This is very disturbing.

ntsammy5

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I was talking to a retail beer distributor this weekend and he told me that the price of hops is sky rocketing and that retail prices for beer could go up by almost 20% soon! Oh, the humanity! This is terrible.



This is a multi off topic post.

I also saw this on CNN. This is very disturbing too. It seems that those of us who camp regularly are in the minority:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/02/05/nature.interest.ap/index.html


WASHINGTON (AP) -- As people spend more time communing with their televisions and computers, the impact is not just on their health, researchers say. Less time spent outdoors means less contact with nature and, eventually, less interest in conservation and parks.


Visits to national parks peaked in 1987 and dropped 23 percent by 2006.

Camping, fishing and per capita visits to parks are all declining in a shift away from nature-based recreation, researchers report in Monday's online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Declining nature participation has crucial implications for current conservation efforts," wrote co-authors Oliver R. W. Pergams and Patricia A. Zaradic. "We think it probable that any major decline in the value placed on natural areas and experiences will greatly reduce the value people place on biodiversity conservation."

"The replacement of vigorous outdoor activities by sedentary, indoor videophilia has far-reaching consequences for physical and mental health, especially in children," Pergams said in a statement. "Videophilia has been shown to be a cause of obesity, lack of socialization, attention disorders and poor academic performance."

By studying visits to national and state parks and the issuance of hunting and fishing licenses the researchers documented declines of between 18 percent and 25 percent in various types of outdoor recreation.

The decline, found in both the United States and Japan, appears to have begun in the 1980s and 1990s, the period of rapid growth of video games, they said.

For example, fishing peaked in 1981 and had declined 25 percent by 2005, the researchers found. Visits to national parks peaked in 1987 and dropped 23 percent by 2006, while hiking on the Appalachian Trial peaked in 2000 and was down 18 percent by 2005.

Japan suffered similar declines, the researchers found, as visits to national parks there dropped by 18 percent between 1991 and 2005.

There was a small growth in backpacking, but that may reflect day trips by some people who previously were campers, wrote Pergams and Zaradic. Pergams is a visiting research assistant professor of biological sciences at the University of Illinois at Chicago, while Zaradic is a fellow with the Environmental Leadership Program, Delaware Valley, in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania.

While fishing declined, hunting held onto most of its market, they found.

"This may be related to various overfishing and pollution issues decreasing access to fish populations, contrasted with exploding deer populations," they said.
 
I highly recommend home brewing, although with the increase in hops prices the mixes will go up too. Still a good deal, though, if you can just wait the two weeks it takes to ferment and produce the bubbles.

Declines in camping are not good - could result in closing parks, campgrounds etc.
 
I highly recommend home brewing, although with the increase in hops prices the mixes will go up too. Still a good deal, though, if you can just wait the two weeks it takes to ferment and produce the bubbles.

Declines in camping are not good - could result in closing parks, campgrounds etc.


You know I have been thinking about trying homebrewing, do you do it? I love going to microbrewerys around here, and thought about trying it myself.

I love full bodied beers, without a lot of hops bitterness. Maybe I could become the next sam adams lol
 
This is just craziness to me! I guess it's where I live. Very outdoorsy here, plus my neighborhood backs up to a National Forest. It isn't a normal week if we aren't fishing, hiking, camping~or at least talking about it!

as for the beer~wow, that's going to take a chunk out of our budget! Now if the price of rum goes up we'll be in real trouble!
 

Thats what happens when you use food for fuel. While we have perfectly good dinosaurs waiting to be pumped out of the ground and used as energy, the new trend is to use corn and soy and other FOOD as fuel.
 
I thought that all the reports recently was that there had been an increase in camping?

Maybe that's just RV'ing in general, and not specifically camping.
 
You know I have been thinking about trying homebrewing, do you do it? I love going to microbrewerys around here, and thought about trying it myself.

I love full bodied beers, without a lot of hops bitterness. Maybe I could become the next sam adams lol

I'm a home brewer from way back. My grandfather brewed during prohibition and had hops growing up the side of his barn.
 
I'm a home brewer from way back. My grandfather brewed during prohibition and had hops growing up the side of his barn.

My daughter and her husband brew a lot. Some of it's quite good. Their cats are named Hops and Barley. I've gotta try it sometime.
 
My daughter and her husband brew a lot. Some of it's quite good. Their cats are named Hops and Barley. I've gotta try it sometime.

It's really pretty easy, especially if you use the precooked mixes. If you really get into it, it becomes pretty involved. Once you go home brew, though, you won't be happy with "store bought" beer.
 
As an aside, last year I had a little "accident" in the basement. A particularly potent batch blew up - beer all OVER the place. FWGirl wasn't too happy with me for a while.
 
On the plus side, you could always go downstairs and lick your ceiling if you run out of beer.
 
On the plus side, you could always go downstairs and lick your ceiling if you run out of beer.


:rotfl2::lmao::banana: Thanks, I needed a good laugh, its been a tough week, and you guys always make my day.

My grandmother used to make wine, she lived in england, she won all kinds of awards. I can remember drinking dandelion wine when I was a kid. So brewing my own beer just sounds kinda right to me.
Will look into it when we get back from the fort, and I get the sight going ok.

John
 
My ole granddad would roll over in his grave. Legal to brew beer but let him brew some corn liquor and they put him in jail. Life just ain't fair sometimes. It was for personal consumption. Just charged enough to cover his overhead. But them Mississippi courts just didn't see it his way.
 
I do not understand why this is OT. I was under the impression that camping and beer went hand in hand!
 
NOWHERE is that more obvious than on this forum :thumbsup2

THAT is why the State Parks aren't doing well!!! They don't allow you to have any beer! Not just open beer, not just beer in public places~but alcohol in general! I bet that if State Parks changed that rule, camping would be all the rage again! It's as simple as that! :thumbsup2 Next I'm going to balance the federal budget and inspire world peace.
 
the problem is, most people's idea of "roughing" it whilst camping is to be in a full hookup loop, with no cable or golf cart.
 















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