This may not be a popular opinion, but why is CA so insistent on getting Polanski??

Correct. I'm not excusing what he did 30 years ago nor am I calling it "no big deal". What I am saying is that it's been 30 years, the courts botched the 'justice' part of it and, what my biggest point is, has, and always will be, is this:

The victim is victimized, traumatized and has to relieve that dark time of her life every single time this case is brought up. My concern is for the victim of this incident. To repeatedly torture an innocent for the sake of satisfying some base personal need to express outrage is incredibly offensive to me. Those who behave in that manner demonstrate to me that they have no concern whatsoever for the victim - they just want blood to satisfy themselves.

The victim has strived for closure for 30 years. I fear she will never have true closure as long total strangers use this case for their own self-glorification purposes. To me, that alone is one of life's greatest sins: hurting, and continuing to hurt, another person so that you can advance your own selfish agenda.

Which is another point of mine. A bankrupt state has no business wasting money going after one single person who will likely not be "punished" in a manner that would satisfy any of the rabid bystanders.

Polanski is the only one to blame for the victim having to relive this in the media after 30 years.

If he had been a big boy and taken his lumps 30 years ago instead of running away like scared baby then she would not be going through this. Still, he fights it. It is his fault this is happening now. Don't blame the state of California for attempting to bring a FUGITIVE to justice. Don't blame people on a message board. Don't blame the media. Blame the perpetrator, blame the guilty one, blame the molester, blame the rapist, blame the one who is whining like a little witch and refusing to be sentenced for what he plead guilty for.

POLANSKI IS THE REASON THIS IS IN THE MEDIA 30 YEARS LATER. POLANSKI IS THE ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF CAUSING HER TO RELIVE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. He does not care about her. He sure as heck didn't then and he doesn't give a crap about her now. All he cares about is himself.
 
Polanski is the only one to blame for the victim having to relive this in the media after 30 years.

If he had been a big boy and taken his lumps 30 years ago instead of running away like scared baby then she would not be going through this. Still, he fights it. It is his fault this is happening now. Don't blame the state of California for attempting to bring a FUGITIVE to justice. Don't blame people on a message board. Don't blame the media. Blame the perpetrator, blame the guilty one, blame the molester, blame the rapist, blame the one who is whining like a little witch and refusing to be sentenced for what he plead guilty for.

POLANSKI IS THE REASON THIS IS IN THE MEDIA 30 YEARS LATER. POLANSKI IS THE ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF CAUSING HER TO RELIVE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. He does not care about her. He sure as heck didn't then and he doesn't give a crap about her now. All he cares about is himself.

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Shhh, stop taking sense. You are going to burst the bubble of some of the posters. They want to believe that Polanski is a model citizen (of what ever country) who is living a wonderful, giving and blameless life. Their whole argument is based on the fact that he is not a molester and this whole "sex with a 13 year old" was just a big misunderstanding or mistake. Or so it would seem in their posts.

Seriously? I haven't seen 1 person on here who hasn't admitted that the man is guilty as charged, nor are they disputing any of the facts that came out in the original case. Most are discussing the current situation, which is the Swiss government's decision to not grant extradition. And, for whatever reason, the United States' decision to not hand over the documents for the Swiss court to make the decision.

Perhaps I missed it, and could you point out those posts to me if they are around, but I haven't seen anyone saying the initial crime was some sort of misunderstanding, or not a crime. :confused3
 
Yeah, he did break the law, he admitted it. Remember that part? Are you not understanding this? Why don't you have a talk with your DH, the cop. Ask his views on criminals who admit their guilt then take off running before they are sentenced. Is he okay with just letting them go, never to be sentenced? Your response is the opposite of what I would expect from the wife of an LEO. :sad2: I'm sure he would be proud though. :thumbsup2

You post is condescending and insulting. You don't have any idea what people are feeling or what they have gone through in their life to bring them to that view. Your posts are so inflammatory that it seems like they are written for no other reason then to stir the pot. Why does this not surprise me? :headache:





Because the victim does not get to decide who the state will prosecute or let go. You really believe that the victim should decide something like this? You think a rape or molestation victim wants to get up in court and relive their experience for all the hear? I'm sure if it where up to them they would just rather that it all go away and that they be allowed to try their best to forget it and move on with their lives.

