This old lady at Ikea went off on my kid today.

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Ahhhh....I see! And why is a misbehaving child called a "snowflake"? Just as a reference or was it something from one of those previous threads that brought that name to the fore?

I don't know who originally coined it, but I've seen it on lots of threads here on the Dis. Basically a child is a Snowflake if her parent thinks she's so perfect and unique and fragile that everyone must treat her as though she's the most special and wonderful person ever to walk the earth. And of course if you say "No" to her or correct her, she'll melt. It's more a reflection on the parent than the child, really.
 
oh that behavior must have been so funny for everyone in the store:rolleyes:

I'm glad the woman said something....elderly or not enough is enough.


jesus h. Christ

no one was laughing. No one said it was funny.
 
It's not really a reference to the child as much as the parent. A snowflake has parents who think the child can do no wrong and the world should go out of its way to cater to said child.

Also because every snowflake is unique and the only one in the world, which should be cherished and worshipped by all, because there will never be another like it again. :rolleyes:

Okay, really, I'm leaving again. :rotfl:
 
Also because every snowflake is unique and the only one in the world, which should be cherished and worshipped by all, because there will never be another like it again. :rolleyes:

Okay, really, I'm leaving again. :rotfl:

Curious posters gotta know. Are you merely YAGEing or are you flouncing off in a huff (FOIAH)? lol
 

Curious posters gotta know. Are you merely YAGEing or are you flouncing off in a huff (FOIAH)? lol

I'm too fat to ever flounce, thank you very much. :laughing:

And I'm not YAGEing either.

Rather, I'm off to my horse farm, where there are dead horses that need to be beaten, so the old woman in IKEA won't be angry with me. Something needs to be beat, or she won't be happy. :cool2:
 
I don't know who originally coined it, but I've seen it on lots of threads here on the Dis. Basically a child is a Snowflake if her parent thinks she's so perfect and unique and fragile that everyone must treat her as though she's the most special and wonderful person ever to walk the earth. And of course if you say "No" to her or correct her, she'll melt. It's more a reflection on the parent than the child, really.

Okay, I gotcha now. :thumbsup2
 
OP didn't ask for parenting advice, but I think she found out not everyone agrees that the older woman was such a cranky codger.

I'm confused. Do you want the woman to mind her own business? And it's okay NOT to mind your own business if you're helpful, but please DO mind your own business if you're not being helpful? Can't have it both ways. It's either everyone elses business or it's not.

Oh, good grief. Lets take this from the top.

Since the roll of paper was NOT flying around the woman's head (which some posters, lost track of which ones, keep insinuating) and was in no danger of hitting the woman. ----the woman was in front of the OP, her child was walking up from behind her. doesn't seem possible to me for it to be flying around the woman's head unless her dd is some kind of magically paper roll twirler---- The child was "in her own world" by the OP's own words, so I would assume probably not saying anything or making any noises. So--we have nothing "flying around" the woman's head and no noise from the child. What exactly was bothering dear old granny? It was actually NONE OF HER BUSINESS.

BUT, IF she was hellbent on saying something; she could have at least been helpful. And when she saw that she wasn't being helpful in the least, she should have shut up.
 
No one here claims to be a perfect parent. I have 2 very strong willed children, and my oldest was my hardest. However, when she was 6, I have 4 other younger children. I needed her to mind me. If I ask my child to do something, and they don't do as I ask, I'll give him/her the benefit of the doubt, and ask one more time. After that, there is a consequence. I'm happy to say she is now 13, and has respect for authority (and not a rule-breaker at all - hates to be in trouble, unlike her younger self).

OP, have you thought about martial arts? Ds6 is my other strong willed child, but when he's in Tae Kwon Do, he is perfectly bahaved (and at home, I threaten to call instructor Mike...:lmao:). They teach respect for yourself, parents, teachers, and others.
 
I'm in the "mind your own business" camp. I try to be mindful that other people have feelings. If I had heard the OP going through that ordeal with her daughter, I would have simply thought to myself "I'm glad I'm not her!" I never would have carried on and embarassed her like that. She had enough on her plate, dealing with her unruly (at the moment) child. She didn't need to deal with some snotty, know-it-all woman.
 
Oh, good grief. Lets take this from the top.

Since the roll of paper was NOT flying around the woman's head (which some posters, lost track of which ones, keep insinuating) and was in no danger of hitting the woman. ----the woman was in front of the OP, her child was walking up from behind her. doesn't seem possible to me for it to be flying around the woman's head unless her dd is some kind of magically paper roll twirler---- The child was "in her own world" by the OP's own words, so I would assume probably not saying anything or making any noises. So--we have nothing "flying around" the woman's head and no noise from the child. What exactly was bothering dear old granny? It was actually NONE OF HER BUSINESS.

BUT, IF she was hellbent on saying something; she could have at least been helpful. And when she saw that she wasn't being helpful in the least, she should have shut up.

I agree.
I again have to say, what was the big deal with the poor kid who was just subjected to 2 hours in a store, twirling some paper, wasn't hurting anyone, wasn't in danger of whacking the woman over the head.
sounds to me it was bugging mom and no one else. and when she didn't listen right away it became a power struggle, an unnecessary power struggle.
just because kids are kids doesn't mean they don't deserve respect.
and to put yourself in the kids shoes of being in a store for 2 hours............hmmmm I would be annoyed too being in a store for 2 hours :)
 
I agree.
I again have to say, what was the big deal with the poor kid who was just subjected to 2 hours in a store, twirling some paper, wasn't hurting anyone, wasn't in danger of whacking the woman over the head.
sounds to me it was bugging mom and no one else. and when she didn't listen right away it became a power struggle, an unnecessary power struggle.
just because kids are kids doesn't mean they don't deserve respect.
and to put yourself in the kids shoes of being in a store for 2 hours............hmmmm I would be annoyed too being in a store for 2 hours :)

Some of you just don't get it. There's a time and place to play around and a store is not that time or place. I see parents shopping all the time and their kids are 10 plus feet behind them doing 'whatever', and the parent just keeps going, or jabs on their cell phone and basically ignores their child(ren).

