan2773]

I have very strong opinions on abortion. I believe that it is murder. Plain and simple. Rape is an evil evil evil crime, a crime that I put on the level of murder.

Everyone isn't good. My mom was a social worker, and I've seen the good, bad, and ugly of the "other side of the tracks". I've seen women who couldn't be left alone with men because they'd scream "RAPE". Just out of sheer meaness. I guess the point I'm trying to get to is that if you single it out for rape victims, you have to prove that they were indeed raped. Further victimizing the victim and just proving the liar to be a liar. Which is wrong to the victim. I know there are women out there who would cry "rape" to get rid of an unwanted child, even if rape wasn't the cause. I've met these women.

I don't know of an 11 year old who would cry rape just because she didn't want to make daddy mad.

If you single it out just for rape victims, sure, the victims would use it, but you would also have a huge amount of people who just CLAIM rape, and because no one wants to hurt the victim, they won't be investigated.

If I was raped, and I became pregnant, I could not have an abortion. I couldn't live with that.

I would never deny a woman of an abortion, but I wouldn't agree with her decision. I guess I should've said "agree" with, in my post.

I pretty much feel the same way about all that, but I've never met those women.

 

[Sparx]

No offence, but I got the impression that proving your point about abortion and trying to ''make us see how wrong it is'' was the only reason that you started this thread.

Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's honestly what I got the impression of. Don't flame me if I am wrong about this, it's just the impression that I got.

~C.B.

I didn't take it that way. I took it as she was asking if we would speak our mind in a situation like that, when none of her classmates did.

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

I didn't take it that way. I took it as she was asking if we would speak our mind in a situation like that, when none of her classmates did.

People interpret things differently. I got the strong sense that that was just a cover story, without directly bringing up such a controversial topic; I think her first post could have been worded without mentioning the speech topic.

Sorry Shelby, I can't help the way that I interpret things.

~C.B.

 

[Sparx]

People interpret things differently. I got the strong sense that that was just a cover story, without directly bringing up such a controversial topic; I think her first post could have been worded without mentioning the speech topic.

Sorry Shelby, I can't help the way that I interpret things.

~C.B.

I was just posting the way I interpreted it. I didn't mean that you were wrong. Hell, you might be right, and I'm wrong.

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

I was just posting the way I interpreted it. I didn't mean that you were wrong. Hell, you might be right, and I'm wrong.

And I could always be wrong.

But we don't know what Loves_Disney was thinking at the time she posted, even if she denies either of our suggestions we will never truly know what she was thinking at the time. We aren't inside of her head, after all.

~C.B.

 

[Loves Disney]

Sparx is right. I brought up the topic to show that it is a majorly controversial topic...if it were any other minor topic, I wouldn't care or wonder why people didn't speak out against me lol. The point of this thread was to see if any of you guys would speak out in class against a presentation just made, or if you would murmer to others speaking your mind. Being the only one in my class pro-life, I was surprised that no one said anything. My intentions were not to debate pro-life against pro-choice

I just want to ask you if you'd put, say, a 12-13 year old girl through child birth.

Yes. Like I said before, 2 out of 1,000 rape cases result in pregnancies. If this were a case of rape, I would of course feel awful for the mother being so young and all, but there are places she can go to get herself ready physically and emotionally. As far as her being able to take care of the child, there are shelters and places that would be 10 times better for the child, or adoption is a good way to go. If it wasn't a rape case, the child shouldn't be in that situation in the first place.

The only time I'll ever support abortion is if a child/teenager was raped.

Not to sound nasty (cause I mean this in a nice voice lol) but how does that make it any less murder? How does that constitute the killing of a child? The age of the mother is just the age of the mother and though very young, there are better alternatives than abortion. Such as I previous said.

You may have been referring to what I posted. What I meant, was if the mother was mentally ill and she would not be able to care for the baby properly, not understanding it was a tiny child, not remembering stuff, etc.

That is when adopting or taking the child to place for care is a good idea. Killing the child may be the easy way out, but certainly not the best idea

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

Sparx is right. I brought up the topic to show that it is a majorly controversial topic...if it were any other minor topic, I wouldn't care or wonder why people didn't speak out against me lol. The point of this thread was to see if any of you guys would speak out in class against a presentation just made, or if you would murmer to others speaking your mind. Being the only one in my class pro-life, I was surprised that no one said anything. My intentions were not to debate pro-life against pro-choice




Yes. Like I said before, 2 out of 1,000 rape cases result in pregnancies. If this were a case of rape, I would of course feel awful for the mother being so young and all, but there are places she can go to get herself ready physically and emotionally. As far as her being able to take care of the child, there are shelters and places that would be 10 times better for the child, or adoption is a good way to go. If it wasn't a rape case, the child shouldn't be in that situation in the first place.



Not to sound nasty (cause I mean this in a nice voice lol) but how does that make it any less murder? How does that constitute the killing of a child? The age of the mother is just the age of the mother and though very young, there are better alternatives than abortion. Such as I previous said.



That is when adopting or taking the child to place for care is a good idea. Killing the child may be the easy way out, but certainly not the best idea

Like I said, the impression I got was based on your posts. I don't want to start anything here, I just wanted to tell you how I interpreted what you said.

I am really sorry, but if you didn't want to turn it into a debate then why are you trying to prove all of your points, instead of keeping your thread on topic? You make a strong, firm, argument, but I am still pro-choice. Not every point can be proven, I think some of us (including myself) need to realize that our opinions are not going to change based on this debate. Let's not make it into a personal thing, I just don't agree with how you seem to be contradicting yourself.

Further, I don't think any of us are in the right place to say that abortion is right or wrong. As far as I know, none of us have been in that situation and we really don't know what it's like.

Can we bring this thread back on topic, please?

~C.B.

 

[Loves Disney]

Like I said, the impression I got was based on your posts. I don't want to start anything here, I just wanted to tell you how I interpreted what you said.

I am really sorry, but if you didn't want to turn it into a debate then why are you trying to prove all of your points, instead of keeping your thread on topic? You make a strong, firm, argument, but I am still pro-choice. Not every point can be proven, I think some of us (including myself) need to realize that our opinions are not going to change based on this debate. Let's not make it into a personal thing, I just don't agree with how you seem to be contradicting yourself.

Can we bring this thread back on topic, please?

~C.B.

My initial intentions were not to take it to a debate on abortion. I don't mind where it has gone and I know I only encouraged it after I posted my first post with my points...that is the one where I appologized to taking it that way. I am also not saying you MUST be pro-life, I'm only giving my opinion which is okay, I think lol. I am sorry I come across as contradicting myself, but from what I see, I'm not.