Thank goodness though that our justice system as a bit more sense then some of the people on this thread. If we allowed them to run it, there would be even more molesters and rapists running around on the streets, unprosecuted for previous crimes.


Shhh, stop taking sense. You are going to burst the bubble of some of the posters. They want to believe that Polanski is a model citizen (of what ever country) who is living a wonderful, giving and blameless life. Their whole argument is based on the fact that he is not a molester and this whole "sex with a 13 year old" was just a big misunderstanding or mistake. Or so it would seem in their posts.

And here you go and show them proof that he is still at it. :rolleyes1

What thread have you been reading? Who said he was a model citizen? Did I must of miss the "Sex with a 13 year was a misunderstanding" poster.
:confused3

So am I mistaken that because we don't necessarily agree with your point of view we're not making "Sense"?
 

But has he? I would think if he had, this fact would have been brought up over and over by now.

Well, that may be your point and the point of everyone else who leans towards torches, pitchforks and hangman's nooses whenever anyone brings up this subject (again and again - what? Is it sweeps week or something?). But it strengthens my argument that perhaps the facts have been played loose and fancy free for dramatic effect in order to activate the emotions of those who would be easily manipulated with a few choice words.

Which is exactly my point. If the man was/is a pedophile, and pedophiles cannot be cured, then in the 30 years since there would have been at least one more instance involving Pulanski. Good Grief - look at Michael Jackson and the hell he went through with his pedophelia. All the money in the world couldn't shut that stuff up. And Pulanski didn't have near the millions that MJ had.

I'm doubting that Pulanski is a pedophile. As I said, the facts have been twisted so much in the past 30 years that it's now just more drama so people can have some kind of justification for allowing the lizard brain to take over their higher reasoning functions.
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Seriously? I haven't seen 1 person on here who hasn't admitted that the man is guilty as charged, nor are they disputing any of the facts that came out in the original case. Most are discussing the current situation, which is the Swiss government's decision to not grant extradition. And, for whatever reason, the United States' decision to not hand over the documents for the Swiss court to make the decision.

Perhaps I missed it, and could you point out those posts to me if they are around, but I haven't seen anyone saying the initial crime was some sort of misunderstanding, or not a crime. :confused3

What thread have you been reading? Who said he was a model citizen? Did I must of miss the "Sex with a 13 year was a misunderstanding" poster.
:confused3

So am I mistaken that because we don't necessarily agree with your point of view we're not making "Sense"?

Both of you, please read above.


Polanski is the only one to blame for the victim having to relive this in the media after 30 years.

If he had been a big boy and taken his lumps 30 years ago instead of running away like scared baby then she would not be going through this. Still, he fights it. It is his fault this is happening now. Don't blame the state of California for attempting to bring a FUGITIVE to justice. Don't blame people on a message board. Don't blame the media. Blame the perpetrator, blame the guilty one, blame the molester, blame the rapist, blame the one who is whining like a little witch and refusing to be sentenced for what he plead guilty for.

POLANSKI IS THE REASON THIS IS IN THE MEDIA 30 YEARS LATER. POLANSKI IS THE ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF CAUSING HER TO RELIVE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. He does not care about her. He sure as heck didn't then and he doesn't give a crap about her now. All he cares about is himself.

Thank you. :thumbsup2
 
Both of you, please read above.

Even that 1 poster, however, never said the initial crime never happened. They were just questioning whether or not Mr. Polanski is a habitual sexual predator. This was done in response to people implying that he was roaming from country to country raping young girls, when there is no proof of that happening.