Your children should be right next to you when you shop, and you should be aware of what they are doing at all times.

Even if the child wasn't hurting anyone.......YET.....with that roll of wrapping paper, something could have gotten knocked off a shelf, it could have eventually hit someone, and maybe people would have to dodge the child in order to not get hit, and last but not least, it's just not good manners to fling things around in stores.

Just because something isn't hurting anyone doesn't mean their behavior is acceptable. I get annoyed when people let their kids run up and down the isles at church. Does it hurt me, no. Last time I went out to eat, a family with 5 kids sat at a large booth next to me and the kids were running back and forth on the seats. Yes, that annoyed me---so did the constant whining and crying coming from the table. And the fact that the mother did nothing about it. It's just plain annoying.

Why wasn't your child standing with you in line to begin with? Why did you allow her to take the wrapping paper out of the cart and mess around with it to begin with? Weren't you worried that it 'might' end up knocking something over, or hit someone?

As for 'old people'.... some young people thought I was an old lady when I was 30 years old. What is an old person? If it was a senior citizen, be respectful and say that. Age is irrelavent to what happened.

I find that a lot of people (the 'offenders') never quite tell the whole story or truth. Maybe, just maybe, the mom was loud and nagging her daughter so much that it got on the 'old ladies' nerves. I think it's really annoying to hear parents loudly tell their kids things over and over and allow the child to ignore them. Sometimes I'd like to say something, too.

A six year old in therapy for authority issues is not the norm. And there is no humor to be found in that. You can get her all the therapy you want, OP, but if you don't make changes at HOME, the therapy will do nothing to help her.

Lastly, why is it that if a parent disciplines her child she is then called "holier than thou". We all have issues, but it's the way you HANDLE them that matters. Think about that.
 
Am I the only one who sees a business opportunity here? Rent-A-Codger.

Think about it...

For all the parents who have kids with problems listening, your RAC will follow you around backing up what you have to say. You tell your kid once or twice to do something and if they fail to follow the RAC will "hell raise" on them and snap them into shape.

And it's not only for parents looking for back-up.

Do you have neighbors who can't be bothered to effectively discipline their kids well then Rent-A-Codger can help! They will alternate codgers so the ineffective parent won't catch on as they follow them and their demon spawn around telling them at every opportunity that their lackluster attempts at parenting are pitiful. Our goal is that hopefully if enough "old ladies" tell them such it will start to sink in and they will adjust their parenting style accordingly.
 
"I think people in public should mind their own beeswax and keep their opinions and parenting critiques and advice to themselves"

I stayed out and ate my popcorn on the sidelines till now. This type of attitude is what is just making shopping, going to WDW, going to the theatre, etc. so unenjoyable these days. When you comport yourself and those around you do the same so you don't infringe on my right to an enjoyable, peaceful experience, people will stop butting in because there will not be anything to be upset about! A child juggling gift wrap, kids screaming, merchandise being manhandled, people pushing each other, adults who think yelling back and forth is okay, women with their "girls" hanging out or boys with their unders showing, and on and on.....it does affect us all and by being obnoxious with your behavior or not addressing the behavior completely of those you are responsible for (your kids!).....well you've just given me permission to gawk and/or comment. Your attitude is so short-sighted that it is laughable. You're like a smoker who thinks they have the right to have a cigarette wherever they want, regardless of the fact that their smoke is drifting over to others in the area who might not want to have that smoke in their air. Not one of us is the only person "in the moment" in any situation and we have lost sight of common civility and manners both in private and public. Yes, this statement is absolutely a sweeping general statement on our society as a whole.

As far as the OP and the original question.....a good rule of thumb to live by is that when one person tells you something, you can kind of shrug it off as inconsequential. When 2, 3, or 4 say it, you have to start wondering if there isn't some validity to what is being said. When a true majority says something is so, that should tell you something. We can all always find a single person or two to back us on even the wildest things, but usually the majority is in the right. Your original query was whether the older woman's response was appropriate and whether you had a right to be upset. I think you got the answer and it wasn't what you wanted to hear and now you feel compelled to refute every answer given. There is a difference between defending and being defensive. You are jumping at people for not having reading comprehension abilities. May I suggest that you go back and reread all of the comments here without that defensive attitude and really *hear* (comprehend!) what other Moms are trying to tell you.

:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:worship:


btw nice new signature OP:rolleyes:
 
I've also said, several times over, that my kid was not being mean, but was just not listening to me as I told her to put down the paper. She was smiling in la-la land, having fun. She didn't want me to stop that. I was irritated, but my child was not being mean. There are differences here... and little nuances that NONE of y'all were there to see.

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No she wasn't being mean. She was being rude and defiant. Probably not a trait you want her to continue with. A six year old ignoring you to twirl some wrapping paper seems innocent enough, but unless you change that rude and defiant attitude, she will turn into a 15 yo that ignores you when you tell her not to leave the house at 10 o'clock at night.
 
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