I still haven't seen anyone on here denying that the rape of a 13-year old girl is a horrible act and should be punished. Nor have I seen anyone say that the original act was never committed, or was some major misunderstanding.
 
While the debate of this case goes on, there are more pressing cases waiting to get started here in California.

Some of you may have heard of the case involving the junior high school student who shot his cross-dressing classmate(who had hit on him) to death in a classroom ambush? The defense team is trying for another 4 month delay.

The boyfriend who stabbed the mother's 7 or 8 year old son to death in the doorway of her apartment with a butcher knife? He is still years away from trial.

The couple stabbed in their beachfront home(children were present in the home) by a college dropout who might have done some work on the home. That house is up for foreclosure auction this month. Trial won't begin for at least 2 years.

These are local cases that are in the system and are costing tons of money. The case involving the junior high student will challenge the children's services employees to prove full procedures were followed. While cases like these await trial here in California, our court system is closing additional days due to budget cuts. Yes, money does come into play. Our state is broke! School days are being reduced, basic services for the poor are being eliminated, state employees are being threatened with earning minimum wage in order to balance the budget. Based upon what some posters are expressing, getting Polanski here for sentencing should take place regardless of cost. Sorry, numerous world courts are questioning the handling of this case. If the district attorney were not in an election, would he keep his name in the news with this case? All the US court or the California court had to do was provide the requested transcripts. Instead of providing the materials requested, the US and California demanded that the Swiss extradite Polanski.
The Swiss found that due to the information at hand, Polanski had satisfied the original sentence. While it is not up to us to decide if the sentence was adequate, the court charged with extraditing him to the US decided that the sentence had been served. Even though the Swiss did not decide to extradite, they did have Polanski under house arrest for 6-7 months while they investigated the request.
 
Polanski is the only one to blame for the victim having to relive this in the media after 30 years.

If he had been a big boy and taken his lumps 30 years ago instead of running away like scared baby then she would not be going through this. Still, he fights it. It is his fault this is happening now. Don't blame the state of California for attempting to bring a FUGITIVE to justice. Don't blame people on a message board. Don't blame the media. Blame the perpetrator, blame the guilty one, blame the molester, blame the rapist, blame the one who is whining like a little witch and refusing to be sentenced for what he plead guilty for.

POLANSKI IS THE REASON THIS IS IN THE MEDIA 30 YEARS LATER. POLANSKI IS THE ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF CAUSING HER TO RELIVE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. He does not care about her. He sure as heck didn't then and he doesn't give a crap about her now. All he cares about is himself.


Very true but the question wasn't whether or not he's a nice guy. The question was whether or not California should be spending wads of money on trying to get him extradited back to the states. Some thing that is looking to be more and more of a long shot.
 
This was done in response to people implying that he was roaming from country to country raping young girls, when there is no proof of that happening.
As I posted above, actress Charlotte Lewis would disagree with you personally.

I still haven't seen anyone on here denying that the rape of a 13-year old girl is a horrible act and should be punished. Nor have I seen anyone say that the original act was never committed, or was some major misunderstanding.
Yes, I think Heidict was engaging in a bit of hyperbole, but I understand the comment as many of the "leave Polanski alone" folks appear to operate on the misinformation that this was an isolated incident that happened long, long, ago and while it was technically a statutory "crime", as Whoopi said it best "It wasn't like 'rape', rape", but instead just an indiscretion on Polanski's part when he found himself alone with a doe-eyed infatuated teenager.
 
Seriously? I haven't seen 1 person on here who hasn't admitted that the man is guilty as charged, nor are they disputing any of the facts that came out in the original case.
This is where I am getting it from.
Which is exactly my point. If the man was/is a pedophile, and pedophiles cannot be cured, then in the 30 years since there would have been at least one more instance involving Pulanski. Good Grief - look at Michael Jackson and the hell he went through with his pedophelia. All the money in the world couldn't shut that stuff up. And Pulanski didn't have near the millions that MJ had.

I'm doubting that Pulanski is a pedophile. As I said, the facts have been twisted so much in the past 30 years that it's now just more drama so people can have some kind of justification for allowing the lizard brain to take over their higher reasoning functions.

Must be a slow news day

Most are discussing the current situation, which is the Swiss government's decision to not grant extradition. And, for whatever reason, the United States' decision to not hand over the documents for the Swiss court to make the decision.
We are discussing all aspects of Polanski and the case. Am I now only allowed to discuss Switzerland's decision because you brought it up and couple of other people are also discussing it? I am not taking the thread off topic so I can't seem to understand the reason for the above comment? :headache:
 
What thread have you been reading? Who said he was a model citizen? Did I must of miss the "Sex with a 13 year was a misunderstanding" poster.
:confused3

So am I mistaken that because we don't necessarily agree with your point of view we're not making "Sense"?

Um, this thread, and yourself? :sad2:

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around the thinking that some people are doing in stating that he should not be extradited. To me, that equates to him not deserving any punishment for being a pedophile and rapist. Fine, it might not be the smartest of money spent for the state of California, I will give you that, but to fight against extradition is (in my mind) excusing his behavior and allowing him to get away with it.

If this had been your daughter, you would be totally fine with him not being punished?

And yes, you are mistaken. You are more then welcome to have a different view them me. It just doesn't make sense in the fact that I would prefer someone be punished for their crime, not have it swept under the rug and forgotten about.
 
As I posted above, actress Charlotte Lewis would disagree with you personally.

Yes, I think Heidict was engaging in a bit of hyperbole, but I understand the comment as many of the "leave Polanski alone" folks appear to operate on the misinformation that this was an isolated incident that happened long, long, ago and while it was technically a statutory "crime", as Whoopi said it best "It wasn't like 'rape', rape", but instead just an indiscretion on Polanski's part when he found himself alone with a doe-eyed infatuated teenager.

Yes, there was a bit of exaggeration in my post and my mind jumping a few hurtles to what people were saying to get to where I was.

Ugh, I hate that "it wasn't rape, rape" comment. Rape is rape. I don't care if it's a stranger that is the aggressor or a friend or a husband. To demean it like that is sickening.

I'm sure if it was Whoopi's daughter she would have looked at it differently. Of course, she is in that whole Hollywood mindset and some of them think that it wasn't that big of a deal, so maybe she would have? :confused3
 
Um, this thread, and yourself? :sad2:

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around the thinking that some people are doing in stating that he should not be extradited. To me, that equates to him not deserving any punishment for being a pedophile and rapist. Fine, it might not be the smartest of money spent for the state of California, I will give you that, but to fight against extradition is (in my mind) excusing his behavior and allowing him to get away with it.

If this had been your daughter, you would be totally fine with him not being punished?And yes, you are mistaken. You are more then welcome to have a different view them me. It just doesn't make sense in the fact that I would prefer someone be punished for their crime, not have it swept under the rug and forgotten about.

Of course not.

If it were my daughter I would definitely want to pursue him but would I do it if it mean bankrupting my family and causing tons of distress to my daughter and the rest of my kids especially if my grown daughter asked me not to.

Probably not.
 
Of course not.

If it were my daughter I would definitely want to pursue him but would I do it if it mean bankrupting my family and causing tons of distress to my daughter and the rest of my kids especially if my grown daughter asked me not to.

Probably not.

You would allow a sexual criminal to go free? That would put other children at risk. Other parents would appreciate the fact that because you didn't pursue it, their child was molested. To me, you would be guilty of a crime by omission.
 
Of course not.

If it were my daughter I would definitely want to pursue him but would I do it if it mean bankrupting my family and causing tons of distress to my daughter and the rest of my kids especially if my grown daughter asked me not to.

Probably not.

Sometimes the right thing is not always the easiest or most pleasant. Anyway, it would not matter what your daughter thought about it because it would be out of her hands at that point. It is in the hands of the state and they get to decide to pursue or not.

I could not let a child molester go free. It would keep me awake at night. Worried that he was doing it to another child. That really is not the case here though. He already plead guilty, so the "reliving" part that the victim has to endure is done with. At least when it comes to police, prosecutors and court.
 
We are discussing all aspects of Polanski and the case. Am I now only allowed to discuss Switzerland's decision because you brought it up and couple of other people are also discussing it? I am not taking the thread off topic so I can't seem to understand the reason for the above comment? :headache:

I mentioned the Switzerland part because that is what I saw most people commenting about. I couldn't (and still can't) find anyone who was discussing whether or not the original crime was actually committed, or not. It just seemed you were makings statements about posters in reference to something that was never brought up in the thread.
 
Yeah, he did break the law, he admitted it. Remember that part? Are you not understanding this? Why don't you have a talk with your DH, the cop. Ask his views on criminals who admit their guilt then take off running before they are sentenced. Is he okay with just letting them go, never to be sentenced? Your response is the opposite of what I would expect from the wife of an LEO. :sad2: I'm sure he would be proud though. :thumbsup2

You post is condescending and insulting. You don't have any idea what people are feeling or what they have gone through in their life to bring them to that view. Your posts are so inflammatory that it seems like they are written for no other reason then to stir the pot. Why does this not surprise me? :headache:
Actually, your post to me here constitutes a personal attack on both me and my DH, who IS a PO and is sick and tired of the whole RP debate. His views and mine are exactly the same: it's been 30 years, the courts flubbed it, and the only reason it's brought up ad nauseum is for personal gain on the part of the DA and the media.

There is no "justice" to be served in this particular case. He hasn't been serial raping children for years (I'll address the 16 y/o below) and no one in the US needs to be "protected" from this 76 y/o man because he hasn't lived here for over 30 years. DH's first concern has always been the safety of the public - ALWAYS. Justice is the DA's and the Judge's jurisdiction.

Insult my views all you want. But when you question my DH's honor and integrity, a man who puts his life on the line every single day to protect the people he's taken an oath to serve, you've gone too far.

Polanski is the only one to blame for the victim having to relive this in the media after 30 years.
Wrong. The story is a nice standby on a slow news days because it hits the easily tripped hot buttons of those who are so quickly and easily led by their emotions instead of their logic.

So am I mistaken that because we don't necessarily agree with your point of view we're not making "Sense"?
Exactly, but not surprising. Those who are rending their clothing and demanding blood nearly always take this POV. If you don't agree with them, you are wrong and are not making sense. It's almost not worth it to have a conversation with them because, until they grow, they won't see that there are always several sides to a story and "my" side (whoever "my" is) isnt always correct.

As I posted above, actress Charlotte Lewis would disagree with you personally.
Congratulations. In the 30 year span of a 'pedophile's life, you found one 16 year old who says she was sexually abused by Polanski in 1985 or 1986 right before she starred in one of his films:

Acting career
Charlotte Lewis made her film debut as a teenager in the 1986 Roman Polanski film Pirates. She followed this with her role as the female lead in The Golden Child alongside Eddie Murphy that same year. In 1990 she appeared in the film Tripwire. In 1992 she starred opposite James Spader in Storyville. But despite these early successes, her career developed only intermittently, with her 1995 co-starring role in Men of War alongside Dolph Lundgren perhaps being her most memorable. In 2003 she starred in the film Hey DJ.

Lewis also appeared in a cover-featured pictorial in the July 1993 issue of Playboy magazine.

Accusations against Roman Polanski
On May 14, 2010, Charlotte Lewis and her Los Angeles-based attorney Gloria Allred accused director Roman Polanski of sexually abusing Lewis when she was 16 years old, prior to the two working together on Pirates. Prosecutors in Los Angeles confirmed that they interviewed Lewis in connection with the allegations. According to Lewis, the alleged incident occurred at Polanski's apartment in Paris.
Sorry, but one medocre actress (who, at 16, perhaps had sex with a director to get a part) does not a pedophile make. I still maintain that if Polanski was a pedophile, there'd be a plethora of people who were abused as children by this man coming forward to help support the DA's case.

I could not let a child molester go free. It would keep me awake at night. Worried that he was doing it to another child.
THIS is the crux of the matter, where many people's personal feelings are trumping the rights of the victim to live her life free of this kind of scandal. Polanski has not been proven to be a child molester and, so far, there have been no facts brought up to prove that has done it or has been doing it to any other child (the 16 y/o woman, who did a Playboy photo spread less than 10 years later, notwithstanding).

The whole thing smacks to me of a man who likes (or used to like) young women. While I cannot excuse the 13 y/o 30 years ago, I can say that a 16 y/o can easily give consent to enter into sexual relations. Many do every day. If she's now changing her mind, it's likely because even bad publicity is still free publicity.

Polanski is not a danger to society. The only thing served by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars that the State of California doesn't have to 'bring him to justice' is a DA's run for office and a public's need for blood. I guess we, as a people, haven't evolved from the whole guillotine, hanging or burning people at the stake in the public square as I'd hoped we'd have by now.
 
Couldn't the state of CA maybe drop all the extensive-legal maneuverings and maybe just ask the Feds to impound his passport and deport him if he ever came back to the US?

I don't know, there are so many other bad things happening in the state that also need attention (and $$$) but at the same time I think the man is scum. What to do? I don't know.

agnes!
 
While the debate of this case goes on, there are more pressing cases waiting to get started here in California.

Some of you may have heard of the case involving the junior high school student who shot his cross-dressing classmate(who had hit on him) to death in a classroom ambush? The defense team is trying for another 4 month delay.

The boyfriend who stabbed the mother's 7 or 8 year old son to death in the doorway of her apartment with a butcher knife? He is still years away from trial.

The couple stabbed in their beachfront home(children were present in the home) by a college dropout who might have done some work on the home. That house is up for foreclosure auction this month. Trial won't begin for at least 2 years.

These are local cases that are in the system and are costing tons of money. The case involving the junior high student will challenge the children's services employees to prove full procedures were followed. While cases like these await trial here in California, our court system is closing additional days due to budget cuts. Yes, money does come into play. Our state is broke! School days are being reduced, basic services for the poor are being eliminated, state employees are being threatened with earning minimum wage in order to balance the budget. Based upon what some posters are expressing, getting Polanski here for sentencing should take place regardless of cost. Sorry, numerous world courts are questioning the handling of this case. If the district attorney were not in an election, would he keep his name in the news with this case? All the US court or the California court had to do was provide the requested transcripts. Instead of providing the materials requested, the US and California demanded that the Swiss extradite Polanski.
The Swiss found that due to the information at hand, Polanski had satisfied the original sentence. While it is not up to us to decide if the sentence was adequate, the court charged with extraditing him to the US decided that the sentence had been served. Even though the Swiss did not decide to extradite, they did have Polanski under house arrest for 6-7 months while they investigated the request.
Interesting points but the bolded part particularly stood out to me. They decided that the original sentence was satisfied? Was he ever actually sentenced?

All I know is that he will likely never be back in the United States. All of the arguing in the world won't change that.
 
Couldn't the state of CA maybe drop all the extensive-legal maneuverings and maybe just ask the Feds to impound his passport and deport him if he ever came back to the US?

I don't know, there are so many other bad things happening in the state that also need attention (and $$$) but at the same time I think the man is scum. What to do? I don't know.

agnes!

Isn't he still an American citizen? How could he be deported? To where would he be deported? You are generally deported to the country of your citizenship.
 

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